Open 150 - Crossfire - Game mod abandoned

[Zachrulez]

Oh, here are some more observations on KMD.

You see Kmd, picking at little things can sometimes unravel the whole package.

Unvote, Vote:Fernando

Guess I had it right the first time. There are valid reasons to be voting Huntress right now, but yours are certainly not it. Nice attempt to join a wagon, though.

You're right. Fernando is scummier. So is dvd.

Unvote, Vote Fernando

Follows VP's vote on Fernando, that's about as far as he goes with explanation here.

I completely missed that where kise said Laz isn't scummy and then votes him in his next post. Obv scum who can't keep his story straight because he's FoS'ed almost everyone in the game.

this guy needs to die quick

Unvote, Vote: Kise

Unvote, Vote Kise

Let's do this.

(There's something familiar about Furry for some reason. Not sure why...)

Follows VP's vote on Darkstrike, absolutely no reasoning given except for "Let's do this."

It's quite interesting the big deal KMD makes about my Kise vote while little has really been mentioned about his.

In fact with my recollection of events, his reaction to VP as a whole was actually quite interesting. Seems like all his actions and reactions to him on day 1 were suited specifically to satisfy him.

[Kmd4390]

what is the zach wagon about?

This was my Day 1 case:

Zach:
-Started by asking a few questions, but didn't take any hard stances.
-Took the easy Darkstrike vote and blew it up as his first real stance
-Most of his attacks are small jabs
-Put Kise at L-2 for weak reasons without even mentioning him previously
-More concerned with lurker hunting than scum hunting

I could probably add to it, but I have to be at work in an hour and 20 minutes, so I'm just trying to catch up on everything right now.

Follows VP's vote on Fernando, that's about as far as he goes with explanation here.

This was mostly VP and I trying to get the game started. We made a few attempts at this and everything seemed to pretty much fail because it was so obvious that all we wanted was reactions.

Follows VP's vote on Darkstrike, absolutely no reasoning given except for "Let's do this."

It's quite interesting the big deal KMD makes about my Kise vote while little has really been mentioned about his.

In fact with my recollection of events, his reaction to VP as a whole was actually quite interesting. Seems like all his actions and reactions to him on day 1 were suited specifically to satisfy him.

I was satisfied with lynching Kise, so I voted as such.

On VP, this game started with very few players who I was really familiar with. VP and Zazie are the only two who started this game who I've played quite a bit with. So my posts regarding both of them may have come off as buddying. (I'm in a few ongoing with Kise too, but at the time he was alive, I'd only seen him around a couple of times)

[hasdgfas]

You remember Grim Mafia Has?

I do...

The tone of your attacks on me are actually quite similar to that game...

it's all well and good saying that, however:

A) I was never actually truly "caught up" in GrimMafia

B) You're not backing up your arguments with evidence and/or explanation

[Battousai]

Battousai:

battousai, post 381: Could you please elaborate on why they are scummy on this wagon? It's all well and good saying "they reacted scummish" but you can't leave it at that.

Sorry, missed it.

I already said why Furry and KMD are scum, now on to Zach.

Zach misrep what Kise said. "So he says Lazarus is not scummy and then votes him?

Yeah... " Is not the same as "Laz isn't really scummy." And he neglected the fact that Kise had a FOS on Laz before the vote. Kise obvioiusly found Laz scummy, but he wasn't really (as in a measurement) scummy.

[Huntress]

What is your case against Darkstrike? You've said he's scummy but not much else.

I don't really have a case on him.

So do you think he's scum or not?

Considering we need a few replacements and only a few people are talking its hard to get a scum read, hopefully things willl turn around soon.

Don't you have any comments on the the earlier part of the game?


Post 363: Furry makes a couple of good points about Khamisa. I had a look at some of Khamisa's other games but they're on-going so I can't comment on them. Waiting to see what afatchic has to say.

huntress, post 74: are all FoSes distancing? If not, why is Kise's?

Most aren't, of course, but there is always that possibility and Kise's FoS seemed odd.


@ Battousai: Is post 396 a reply to Furry's post 392? And is it the case against Furry that you refer to in post 403?

[Battousai]

Yes, No.

403 was about Zach.

[Zachrulez]

Battousai:

battousai, post 381: Could you please elaborate on why they are scummy on this wagon? It's all well and good saying "they reacted scummish" but you can't leave it at that.

Sorry, missed it.

I already said why Furry and KMD are scum, now on to Zach.

Zach misrep what Kise said. "So he says Lazarus is not scummy and then votes him?

Yeah... " Is not the same as "Laz isn't really scummy." And he neglected the fact that Kise had a FOS on Laz before the vote. Kise obvioiusly found Laz scummy, but he wasn't really (as in a measurement) scummy.

Eh, that was the way I interpreted his position.

In the end it's the difference between voting someone you don't find scummy at all, and voting for someone you don't find "really scummy."

I guess I really don't see much of a distinction between the two positions at all. Kise was wishy washy at best there.

[Huntress]

@ Battousai: In post 403 you wrote, "I already said why Furry and KMD are scum". If post 396 isn't your case against Furry then I can't see where you commented on him.

[Battousai]

396 is about Furry... hence the Yes in my last post. Remember you asked two questions...

[Kmd4390]

What is your case against Darkstrike? You've said he's scummy but not much else.

I don't really have a case on him.

So do you think he's scum or not?

I do, but I'm more sure of Zach.

[Battousai]

You have no case, yet he is scummy. So, what makes him scummy?

[Zachrulez]

Which is quite interesting because he calls my suspicion of Darkstrike scummy, yet weakly suspects him by calling him scummy. (With no reasoning to back it up.)

[Kmd4390]

You have no case, yet he is scummy. So, what makes him scummy?

Who? Darkstrike? He isn't my focus. Zach is.

Might as well put a case up anyway though:
-no vote when he's suspicious of me
-his comment about being "not even 40%" sure I'm scum
-Saying that because he is town, he suspects everyone who suspects him
-Called Kise's vote overeager when he was clearly voting because I asked him to vote his top suspect (and didn't vote Kise at the time. he'd called Kise scum in 2 posts and wasn't voting anyone already)
-Overreaction to Ash's vote
-Says he's not posting much because he doesn't want to be attacked

Which is quite interesting because he calls my suspicion of Darkstrike scummy, yet weakly suspects him by calling him scummy. (With no reasoning to back it up.)

I didn't like the way you attacked the easiest thing there. I don't have a problem with his "I'm here, just actively lurking" post.

Mod, can the OP be updated to include the replacements please?

[Zachrulez]

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the "easiest thing there."

Just because you don't think his active lurking was scummy doesn't mean I have to think the same way you do.

[Haylen]

Very quick post.

Still reading the game. Few things you should note about me: I am a very slow writer and a very slow reader mainly because of perfectionism, I don't lurk. Thought I should explain that now rather than maybe having an argument about it later. It's happened in all my games, so I now feel the need to tell people before the game even starts. I was once told to get things like this out in the open as soon as I enter a game, to prevent misunderstandings later.

Anyway, I shall write a good post tomorrow, would comment on what I have read so far but I've learnt from that mistake already. (spent 2 hrs writing a case on a guy after i'd just replaced in. did it all chronologically, and then realised the guy was NK'd on Night One)

Bye for now.

[Battousai]

Why isn't anyone else voting KMD?

[Haylen]

Tell us why we should?

[hasdgfas]

Tell us why we should?

where's that post you promised us?

[Haylen]

Being written. I have 3 outstanding analysis post I need to write, please don't get on at me about it. I will post it when it is written.

[Battousai]

I put myself in your shoes. If I wanted Kise to vote his top suspect AND told him it was the pro-town thing to do, I would have at least remembered that "Hey, I really told him to do that." When VP brought up the main reason everyone piled on Kise. Since you were the one who asked it, I would at least think you wouldn't vote him for it.

My case. Plus you can take my word for it. He is scum. I have never been wrong about KMD's alignment in any game I played with him.

That I can recall off the top of my head

.

[Kmd4390]

I put myself in your shoes. If I wanted Kise to vote his top suspect AND told him it was the pro-town thing to do, I would have at least remembered that "Hey, I really told him to do that." When VP brought up the main reason everyone piled on Kise. Since you were the one who asked it, I would at least think you wouldn't vote him for it.

My case. Plus you can take my word for it. He is scum. I have never been wrong about KMD's alignment in any game I played with him.

That I can recall off the top of my head

.

Umm. Have I ever played a

finished

game with you? I think the only games I've played with you are this and another ongoing which we are both still alive in.

[Battousai]

I feel like ZazieR now... invisible.

[Furry]

Waiting for AFC (Kham) to get caught up given that I still like that lynch. Need to reread Zach/kmd again apparently given the current events going on. Just been busy with work recently, just got done with a big Topo for pipe burst in a rich area, so should have more time as I wait for a new job.

Still dont get what Batt is pushing at, it seems like he is saying I didnt really push the Kise wagon or something like that and I am scummy for it. I sure did push that wagon into the light though, I think I had some of if not the most back and forth with him to boot.

[Kmd4390]

I feel like ZazieR now... invisible.

When have I ever played a game with you? I know you modded one I was in, but I don't think we've played together.

[Kmd4390]

I feel like ZazieR now... invisible.

When have I ever played a game with you? I know you modded one I was in, but I don't think we've played together.

I just searched you and looked for games I was in. There was a Marathon game, but you were replaced and never mentioned me there.