Mafia 93 - A Roccisi Summer - Over!

[ekiM]

Seraphim, did you take a shot last night? If so at whom?

Kison, result?

[TDC]

Oops, I just realized I forgot a death.

Lowell is dead as well.

[charter]

vote ekim

Pretty much the only person left since I don't think Lowell is scum.

[ekiM]

Public information:

Living player claims:

[mrow]Player[col]Role[col]Neighborhood[col]Cop result? ekiM[col]-[col]-[col]- populartajo[col]Backup Cop[col]-[col]Not guilty Seraphim[col]NK Immune[col]Lower Roccisi (solo vigilante)[col]- HowardRoark[col]-[col]-[col]Not guilty charter[col]-[col]Seaside (no ability)[col]- Kison[col]Cop[col]-[col]-

All players (color = death confirms alignment, white = claims)

[mrow]Player[col]Alignment[col]Individual Power[col]Group[col]Group powers[col]Cop result? ThAdmiral[col]Italian[col]Doctor[col]Italy[col]?[col]- Tubby[col]Town[col]-[col]Mason[col]Bodyguard[col]Not guilty darkdude[col]Town[col]-[col]-[col]-[col]- roflcopter[col]Town[col]-[col]Mason[col]Bodyguard[col]- ekiM[col]?[col]-[col]-[col]-[col]- iam[col]Russian[col]1-shot vig[col]Russia[col]?[col]- alvinz[col]Russian[col]Multitasker[col]Russia,Upper[col]?,?[col]Guilty skitzer[col]Town[col]Comp Miller Vig[col]-[col]-[col]Guilty populartajo[col]?[col]-[col]-[col]-[col]Not guilty Seraphim[col]?[col]NK-immune[col]Lower[col]Solo vig[col]- Mufasa[col]Town[col]Protective JoAT[col]-[col]-[col]- Korts[col]Town[col]Investigative JoAT[col]-[col]-[col]- inHim[col]Italian[col]Godfather[col]Italy,Upper[col]?,?[col]- X[col]SK[col]Vig,Godfather,2*BP[col]Lower[col]Solo vig[col]- Lowell/Mix[col]Town[col]-[col]Seaside[col]-[col]- Dust[col]Town[col]-[col]-[col]-[col]- HowardRoark[col]?[col]-[col]-[col]-[col]Not guilty Starbuck[col]Town[col]-[col]-[col]-[col]- charter[col]?[col]-[col]Seaside[col]-[col]- Spyrex[col]Town[col]-[col]-[col]-[col]- Kison/Caboose[col]?[col]Cop[col]-[col]-[col]- Axelrod[col]Town[col]-[col]-[col]-[col]- OGB[col]Russian[col]1-shot vig[col]Russia[col]?[col]-

[ekiM]

Kison, result?

Not surprised to see X was scum, but him being SK means there was an extra NK attempt each night. Changes things up a bit, more later.

[charter]

Oh, now that Lowell is confirmed town, I'm even more sure with my vote.

Seraphim, who did you kill?

[Lowell]

Oops, I just realized I forgot a death.

Lowell is dead as well.

Dude... that's low.

[populartajo]

Waiting for Kisons result.

[Seraphim]

I killed Lowell. I still was pretty sure that charter was more likely to be town and I wasn't 100% of my read of ekiM. Lowell was probably going to be today's lynch anyway.

I was completely surprised by the X flip. I was sorta expecting scum but definitely not SK. Oh well.

Given that we have six players left and only one probable killing role left, I am considering a no lynch today to narrow down the suspect pool.

[charter]

I don't know about no lynching. I think we need to wait for Kison first, because with three results, then we can pretty much kill everyone that doesn't have a not guilty.

[Seraphim]

I don't know about no lynching. I think we need to wait for Kison first, because with three results, then we can pretty much kill everyone that doesn't have a not guilty.

I suppose we wait and hope that he didn't investigate Lowell.

[Kison]

I investigated Lowell and got an innocent.

I still think Seraphim is likely to be town, given what X said about only taking one bullet, and so late in the game. If X never told Seraphim about being bulletproof, then I think Seraphim, as scum, would have shot him much sooner.

Did anyone get something from Korts? I didn't.

[populartajo]

So.

This is between Mike and Kison.

charter, seraph, howard and me are all very likely town.

I dont really want to lynch Mike but maybe its the best play today, we let Kison investigate someone of charter and serpah and lynch accordingly.

Anyone has a better idea?

[Seraphim]

We

could

no-lynch. I don't want four people in LYOL tomorrow.

[populartajo]

Yeah, that too.

There is something that still bugs me intensely.

Why the hell do scum think that its a good idea to let Kison alive and keep confirming people?

[Seraphim]

Yeah, that too.

There is something that still bugs me intensely.

Why the hell do scum think that its a good idea to let Kison alive and keep confirming people?

I know which is why I want to no-lynch. I'm thinking that we should let Kison get one more investigation, if he's still alive tomorrow.

Seraphim
Kison
Tajo
HR
ekiM
charter

If we no-lynch, the scum will kill someone who is not me. Feel free to investigate me, BTW, to set yourself at rest. That leaves five players and we can take it from there. We are dealing with at least two confirmed town besides myself tomorrow...whoever Kison investigates and one of HR/tajo or both of them if they kill Kison or his investigation target. That leaves two of out those five unconfirmed.

Process of elimination.

Vote: No Lynch

[charter]

I don't know about a no lynch today. I'd rather lynch today and then no lynch tomorrow if we need to. I'm going to go back and reread and look at ekim in particular.

[charter]

Actually, I'm extremely certain that lynching today is the right idea if you don't have to make a kill each night, do you Seraphim?

If you do, then that changes things.

[Seraphim]

Actually, I'm extremely certain that lynching today is the right idea if you don't have to make a kill each night, do you Seraphim?

If you do, then that changes things.

No, it's one-shot.

I want to hear from ekiM, as the last unconfirmed vanilla. The lynch is between Kison, ekiM, and charter...everyone else is either me or confirmed by Kison already.

If we lynch ekiM today and he flips town, it's assumed that the remaining scum will NOT kill the cop, because the remainder of players will be:

me
HR
tajo
charter...and it's obvious who the last scum is.

Exact same thing if we lynch charter and the cop is killed. Same set-up, it's obviously ekiM.

So it's clear that if the remaining scum is ekiM/charter, they will not kill the cop today. They can't do that without screwing themselves over at this point.

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So, let's assume that the opening scenario is the same. ekiM/charter is lynched, but then one of HR/tajo is slain. This leaves:

Me
Kison
HR or tajo
ekiM or charter

I have a sneaking suspicion that Kison may be scum and will get a guilty result on whoever of ekiM/charter that we do not kill today or perhaps even me if he is gutsy scum.

In other words, no matter what happens today or tonight, Kison will get a guilty result if still alive tomorrow unless he investigates me. I trust that Kison is a cop...we should decide if we think the Italians could fit a cop into their set-up for game balance. If we think the Italians could have a cop, then we lynch Kison. If this is impossible, we lynch ekiM today follwed by charter tomorrow.

Basically, it's one of those two. We should decide today who is more likely to be scum.

[Seraphim]

By one of those two, I mean charter/ekiM or Kison. We lynch those two or we lynch Kison. If Kison isn't scum and we lynch him...well, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

[Seraphim]

Actually, scratch that. I'm taking a look at the set-up...take a look at the neighborhoods.

Upper:
Russian Scum
Italian Scum

Lower:
Town
Serial Killer

Seaside:
Town
charter

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Personally, I don't see why there wouldn't be a double town neighborhood. Lowell was fairly sure charter was town. I say give him the benefit of a doubt...let's lynch ekiM.

Also, that reminds me...anyone receive anything from Korts?

[HowardRoark]

I dont see 4 Italians- 4 Russians - 1 Sk against our dead and claimed roles.

Definitely not 4 Russians as we have 3 dead and are lacking some recent NKs for 4. However, I still believe that 4 Italians with only 2 dead is unlikely but possible. With 6 alive and a possible 2:2 tomorrow that has me contemplating the no lynch option.

I killed Lowell.

I investigated Lowell

These actions should have probably been coordinated before night began. The part that bothers me is in between these previous two quotes . . .

I suppose we wait and hope that he didn't investigate Lowell.

You gave scum(?)Kison an out if he hadn't thought of this.

I don't know about a no lynch today. I'd rather lynch today and then no lynch tomorrow if we need to.

If there are two Italians left, a mislynch today would result in a loss tomorrow.

Sadly, I don't see roflcopter breadcrumbing his results from Korts giving him a watcher ability to use N1. Rereading him in iso on D2 he was big on Seraphim possibly being Italian scum and questioning Cabose's (now Kison's) alignment. There was also a bit of charter questioning.

I am currently working through the different scenarios considering the 1 or 2 scum left, even number no lunch strategy, and possible Kison scum variables. I'll post my conclusions once that is complete. It's going to take some time, so don't hold your breath . . . but hopefully completed by tomorrow evening.

[populartajo]

So the last scum is between Mike/charter and Kison. Interesting to notice is that my analysis concludes that charter and ekim dont make sense as Italians for relations with flipped Admiral and inhim, so my gut tells me that Kison is scum but I guess optymal play is to let him alive for one more investigation in case he is indeed the cop and one of charter/ekim tricked me well.

Also why is everyone asking if Korts gave amnesiac to someone?. He explictely said yesterday that he used his amnesiac with Kison.

[Seraphim]

Here's an idea: Let's no-lynch today.

Kison investigates one of ekiM/charter.

If Kison is killed, we lynch ekiM and then charter(or vice-versa).

If one of the confirmeds are killed, we lynch whoever Kison didn't investigate and then Kison if the game isn't over right there.

[Kison]

No-lynching is the optimal move

unless

there is reason to believe Seraphim is scum. Since I think he is least likely to be scum among those who have yet to be investigated, I think I will roll with that idea. Populartajo, Korts still had both one amnesiac watcher and one tracker inventor left as of yesterday - go check his roleclaim post. I'm not sure what to make of the fact that no-one has claimed to have gotten anything.