Being so problematic yesterday, I got investigated. The doc was also kind of clear, which makes this game with one mislynch to go an easy win. NO quicklynch, massclaim will win us this game.
How do you know you got investigated?
I don't want anyone to drop the hammer just yet. There's still a lot more to discuss.
Octu, can you expand on that statement please? Would you mind speculating on who you think the cop may have investigates yesterday and why?
I disagree that the town needs to wait until lylo to mass claim. Mass claim should happen when it is most optimal for town. Given yesterday's lynch, that time may be now.
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If we're not in lylo, and we have 2 power roles with 1 scum alive, then it's to our advantage to wait for claims. I'd rather not provide fodder for the scum team if we mislynch today.
@Baltar: also, don't think it hasn't escaped my attention that you asked me for a list of my suspects in twilight and one of my two neutrals mysteriously vanished. That sort of rubs me the wrong way.
hohum wrote:Charnel: it isn't time to mass claim. We're not in lylo yet.
Lylo is too late: you can't be wrong on the Pr's anymore:
now, with one mislynch, we have a few options:
One cop, one doc, one confirmed, one normal towny, and:
A a fakeclaiming scum as doc: lynch both docs for the win
B a fakeclaiming scum as cop: lynch both cops for the win
C a fakeclaiming scum as towny: lynch both townies for the win.
There is no way out for scum anymore.
one would hardly have joy without another's suffering, no?
hohum wrote:If we're not in lylo, and we have 2 power roles with 1 scum alive, then it's to our advantage to wait for claims. I'd rather not provide fodder for the scum team if we mislynch today.
then we are right for sure in lylo: whe know who fakeclaimed.
and it is going to be yabba.
one would hardly have joy without another's suffering, no?
hohum wrote:I want to hear from Octu. It's up to him whether we claim today or not.
Why are you refusing to cooperate with anyone's questioning at L-1? That's not a productive way to save yourself.
hohum, different timeszones? and my birthday. I should sleep now, and I am not going to reply yabba's pulled together attack, as a few points are already defended before, a few things are twisted, and some are simply pulled together to look scummy.
Hohum, want me to claim the game for you? As someone who already claimed, I would like to propose an order of claiming:
yabba, octupis, VP, hohum. Everybody happy, and in the end we have scum for certain. Can you see that hohum? We just get the result from the cop and this game is over.
one would hardly have joy without another's suffering, no?
hohum wrote:@Baltar: also, don't think it hasn't escaped my attention that you asked me for a list of my suspects in twilight and one of my two neutrals mysteriously vanished. That sort of rubs me the wrong way.
That is how you get razor burn.
Charnel wrote:now, with one mislynch, we have a few options:
One cop, one doc, one confirmed, one normal towny, and:
A a fakeclaiming scum as doc: lynch both docs for the win
B a fakeclaiming scum as cop: lynch both cops for the win
C a fakeclaiming scum as towny: lynch both townies for the win.
There is no way out for scum anymore.
Exactly! This essentially confirms Charnel is town. No scum would be for mass claim at this point as it results in them have a 0% chance to win. This setup is massively broken if both power roles survive N1.
hohum wrote:I want to hear from Octu. It's up to him whether we claim today or not.
I disagree. Your resistance to mass claim is highly suspicious. It absolutely needs to happen.
@hohum-if you are town, you need to unvote right now. I don't want a quickhammer on Charnel to take place before a claim happens. And if you refuse to do that, please explain how the town can possibly lose from a mass claim right now.
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I'm not tunneling, and I'm not misinterpreting what you said. You refused to answer a question because you can't handle the pressure votes, plain and simple.
Fine, you're right. We don't want anyone at L-1 right now.
Unvote
I am very much against a quickhammer at this juncture and anyone who does is certainly the last scum.
There is nothing to think about regarding the massclaim. As Charnel put it:
now, with one mislynch, we have a few options:
One cop, one doc, one confirmed, one normal towny, and:
A a fakeclaiming scum as doc: lynch both docs for the win
B a fakeclaiming scum as cop: lynch both cops for the win
C a fakeclaiming scum as towny: lynch both townies for the win.
There is no way out for scum anymore.
These are my exact thoughts. If you can point to an actual hole in that logic, I may consider against it. In the meantime, unvote. It is not going to hurt anything to do so for now.
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But you're not going to cram an opinion down my throat either. You're going to wait until Octu wakes up again, and then you're going to wait for me to sit down and game the scenarios out, and you're going to be happy to do so.
There is one flaw. If scum shifts to a vanillaclaim, we have THREE suspects, when a lynch of 2 is all we can afford.
Here's my advice.
ONLY Vanillas claim first.
>>>If 2 claim, powerroles claim at this point, and whichever powerrole is claimed twice, lynch both of them.
>>>If 3 people claim vanilla, the scum is in the bunch.
If the latter occurs, ONLY if the cop has an innocent on one of the three should he yap up. Otherwise, everyone else says the blunt statement "I am not a cop with any innocent on the three."
If the cop does claim and call an innocent, first off, wait for a counterclaim, and if not counterclaimed, lynch the two townies not named innocent.
If he is counterclaimed, we can lynch the real cop and the faker.
The reason for this is because if the cop has NO innocent, we should let him stay silent. If we lynch a townie, we gamble on the cop staying alive (ergo, the doc is killed instead), and if he does, he investigates one of the two remaining people in the Vanilla crowd, and it becomes obvious which is which.
