Mafia 95 - Quick & Dirty - Game Over!

[Xylthixlm]

No.

Really? Because I can read that as you hinting that you're Bronx Mafia and if the town lynches you we lose.

No. That is my only reason that laz could possible withhold a guilty. Also, inhim was a town power role that was probably not going to get protection. So they would have NKed to get us to suspect reckoner.

cateraction, what do you think of this post?

[ConsonantM]

Re-read gems:

Vote Count: 6 to lynch

Xylthixlm: 4 (xRECKONERx, Phoebus, inHimshallibe, cateraction)

Xyl, u were 2 votes from a lynch. Y not mention having a strong distaste 4 bing lynched as town back then?
U mention it now, at L-1, but not at L-2...

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Ah, *censored*. Deadline's tomorrow. Today, by most time.

Something seriously rubs me the wrong way about Xyl's posts, but I dont want 2 ignore the Pyro-Cat interaction.

Here goes everything...

Vote: Pyromaniac

.

Now, either Sam gets to hammer Pyro or Xyl,
Or Cateraction switches votes 2 Pyro.

[Xylthixlm]

ConsonantM, I don't think it even crossed my mind that I might actually be lynched there.

[cateraction]

Hell, I really just want this game to be over.

Vote: Pyro

[Pyromaniac]

Smooth town. GG Brooklyn mafia.

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote Count:

3 to lynch

Pyromaniac: 3 (Xylthixlm, ConsonantM, cateraction)
Xylthixlm: 1 (Pyromaniac)

Not Voting: 5 (scotmany12)

Pyromaniac claims to be a brother in arms to Kise in the NYPD, and points an accusatory finger at Xylthixlm. When asked to produce proper identification, however, he comes up a little short.

Pyromaniac -

Bronx Mafia Commuter

- Lynched Day Five

It is now Night Five. Night actions due in 48 hours.

[OhGodMyLife]

This morning's paper features a front page obituary for scotmany12. It speaks highly of his decorated career with the Army Rangers, serving in Afghanistan. He survived hell on Earth in the Middle East only to be gunned down last night on the streets of Manhattan.

scotmany12 -

Town 1-Shot Vigilante

- Killed Night Five

It is now Day Six. With 3 alive it takes 2 votes to lynch. Deadline is July 27th and 10 PM Eastern.

[Xylthixlm]

I take it you aren't both scum, then.

[cateraction]

I am fairly sure that xylth is scum.

[Xylthixlm]

cateraction, you had exactly

zero

interaction with Rhinox days one and two. In fact, your only mention of him all game was one post at the beginning of day 3. Why?

I see some Rhinox/ConsonantM interaction here.

[Xylthixlm]

Also zero lowell interaction.

[Xylthixlm]

The fact that Rhinox came up

Brooklyn

Mafia rather than just plain Mafia strongly suggests that there are two mafias.

Anyone know what an Encryptor is?

xRECKONERx, who did you block last night?

This post by inHim may be important:

I've evaluated the Kise wagon.

Pretty sure Xyl is scum. Phoebus looking bad, too.

Cater is a GG.

BGs, in the order I'd lynch them

Xyl
lazarusmoth
Phoebus
Rhinox
ConsonantM

Obviously I don't think all 5 are scum, but if there are 4 scum in this game, I'd bet a lot that these guys are it. sam gets a pass on gut.

If there are only 3 scum, sam may go back on the list.

unvote
vote: Xylthixlm

We know Rhinox was scum, and presumably from the group that killed inHim. He was on inHim's list. It seems likely his scumbuddy was also on the list.

Rhinox's death makes xRECKONERx look a little bit worse. It's possible reck is on the other scumteam and killed Rhinox. Otherwise I'd look for someone who likes to kill lurkers as scum...

PREVIEW EDIT: inHim's coming up scum shows that Kise was blocked. There were three kills night 1, so for Dizzy to be scum there would need to be three scumteams (two mafias + SK?) or an unclaimed vig.

Hmm, saw this post while rereading. That list is interesting...

Xyl -

town

lazarusmoth -

bronx scum

Phoebus -

bronx scum

Rhinox -

brooklyn scum

ConsonantM - ???

I need a closer look at ConsonantM. If inHim got 4/5 (or 5/6, if you include sam.samhorn) I'm going to be totally amazed.

[ConsonantM]

I could say the same to you. I had been expecting the game to be over. With a third Bronx, u'd think that the Brooklyn also had 3, making u and Cateraction scum, 'specially with Cateraction's switch in choices of bandwagons.

cateraction, you had exactly zero interaction with Rhinox days one and two. In fact, your only mention of him all game was one post at the beginning of day 3. Why?

i will have 2 reread and see ur interaction with Rhinox/Lowell 4 comparison 2 this statement.

I need a closer look at ConsonantM.

Funny, how u've practically been ignoring me all game, yet suddenly have this suspicion of me. This is exactly the attitude i expect from the last scum--
Leave some1 who has received very little attention the whole game alive...
And then out of the blu, push a hard case against them.

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Step 1:

Re-do the votecount analysis, updated with alignments.

Step 2: Look at Rhinox's interactions.

Step 3: Look at Cateraction's/Xyl's interactions with Rhinox.

Step 4: Look at both players' overall pictures throughout the game, to see possible scumslips/overall voice the entire game.

Step 5: Reach conclusions from it.

[ConsonantM]

Green-->Confirmed Town.
Red-->Brooklyn.
Purple-->Bronx.

Same as b4.

Vote Count: 8 to lynch

Lamont_Cranston: 2 (BloodCovenent, xRECKONERx)

Xylthixlm: 2 (

DizzyIzzyB13

,

sam.samhorn

)

Papa Zito

: 2 (Xylthixlm,

inHimshallibe

)
ConsonantM: 1 (

Lamont_Cranston

)

Kise: 1 (Papa Zito)

Phoebus

: 1 (

Kise

)

Not Voting: 5 (ConsonantM,

Phoebus, lazarusmoth

, cateraction,

Lowell

)

Vote Count: 8 to lynch

Kise: 3 (Papa Zito, Lamont_Cranston, xRECKONERx)

Lamont_Cranston: 2 (BloodCovenent, Kise)

Xylthixlm: 2 (

DizzyIzzyB13

,

sam.samhorn

)

Papa Zito

: 2 (Xylthixlm,

inHimshallibe

)

inHimshallibe

: 1 (ConsonantM)

Not Voting: 4 (

Phoebus, lazarusmoth

, cateraction,

Lowell

)

Vote Count: 8 to lynch

Lamont_Cranston: 3 (BloodCovenent, Kise

, Xylthixlm)

Kise: 2 (Papa Zito, xRECKONERx)

Xylthixlm: 2 (

DizzyIzzyB13

,

sam.samhorn

)

Papa Zito: 1 (inHimshallibe)

inHimshallibe

: 1 (ConsonantM)

xRECKONERx

: 1 (

lazarusmoth

)

sam.samhorn

: 1 (Lamont_Cranston[/color])

Not Voting: 2 (

Phoebus

, cateraction,

Lowell

)

Vote Count: 8 to lynch

Kise: 6 (Papa Zito, xRECKONERx, inHimshallibe

, Xylthixlm,

Lamont_Cranston, BloodCovenent

)
Xylthixlm: 2 (

DizzyIzzyB13

,

sam.samhorn

)

Lamont_Cranston: 1 (Kise)

inHimshallibe

: 1 (ConsonantM)

xRECKONERx

: 1 (

lazarusmoth

)

Not Voting: 3 (

Phoebus

, cateraction,

Lowell

)

Vote Count: 8 to lynch

Kise: 4 (inHimshallibe

, Xylthixlm,

Lamont_Cranston, BloodCovenent

)
Xylthixlm: 3 (

DizzyIzzyB13

,

sam.samhorn

,

xRECKONERx

)

Lamont_Cranston: 1 (Kise)

inHimshallibe

: 1 (ConsonantM)

xRECKONERx

: 1 (

lazarusmoth

)

BloodCovenent

: 1 (cateraction)
ConsonantM: 1 (

Papa Zito

)

Not Voting: 2 (

Phoebus

,

Lowell

)

Vote Count: 8 to lynch

Kise: 6 (inHimshallibe, Lamont_Cranston, BloodCovenent,

Phoebus

,

DizzyIzzyB13, Kise

)
Xylthixlm: 2 (

sam.samhorn

,

xRECKONERx

)

inHimshallibe

: 1 (ConsonantM)

xRECKONERx

: 1 (

lazarusmoth

)

BloodCovenent

: 1 (cateraction)

Not Voting: 4 (

Lowell

,

Kise, Papa Zito

, Xylthixlm)

Vote Count: 8 to lynch

Kise: 6 (inHimshallibe, Lamont_Cranston, BloodCovenent,

Phoebus

,

DizzyIzzyB13, Kise

)
Xylthixlm: 2 (

sam.samhorn

,

xRECKONERx

)

inHimshallibe

: 1 (ConsonantM)

xRECKONERx

: 1 (

lazarusmoth

)

BloodCovenent

: 1 (cateraction)

lazarusmoth

: 1 (

Papa Zito

)

Not Voting: 3 (

Lowell

,

Kise

, Xylthixlm)

Vote Count: 8 to lynch

Kise: 6 (inHimshallibe, Lamont_Cranston, BloodCovenent

,

Phoebus

,

DizzyIzzyB13, Kise

)
Xylthixlm: 2 (

sam.samhorn

,

xRECKONERx

)

inHimshallibe

: 1 (ConsonantM)

xRECKONERx

: 1 (

lazarusmoth

)

BloodCovenent

: 1 (cateraction)

lazarusmoth

: 1 (

Papa Zito

)

Not Voting: 3 (

Rhinox

,

Kise

, Xylthixlm)

Vote Count: 8 to lynch

Kise: 8 (inHimshallibe, Lamont_Cranston, BloodCovenent[/color],

Phoebus

, DizzyIzzyB13, Kise[/color],

lazarusmoth

, xRECKONERx[/color])
Xylthixlm: 1 (

sam.samhorn

)
inHimshallibe[/color]: 1 (ConsonantM)
BloodCovenen[/color]t: 1 (cateraction)

lazarusmoth

: 1 (Papa Zito[/color])

Not Voting: 2 (

Rhinox

, Xylthixlm)

The results of that night were:

Papa Zito - Town 1-Shot Vigilante - Killed Night One
BloodCovenent - Town Vanilla - Killed Night One
Lamont_Cranston - Town Vanilla - Killed Night One

Now, we know that Reck blocked Zito, so Zito didn't shoot. We also know that Dizzy shot Lamont.

Leaving BC and Papa Zito as the scum kills. I believe that Zito was killed by the Bronx Mafia--he was going fairly decently hard against many of their members, if I recall correctly. He also was voting Laz at the end of the day, and was--while slightly scummy--rather pro-town in the eyes of most. Perfect kill for them.

Leaving the Brooklyn Mafia having shot BC--Why?

There had to be a reason; I'll have to look into BC's posts, now, as well.

[ConsonantM]

Lamont_Cranston: 3 (BloodCovenent, Kise, Xylthixlm)

Kise: 6 (Papa Zito, xRECKONERx, inHimshallibe, Xylthixlm, Lamont_Cranston, BloodCovenent)

Interesting. Xyl was on both main bandwagons day one. So was BC, tho.

BloodCovenent: 1 (cateraction)

This would seem to indicate that Cateraction wouldnt kill BC--y kill the person ur voting 4? Doesnt make much tactical sense; scum want 2 vote 4 scummy pro-town players. If Cateraction thought BC was scummy, then BC would b some1 2 keep alive in order 2 lynch them.

Vote Count: 8 to lynch

Kise: 8 (inHimshallibe, Lamont_Cranston, BloodCovenent

,

Phoebus

,

DizzyIzzyB13, Kise

,

lazarusmoth

,

xRECKONERx

)
Xylthixlm: 1 (

sam.samhorn

)

inHimshallibe

: 1 (ConsonantM)

BloodCovenent

: 1 (cateraction)

lazarusmoth

: 1 (

Papa Zito

)

Not Voting: 2 (

Rhinox

, Xylthixlm)

Neway, I've said it b4--

The results of this vote count imply that Zito was shot by the Bronx. Xyl and Rhinox (who is now proven Brooklyn) were both not voting, and Xyl said it was 2 allow Rhinox 2 catch up.

[ConsonantM]

No, i see a link as well with Cater-Kise.

Hmm, this alone could counter the fact that Cateraction was voting BC. Once 1 target flips town, generally, a person will go after their second suspect--BC's second was Cat.
Add 2 that, Cat was also voting 4 BC.

I think it would be a safe bet to put pressure on Cater and Reck.

Here is why i would vote you as well.
1. Post 88, you didn't like the claim, yet you wouldn't vote. you "weren't ready to vote."
2. Post 97 - you appeared to be more worried about the speed of the Band Wagon (which is true, i was as well), rather than the actual scummy post.
3.107 - Black marked me (?) for pushing a claim. which in return almost negated his "plain role," claim. i think pushing hard was the right move.
4. 212 - your gut says lynch him, but you don't want to vote for him. You say that if he is scum, I have to be scum, howso? I think i asked already, and you never responded.
5. post 250 - you said that you've seen two townies play like this before. I'm presuming one was your first game, and the other was Newbie 734, Exalt was a crybaby at that point in the game. not to mention you've only played a small handful of games. i don't think you have enough experience to claim this statement on post 250.
6. Post 253 - "I'd rather leave a crappy town alive than scum." What the heck does this mean?
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wait.... what?

Hmm...

Very interesting.

But there is a counter:

If [Kise] turns up town, i will be surprised, and then i would look into Lamont

and Xyl

, but i don't think he will.

BC was pushing a Kise-Cat pair, stating his willingness to lynch Cat.
However, BC was also wishing 2 look at Xyl/Lamount if Kise flipped town.
Kise did.

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For reference, I am also looking at Zito. Just in case he's the Brooklyn kill.
This post, 4 example, contains a lot of content from Zito addressing Xyl.

@Xylthixlm: Do you have a master list of all these great scum-tells somewhere? Because at the moment it seems like you pull them out of your ass to suit your purposes. Also, "I wanted to kill Lamont" - why?
@cateraction: If you're not ready to vote, can you give your opinion on something?

Is also something interesting.

This is what makes me think he's the Bronx kill, tho.

[ConsonantM]

'Sides Cateraction's, Xyl's, and Rhinox's D1 posts (which i will analyze l8r), i think i've gotten all i can from D1.

Same Color Coding as b4.

Vote Count: 6 to lynch

inHimshallibe

: 5 (

sam.samhorn

, ConsonantM,

lazarusmoth

, cateraction,

xRECKONERx

)

DizzyIzzyB13

: 1 (

Rhinox

)

xRECKONERx: 1 (inHimshallibe)

Not Voting: 3 (Xylthixlm,

Phoebus

,

DizzyIzzyB13

)

Vote Count: 6 to lynch

inHimshallibe

: 5 (

sam.samhorn

, ConsonantM,

lazarusmoth

, cateraction,

xRECKONERx

)

xRECKONERx: 2 (inHimshallibe

,

Rhinox

)

lazarusmoth

: 1 (Xylthixlm)

Not Voting: 2 (

Phoebus

,

DizzyIzzyB13

)

Vote Count: 6 to lynch

inHimshallibe

: 5 (

sam.samhorn

, ConsonantM,

lazarusmoth

, cateraction,

xRECKONERx

)

xRECKONERx: 3 (inHimshallibe,

Rhinox

, Xylthixlm)

Not Voting: 2 (

Phoebus

,

DizzyIzzyB13

)

Interesting 2 note is how--4 the second time in the game--Xyl and Rhinox r voting together.

Vote Count: 6 to lynch

inHimshallibe:

4 (

sam.samhorn, lazarusmoth

, cateraction,

xRECKONERx

)

xRECKONERx

: 3 (

Rhinox

, Xylthixlm, ConsonantM)

lazarusmoth

: 1 (

inHimshallibe

)

Not Voting: 2 (

Phoebus,

DizzyIzzyB13

)

Vote Count: 6 to lynch

inHimshallibe

: 2 (

lazarusmoth

, cateraction)

xRECKONERx

: 2 (

Rhinox

, Xylthixlm)

lazarusmoth

: 1 (

inHimshallibe

)
Xylthixlm: 1 (

xRECKONERx

)

Not Voting: 2 (

Phoebus

,

DizzyIzzyB13

,

sam.samhorn

, ConsonantM)

Vote Count: 6 to lynch

inHimshallibe

: 2 (

lazarusmoth

, cateraction)

xRECKONERx

: 2 (

Rhinox

, Xylthixlm)
Xylthixlm: 2 (

xRECKONERx

,

Phoebus

)

lazarusmoth

: 1 (

inHimshallibe

)

Not Voting: 3 (

DizzyIzzyB13

,

sam.samhorn

, ConsonantM)

The pattern i am seeing, here, is that Cateraction is not voting with Rhinox, while Xyl is.

Vote Count: 6 to lynch

Xylthixlm: 3 (

xRECKONERx

,

Phoebus

,

inHimshallibe

)

inHimshallibe

: 2 (

lazarusmoth

, cateraction)

xRECKONERx:

2 (

Rhinox

, Xylthixlm)

Phoebus: 1 (sam.samhorn)

Not Voting: 2 (

DizzyIzzyB13

, ConsonantM)

Vote Count: 6 to lynch

Xylthixlm: 4 (

xRECKONERx

,

Phoebus

,

inHimshallibe

, cateraction)

inHimshallibe

: 2 (

lazarusmoth

, Xylthixlm)

xRECKONERx

: 1 (

Rhinox

)

Phoebus: 1 (sam.samhorn)

lazarusmoth

: 1 (ConsonantM)

Not Voting: 1 (

DizzyIzzyB13

)

And the results of the night?

inHimshallibe - Town Roleblocker - Killed Night Two

Rhinox - Brooklyn Mafia Encryptor - Killed Night Two

Something caused the Brooklyn mafia to kill Reck, and the Bronx killed Rhinox. Time 2 look at Reck+Rhinox.

[ConsonantM]

*In the last line of the above post, replace all "Reck" with "inHim".

[ConsonantM]

Xylthixlm: 3 (xRECKONERx, Phoebus,

inHimshallibe

)

Interesting.

inHimshallibe: 2 (lazarusmoth, Xylthixlm)

Possible OMGUS from Xyl. This is a very interesting pattern. 'Twill be worth looking into.

[Xylthixlm]

This would seem to indicate that Cateraction wouldnt kill BC--y kill the person ur voting 4? Doesnt make much tactical sense; scum want 2 vote 4 scummy pro-town players. If Cateraction thought BC was scummy, then BC would b some1 2 keep alive in order 2 lynch them.

inHimshallibe: 2 (lazarusmoth, Xylthixlm)

[Xylthixlm]

BTW: Rhinox was not voting because he

hadn't posted yet

. I was not voting because I was waiting for Rhinox to post before hammering. If you want to call me scummy for something about that, call me scummy for waiting for Rhinox. But saying that I was voting with him a lot, because we were both not voting, is bullshit.

[ConsonantM]

Xyl interaction here.

Pretty sure Xyl is scum. Phoebus looking bad, too.

Cater is a GG.

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unvote
vote: Xylthixlm

Note the bolded. Would Cateraction really kill InHim after that?
Also, note the vote on Xyl.

In the above case, I still like Xyl as the first lynch.

Continues the Xyl suspicion here,

unvote
vote: lazarusmoth

I don't think the xyl notion is going to catch hold, so I am trying my next best guess.

I will move back to xyl if it gets close.

And gets sidetracked here. Still voices heavy Xyl suspicion.

Really?

This guy is pretty clearly scum.

At Reckoner: Xyl's wagon only had the most because I was on it.

Now I'm going to have to try and fend off my own lynch; I have a feeling the Town is getting close to the point of no return.

unvote
vote: Xylthixlm

We know that InHim was the Brooklyn kill, and that we have a Brooklyn left. InHim was pushing for Xyl's lynch and ends up dead.

See the pattern?

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Let's look at Rhinox, now, as well.

I'm not sure I'm a fan of that claim.

For 1, aside from my vote, you were under very little pressure, so a claim wasn't really warranted. Also, your claim is entirely unverifiable. And really, why would a 1-shot vig kill on N1 anyways? Seems like it'd be smarter to wait until being more sure of hitting scum.

So I'm sorry, but I don't believe you.

Xyl interaction, here.

I think evaluating the quality of a claim based on any mod-meta is a bad idea. I don't care if OGML used 100% paired roles in every other game - maybe this is the one game where he didn't. Assuming the mod will continue a previous pattern = gaming the mod = bad idea, IMO.

Takes Xyl's side in this matter, which was between me and Xyl.

I can see y Rhinox was the Bronx kill; he addressed Sam in his last post.

[Xylthixlm]

How suspicious do you consider a complete lack of interaction?

[ConsonantM]

BTW: Rhinox was not voting because he hadn't posted yet.

He had posted. Once. Not *much* of a post (To Kise calling him a Newb, a response of "WTF"), but a post, nonetheless.

If you want to call me scummy for something about that, call me scummy for waiting for Rhinox. But saying that I was voting with him a lot, because we were both not voting, is bullshit.

i see nothing wrong with both. "Not Voting" counts as a vote 2 me.

[ConsonantM]

How suspicious do you consider a complete lack of interaction?

Not very. It's annoying, but ppl do it sometimes, regardless of alignment.