Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #48=-

Namttam (6) - SerialClergyman, Kmd4390, SpyreX, Xylthixlm, Kublai Khan, Wickedestjr
Xylthixlm (4) - roflcopter, Lowell, curiouskarmadog, Namttam
Hayker (1) - molestargazer
molestargazer (1) - Hayker

Not Voting (1) - Faraday

7 to lynch.

[Wickedestjr]

what is really scummy?

Oh wait, who said that first? I thought that Nam said it after Xyl. My bad.

@KK - Why did you vote for Nam if he made the comment first?

Even more of a reason to vote Xyl then.

Vote: Xyl

[molestargazer]

Apologies for my absense - I've been away for a few days and forgot to notify everyone about the V/LA.

Looks like I've got a lot to catch up on.

[Xylthixlm]

Nam talks about Mastin a lot. A real lot. A huge chunk of his posts.

He talks over, under, between and around Mastin.

But never, ever, ever TO Mastin.

Incredibly, incredibly scummy if true.

[Xylthixlm]

SpyreX's point against Namttam checks out.

[Hayker]

You do realize your at L-1 xyl, right? a claim maybe?(unless I'm dumnb and missed it)

[Xylthixlm]

I'm at L-2. Wickedestjr unvoted me, then revoted.

[Hayker]

Oh, indeed you are. I just looked at the 6 and put your name in it. my bad.

[SpyreX]

Of course its true Xyl because they're scum together seriously now lets not belabor this and get the party started.

[Namttam]

Still waiting on reasons from SC, Kmd, and KK. Also I didn't miss count, Kk did and i took his word for it.

I already responded to that.

You mean this?

Nam, gut and VC analysis.

I was hoping for a little bit more effort than this. Your VC paints other players in a worse light than me(including yourself). Could you elaborate on why you think I'm the best target from that?

[SpyreX]

Ohh hay hows it going? Not even gonna bother saying anything about what I said?

Good.

[Kmd4390]

Nam, you are listed as one of my suspects on the VC analysis. My gut picks you over the other suspects.

[Namttam]

Yes, in fact, they can. And do. However, there's one more big piece to this relationship that is key.

Nam talks about Mastin a lot. A real lot. A huge chunk of his posts.

He talks over, under, between and around Mastin.

But never, ever, ever TO Mastin.

Now, how does that work?

Thought I just focus on your big point here since it is what you feel is key. Why talk to Mastin? He is already talking more than anyone else in the game. Some one talking so much is sure to give plenty of information about their alignment without my help. Not to mention he was already being pushed from a number of sides. I'd rather focus on players who I was interested in. I was wrong about Mastin, doesn't mean I'm scum. For that matter, I don't believe scum would defend their partner so heavily.

[Xylthixlm]

For that matter, I don't believe scum would defend their partner so heavily.

WIFOM. If you don't think scum would defend their partner heavily, then you

would

defend your partner heavily, since you would think people wouldn't expect you to do that.

[Namttam]

True it is WIFOM, but WIFOM can have its uses. If you think I'm a player who would break convention as scum so be it.

Anyone on the fence between myself and Xyl, check out his voting record. Xyl has been hesitant to make any sort of case when voting. (Easiest way is to sort for vote in iso and look for the bold.) Voted for Hayker, Mastin, ckool, Mastin, Wickedestjr, Lowell and me.

[Xylthixlm]

Anyone who didn't understand why I made any of those votes please speak up

[Wickedestjr]

I think that Xyl and Nam need to claim, don't they? They are both at L-2.

[Kmd4390]

True it is WIFOM, but WIFOM can have its uses. If you think I'm a player who would break convention as scum so be it.

You are now awesome. I don't care what your alignment is, anyone who supports the use of WIFOM is awesome.

[Faraday]

back etc.

will read back.

[curiouskarmadog]

I think that Xyl and Nam need to claim, don't they? They are both at L-2.

hasnt nam already claimed?

wicked, I hope you understand that hay's claim has saved your ass.

[Kublai Khan]

Ok, got some time now, what was the question again?

Still waiting on reasons from SC, Kmd, and KK. Also I didn't miss count, Kk did and i took his word for it.

Ah, okay.. reasons.. Well, my notes mostly point to post 1483 back on Page 60. Specifically this part:

I have to back off my belief that KK is scum. Since he was attacked by both maf factions for his claim it is highly unlikely he is apart of either one. Since this conclusion did not jive with my previous one I reanalyzed my previous argument and found a flaw in it. I didn't account for the nature of the game of mafia. I don't think I've seen a role description for a miller that actually states that the miller will flip as town. Therefore, if the mod resent a miller pm to KK which did not contain this information, the mod was implying that either KK was just a regular miller or it was something only the mod got to know. These are alternate conclusion to my logic for why KK must be scum. Since I have alternate conclusions I cannot conclude KK must be scum which now jives which now jives with my conclusion that KK is town based upon him being attacked by both mafia factions. I made a mistake and I apologize.

Now this is on Day 3 and Namttam had voted for me for the majority of Days 1 & 2. If he had just posted the first two sentences of his explanation, I wouldn't have really noticed. But the whole detailing of him figuring out exactly what his error just seemed a little too contrived. Especially since VP Baltar had already outlined the flaw in his case in post 681 (which I unwittingly reiterated in post 689).

If you were a townie, I'd be more likely to believe that you honestly made a mistake if you hadn't pretended to "discover" the flaw in your case against me. Plus I don't know where you got the impression that all millers flip as scum. The mafiawiki definition of miller is pretty clear that "death miller" is a totally seperate role.

Also, SpyreX is totally right about you defending Mastin.

what is really scummy?

Oh wait, who said that first? I thought that Nam said it after Xyl. My bad.

@KK - Why did you vote for Nam if he made the comment first?

Even more of a reason to vote Xyl then.

Vote: Xyl

Because voting for the counter-wagon in an effort to save your own ass is always a scummy move. Especially if he's only piggy-backing on roflcopter's case. Xyl is scummy for copying the move, but Namttam did it first (and totally unironically at that). Plus I suspect Namttam more.

I think that Xyl and Nam need to claim, don't they? They are both at L-2.

hasnt nam already claimed?

wicked, I hope you understand that hay's claim has saved your ass.

::facepalm:: Yes, Namttam claimed Townie. And I totally agree with curiouskarmadog re Hayker saving Wickedestjr's ass.

[Hayker]

Ohh hay hows it going? Not even gonna bother saying anything about what I said?

Good.

Wait...this post was directed at me wasn't it?

Could I request that my name be shortened to hayk, rather than hay? I never reealize people are talking to me. Sorry.(goes to read posts)

[Hayker]

Vote Mastin

I'm not sure if I agree with the kill this person or that person depending on the flip. My gut read on rofl and Kmd is that they are both town and I think there are better persons to eliminate *cough* Lowell *cough*.

Wicked, do you think Hayker is town or scum as of this moment?

Honestly, I don't feel 100% comfterable with either of thw current wagons. That's not to say both aren't decent suspects(I'd be in favor of lynching Nam of the current two). I'd rather go after Lowell, who VP mentioned around the end of day 2.

I already think that the day 1 report was Masting, because of how Johnny led the Mastin lynch so hard.

I think VP was concerned about being night killed and put out his other investigation, to take another mafia down.

/vote:Lowell

[Hayker]

As for thoughts about what spyre has said. I disliked all the posts with perfect thoughts on what was going on. Seemed to be very...intentional. Your argument over voting name though, is very persuasive, and you got my thinking nam could very well be scum, but as I said before, Lowell seems like a far better target.

[SpyreX]

No hay that wasn't directed at you. That was at Nam. Unfortunate lapse in word choice on my part.

As for the WIFOM bit - I am all for USING it correctly. However, as a defense for scummy behavior not one bit.