Open 159 - Lovers Mafia - Game over before 823

[camn]

You are a

mafia lover

. You and your lover, XXXXX, want to enact your revenge on the townspeople who looked down on you. When one of you is lynched, you both die. Because the game is nightless, you have no kill. However, you are allowed to daytalk with your partner here: XXXXX.

You win when the mafia outnumber or equal the amount of town players

.

[SpyreX]

... Ok, then how the hell does that work with #7 which implies exactly the opposite?

[Incognito]

Camn: I did. Why are you accusing me of not doing so?

Kmd: I know because we're in another game together atm, and she posted in that game after the role PMs had already been sent out here. I still don't get what you and SpyreX are saying, btw. The scum win condition says that the mafia wins when the town's numbers equal the mafia's numbers as well. So a mislynch Day 2 is a town loss.

[camn]

Camn: I did. Why are you accusing me of not doing so?

Reflex.

[SpyreX]

I, apparently wrongly, assumed the by-line in the mafia PM is the standard "Equal or Greater" because at equal they can force a NL and then simply win.

However since the rules themselves say that isn't the case the third day should be active under exactly what KMD said.

[Kmd4390]

Mod, which of Rule 7 and the scum win condition is false?

Incog, fair enough.

[Incognito]

Can we start? I really wanna vote camn.

[Kmd4390]

Can we start? I really wanna vote camn.

[camn]

Can we start? I really wanna vote camn.

Im not feeling any romance between US either!

/sniff.

[Slicey]

Everyone has confirmed, day 1 can begin. Deadline for Day 1 is Friday, August 14, 11 PM EST.

KMD, I apologize, I copied the rules from my last game and forgot to edit that out. If 2 town and 2 mafia remain, mafia wins. I'll remove that now.

Also, the game is nightless, for those that didn't know.

[Incognito]

How about we skip the so-called "RVS" and start voting for scum?

Someone tell me what's wrong with the following:

All roles are out, please confirm by posting in the topic.

Hmm.

I am inclined to simply lynch CTD!
It is becoming clearer and clearer that he is it.

But given the uncertainty re: me.. I am open to whatever plan....

/confirm

Essentially, camn took AT LEAST a whole 2 hours and some change just to confirm within thread.

In response to my accusation, she mentions the following:

I had to dig through all the dumb forums to find the thread cuz there wasn't a link.

For a whole 2 hours she was searching for this forum topic? Why were Haylen, Korts, SpyreX, and I able to find it so quickly, and she wasn't?

She then follows that with the following:

Why didn't YOU?

A quick, OMGUSy accusation that she threw out there without even

bothering

to check her facts. And then as soon as Kmd begins questioning me about how I knew camn took a bit to confirm, she latches on to his argument almost instantaneously in her post 21.

vote: camn

Im not feeling any romance between US either!

/sniff.

Sorry, darling, but I didn't get the

lovers

role PM.

[Haylen]

I'm tired. An have to go to work. I hate work. And so will be grumpy when I return. Please don't give me loads to read. It'll annoy me a lot more. Also, I don't appreciate having to wake up at 6am. No fully awake enough to actually be aware of what I've written here, guess I'll find out later.

[Haylen]

camn, isn't fake-quoting PM's a modkillable offense?

[Haylen]

Vote: Nachos

[Incognito]

Haylen, why are you fishing for a mod-kill?

[Haylen]

Not fishing, just mentioning. I doubt it is modkillable because she didn't quote her own PM. I'm not really sure as I've never came across this before.

Spyrex, I don't care what you say, I'm meta-ing you.

[camn]

1st off..

I didn't fake anything. I used the first-post.

2nd..
Incog.. go ahead and lynch me.

If I am scum for not noticing I had a PM.. and MORE IMPORTANTLY.. if that is what suffices for "scumhunting"..... than this should be my first mislynch.

Go ahead.

but before you do...ask yourself:
what would be the scum motivation for me not /confirming???

at 6:56 pm (my time), a full 5 hours after I confirmed..... Slicey opened this topic.
So what would I have gained by the delay?
Planning time?
Was the daytalk thread even open?
what plans could I have made???

And bringing in this kind of out-of game shiv doesn't seem right to me.
As soon as I read my PM.. I found the thread and confirmed.
That should be clear by my answer to your question.
If I had known it took 3 hours.. I would have made something up.

But i figured that you meant 10 minutes.. so I answered honestly.

Plus.. OMGUS.. is it a scumtell? You seem to imply that it is.

[Korts]

And bringing in this kind of out-of game shiv doesn't seem right to me.

Why not? Because you got caught in it?

How can you confuse 10 minutes with 3 hours?

Also, is your accusation of SpyreX serious?

[Kmd4390]

Incog, (I have not read Camn's post at the time I write this), I agree with you on everything except the OMGUS. She seemed to be pretty obviously joking. Anyone who knows Camn could tell that was a joke. But you do have a point about taking 2 hours and then trying to cover it. Honestly though, I'd think if Camn were lying, she'd do a better job of it.. Let's see what she has to say.

Haylen, no. The role PM is public knowledge and not modkillable.

Vote Spy

for being scum with Haylen. Not joking.

[Haylen]

Vote Spy for being scum with Haylen. Not joking.

Meh.
May I ask what evidence you have?

Haylen, no. The role PM is public knowledge and not modkillable.

Gotcha. What if I quoted one and said it was mine though? Would that be modkillable? If not, why? If so, why?

I don't agree with OMGUS voting, it's a waste of time and a waste of a vote. Tally said it's not a scumtell though, in NG771 (which has finished).

[Korts]

Can we start? I really wanna vote camn.

Kmd, what happened to this? You apparently had similar reasons as Incog for voting camn, yet now that you had the chance, you voted SpyreX, and immediately tied him to Haylen--without presenting anything resembling reasoning.

Gotcha. What if I quoted one and said it was mine though? Would that be modkillable? If not, why? If so, why?

Not modkillable. In an open game, quoting a PM is basically the same as claiming the name of that role. And claiming is definitely a legitimate action.

[Incognito]

camn:

Why do you seem to be throwing in the towel already? Do you really think I'm

that

certain you're scum on page 2 of the thread and, even if I AM that certain, do you really think I'd just push for your lynch right here, right now without gaining more information first?

As for the scum motivation for you not confirming, I don't know. I'm trying to be creative here. Perhaps a you hypo-scum may have read your role PM, went to the QT thread, began discussing stuff with your partner, and completely forgot to confirm until your partner

*hint hint and nudge nudged*

you to do so. I'm not even

that

concerned about that. Your reaction to all of this is feeding me with plenty of info on its own.

And bringing in this kind of out-of game shiv doesn't seem right to me.

Really? Do you think what I'm doing here is in any way equivalent to what Ether did at the start of Mini 771 - Mafia in Ludd? In this post you seemed more than happy to lend support to her initial attack against me. What's the difference here? Or have your thoughts on this kind of stuff changed?

Plus.. OMGUS.. is it a scumtell? You seem to imply that it is.

If you're asking if I believe it's a

universal

scum-tell, then my answer would be I don't believe in universal scum-tells, and I try to look at each instance on its own in a subjective manner.

Your particular instance of OMGUS struck me as odd since it seemed extremely knee-jerkish to me -- you recklessly threw out an accusation towards me after apparently

agreeing with me

(I'm presuming about my /confirm post) when I made my /confirm post a minute after the mod opened the thread, and you didn't bother to check whether or not your accusation actually was based on something you could prove or not. So yeah.

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Separate post responding to other stuff as this one's getting long.

[Incognito]

I, too, would like a response to Kmd in reference to what Korts mentioned in his post 45. I noticed that also.

Kmd:

I think I know camn fairly well. I've played with her in quite a few games too, so I think I'm more than familiar with her sense of humor. However, I really don't think she was joking around there -- her follow-up post after you questioned me about her confirmation made me think she was outside of joking around.

Vote Spy

for being scum with Haylen. Not joking.

I'm curious about this vote not just because of the thing Korts pointed out in post 45, but also because I received a fairly decent pro-town vibe from SpyreX's opening posts, particularly his post 15 where he seemed to be genuinely working out a way to "break" the game for town, so I'm curious as to why you seem to be receiving an opposite vibe from him. In fact, you seemed to imply that you were following his frame of thought in your post 20. Why do you think he's scum and, more specifically, why do you think he's scum with Haylen?

[Incognito]

EBWOP: That should be "I, too, would like a response

from

Kmd" not "to".

[camn]

I was just mad that you were on my case from the get go.
I am over it, now!

How can you confuse 10 minutes with 3 hours?

It was both!
It was only 10 minutes between me OPENING my pm and me /confirming.... I guess it just took me 3 hours to actually open my pm!

What's the difference here? Or have your thoughts on this kind of stuff changed?

Maybe they have changed.
All I know is it felt so crummy, like saying I am scum for not checking my email enough!
It would be like me being scum because I only change my oil once a year or something! How can I fight it???

Maybe thats why I was so pessimistic. I felt like there was no way to have a reasonable debate about whether or not I am a flake! /sigh
Luckily.. this morning I remembered my

true calling

:

Bathe in the blood of my enemies.

FOS: Incog

Ether was scum when she tried that confirmation-timing attack on town-Incog in Mini 771.
It was a scum crap-case then, Incog KNEW that it was crap then, and thus it must be crap now.
In fact, his play here is TOTALLY reminding me of Ether in 771.. even before he brought it up....

preview edit:
Asking you why you delayed was totally a joke!
At that time I wasn't even aware that I had delayed... cuz to ME, I opened the PM and went straight to confirm... so I figured you couldn't have been THAT much faster than me! I never looked at the times at all!
It like when someone says something.. and I immediately say the same thing about their mom.