The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Lamont: give me the benefit of the doubt for one day. Lynch zaz and investigate me tonight.

I apologize for being behind the pace of this game, I'm at work.

I'm sorry but Zaze has earned the benefit of the doubt with her hard work at scum hunting; I'm just very sick and tired of her obsession with role PM's & power roles. I think it is likely she is scum engaging in rolefishing while pretending to believe there are no PR's AND advocating the lynch of a town PR. But again, she has earned the benefit of the doubt.

What is the matter with this town? Does everyone have "crap-o-claim" disease or something??

Your self-contradicton combined with an unsupportable claim makes you the optymal town lynch here and Zaze the optymal night peek.

[dramonic]

optimal Lamont, optimal

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL. I know but that's how Tajo spells it.

[Amished]

@Zaz: Because I believe a creature of pure will (which is what I am) and a spirit are two different things. Yes, it's a fine line to put somebody on one side or another, but that's what I'm thinking. For the rest of 2970, it just looks like you trying to rules lawyer by saying a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't a square. I think the mod has shown a willingness to use similar terms (and in the case of my name in my role PM, wrong terms) so an interchanging of innocent/human/whatever else Stepho got is on KoC and not due to Stepho fake claiming.

BTW: How does Naomi potentially flipping scum tie to me? If she's scum, of course stepho is, but I don't have an investigation. Because they were scum doesn't have a bearing on my own. I see that as a feeble attempt to chain lynches without the proper logic to back it up (like hohum was talking about steph -> Naomi, but even then we'd have to look at it from a normal scumhunting perspective as Stepho could have hypothetically been telling the truth on Naomi's role.

[Amished]

EBWOP: Hit submit instead of preview >.<

Anyways:

@Zaz: Why do you feel it relevant to divulge how many protections I have in a night?

@Set: I don't know exactly when. When I do, I'll say it in thread, or maybe not as I still can PM KoC.

@Lamont: Yes, the claim is unconfirmed. However, since you openly stated that you think Zaz is scum (which I agree with), we can lynch her, keep an unsupported claim til tomorrow with an investigation on Setael, then in an attempt to confirm all of Steph's investigations we can lynch him and see where Set stands at that point. Isn't that a better course of action than to lynch somebody that might have a key to a win condition?

[populartajo]

V/LA until weekend. Job is being shitty these days.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Zaz: Why do you feel it relevant to divulge how many protections I have in a night?

@Lamont: Yes, the claim is unconfirmed. However, since you openly stated that you think Zaz is scum (which I agree with), we can lynch her, keep an unsupported claim til tomorrow with an investigation on Setael, then in an attempt to confirm all of Steph's investigations we can lynch him and see where Set stands at that point. Isn't that a better course of action than to lynch somebody that might have a key to a win condition?

1) It was SETAEL that asked about the number of your protections.
2) I don't think it would be right to lynch Zazier without an investigation
3) You ACTUALLY buy Set's claim that SHE has to live when we

already

saw the matches live on after a player death?? You guys are really letting her psych the town out here. She is obviously an experienced gambit player; she knew there would be weak spined people that couldn't stomach a fake "town wincon" claim. She's not fooling me though. I'm calling her bluff. I just need 3 more people to join me.

[ZazieR]

In response to the first paragraph of post 3003:

For more flavor (while trying to avoid being modkilled): From going through the games, I always thought of my character as the gatekeeper, and I'm pretty sure they referred to me as that at one time. In my PM it does say Caretaker, but does say I'm Jonathan. I'm a prisoner of fate, yadda yadda yadda;

delivered myself the blade to kill myself to become a spirit

both directed by fate and to ensure that fate continues the way it's supposed to. Say's that because of killing myself I've become almost as powerful as the mastermind to open the bridge between worlds (Chzo). Goes into explanation how that the prisoner of fate translates into me being a doctor and saving people that need to be saved and all.

As for the rest of the first paragraph, you used it to try and confirm Stepho. Now that I have proved that this isn''t the case, it becomes invalid. Which isn''t the case. Why would the mod state when Innocents win if there are town powerroles? And why would he use town/innocents in rule 13 if there are town pwerroles.
He wouldn''t. Which shows there aren''t any to me.

BTW: How does Naomi potentially flipping scum tie to me? If she's scum, of course stepho is, but I don't have an investigation. Because they were scum doesn't have a bearing on my own. I see that as a feeble attempt to chain lynches without the proper logic to back it up (like hohum was talking about steph -> Naomi, but even then we'd have to look at it from a normal scumhunting perspective as Stepho could have hypothetically been telling the truth on Naomi's role.

See rules 3 and 13. It says Innocents. If one of the three is lying, all of you are.

@Zaz: Why do you feel it relevant to divulge how many protections I have in a night?

Not in

a

night. I asked for how many ''protections'' you used N1. For the information it will give.

@Lamont: Yes, the claim is unconfirmed. However, since you openly stated that you think Zaz is scum (which I agree with), we can lynch her, keep an unsupported claim til tomorrow with an investigation on Setael, then in an attempt to confirm all of Steph's investigations we can lynch him and see where Set stands at that point. Isn't that a better course of action than to lynch somebody that might have a key to a win condition?

Bad posting. Why lynch Stepho when a Naomi lynch will confirm Stepho if she turns up town?

[Pyromaniac]

Naomi could be scum and amished be town.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm of the opinion that Stephoscope and Setael are the same alignment.

[Lamont_Cranston]

And how about the opinion that Setael is a better fake-claimer than you are?

[Lamont_Cranston]

And btw Zwet, do you have the doll?

[zwetschenwasser]

And how about the opinion that Setael is a better fake-claimer than you are?

when did I fakeclaim?
I don't have the doll.

[Lamont_Cranston]

And how about the opinion that Setael is a better fake-claimer than you are?

when did I fakeclaim?

I was talking about your meta...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok so lets make a list of people that haven't claimed about the doll:

Rocka, Naomi, Sironi

[zwetschenwasser]

Sironigous seems to have disappeared from the site.

[ZazieR]

He requested a 2 week V/LA, which was announced by the mod on the 7th of July. So he should be back any time soon.

[zwetschenwasser]

Then...setael and steph are both scum.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok. Interesting theory. Not saying I believe it for one second, but evidence....??

[zwetschenwasser]

steph is putting too much emphasis on clearing setael by his own investigation and nothing about actual towniness, and he's assuming that we're all forced to believe him.

[hohum]

If we let him investigate and then lynch him, nothing is forced. It's simply confirmed at that point.

[zwetschenwasser]

yes.

[Lamont_Cranston]

steph is putting too much emphasis on clearing setael by his own investigation and nothing about actual towniness, and he's assuming that we're all forced to believe him.

I don't like this comment at all. I think this makes a stronger case that Set is scum & you too. How about that?

[Setael]

@Lamont - what makes you think I'm a good fake claimer? I don't think there is evidence for that in my meta actually.

[Stephoscope]

steph is putting too much emphasis on clearing setael by his own investigation and nothing about actual towniness, and he's assuming that we're all forced to believe him.

If I have my way, I'll investigate someone ELSE tonight, because I think there are others more likely to be scum. But if everyone wants Setael investigated, I will do so. The absolute worst scenario, in my opinion, is to lynch Setael right now.