Open 155 - Jungle Republic - Game Over before 816

[ZazieR]

But I'll catch up now that the game is real and everything, because a lot has happened, and I am really confused at this point as a result of that. My fault, but yeah.

Does this mean you have read the game already?

[Hero764]

You''re saying that you''ve got no other reason than ''lolz'' for voting Cephrir?

Yep.

You''re trying to get him lynched. Lynching is getting somebody out of the picture.

One vote does make a lynch. And voting him certainly wouldn't/doesn't get him out of the picture, as now he's confronting me even more.

Quote 1:

I hope when I flip town

Quote 2:

Mastin, what will you do when I flip town?

What's wrong with those posts?(sorry you might have explained it earlier, I'm too lazy to go back and check atm)

And no, when you think somebody is scum, you try to get him lynched.

Well then there's no reason to be so sure somebody is scum this early in the game(unless they like, drop a HUGE scum tell, which bandwagoning is not).

Also, if this is the reason for attacking Mastin, then how come you haven''t attacked Molest as he agrees with some of Mastin''s points, or Ceph as he didn''t give a clear reason or Falko who still has his ''random vote'' on you?

Molest - He hasn't outright said that we were the three mafia and acted so sure about it, and he certainly hasn't been pushing for a lynch.
Ceph - Same thing as above. He's not actively trying to get a lynch this early.
falko - Well because there's nothing wrong with keeping your random vote on.

[Noramp]

Because I like to use to my vote sparingly, Hero might be the most scummy right now but I still don't feel that hes worth my vote at this point.

He mentioned multiple times that he caught all three scum, I just saw that he voted in RVS and moved on I didnt really take into account whom it was for.

Ya when Chaos initially called me out on the question I responded why I thought wolves would be best first, obviously that's in a perfect world but it would be nice.

I read Mastin's argument for two or three of his posts and felt it was going nowhere. He was just accusing Hero of being scum and Hero was yelling back at him that his reasons were stupid. I didn't really stop and take a closer look until you brought it up and started asking me questions. That's when Hero's defense sort of hit me as being more than just frustrated town and more like frustrated scum trying to get Mastin to leave them alone.

[Hero764]

That's when Hero's defense sort of hit me as being more than just frustrated town and more like frustrated scum trying to get Mastin to leave them alone.

Could you elaborate on this?

[Noramp]

All Hero in Iso

-And I see a SERIOUS Hero-Flava-Cephir connection.

How can you see a serious connection over jokes(at least on my part)?

unvote

vote: Mastin

Post 9

I don't give a shit.

This is one of the main reasons you come off as possibly scum. The emotional outbursts don’t help town and just make you look bad.

Post 9

Why should your joke posts be taken nonseriously but others should? Meta-defense is horrible by the way. You can change your meta anytime you want.

I agree with Hero on this point, Mastin attempted to pin them as scum because of what could easily be conceived as a joke, yet Mastin supposedly always starts the game with a joke everytime, Mastin obviously is establishing a double standard that he is using to push for someone’s lynch.

Post 11

Ticking players off is anti town, not scummy

Again I agree with you Hero, but it seems that Mastin’s playstyle is to get under people’s skin and make them say stupid things. Unfortunately, the reasons for saying stupid things can be because of frustrated town or flustered scum. It seems to me pissing people off only creates WIFOM.

Mastin, what will you do when I flip town?

You have very valid points throughout your argument but they become overshadowed by statements like this. There’s no reason to say something like this. It isn’t beneficial and it only makes it seem like you’re trying to coerce Mastin into feeling bad for making a case against you. It makes me second guess your true alignment.

I hope when I flip town you rethink your entire playstyle

This is post right after the last one:/

I want to punch you in the face so much right now =P.

REALLY want to punch you in the face right now

I’m pretty sure these have already been addressed but the main thing is these only make you look bad, they don’t do anything to help your case on Mastin

Like I said I don’t think you’re scum Hero, there are definite moments that you don’t help yourself by your reactions but going over your posts, you do make some good points against Mastin and to suggest that the argument is one sided isn’t fair.

[ZazieR]

You''re trying to get him lynched. Lynching is getting somebody out of the picture.

One vote does make a lynch. And voting him certainly wouldn't/doesn't get him out of the picture, as now he's confronting me even more.

Did you mean to say that one vote doesn''t make a lynch?
And I don''t understand the second sentence. Rephrase?

What's wrong with those posts?(sorry you might have explained it earlier, I'm too lazy to go back and check atm)

As Molest called it, it''s blackmailing.

And no, when you think somebody is scum, you try to get him lynched.

Well then there's no reason to be so sure somebody is scum this early in the game(unless they like, drop a HUGE scum tell, which bandwagoning is not).

You sure you''ve played with Mastin before?

[ZazieR]

He mentioned multiple times that he caught all three scum, I just saw that he voted in RVS and moved on I didnt really take into account whom it was for.

Can you elaborate?

Ya when Chaos initially called me out on the question I responded why I thought wolves would be best first, obviously that's in a perfect world but it would be nice.

Ok, but the things is that even though you knew that there isn''t any way to identify Wolves and scum from the scummy players, you still proposed that plan.
And that is noted.

I read Mastin's argument for two or three of his posts and felt it was going nowhere. He was just accusing Hero of being scum and Hero was yelling back at him that his reasons were stupid. I didn't really stop and take a closer look until you brought it up and started asking me questions. That's when Hero's defense sort of hit me as being more than just frustrated town and more like frustrated scum trying to get Mastin to leave them alone.

I need to look at your posts for this.

[Flava Flave]

It reminds me when you were friendly towards Furry in Open 137. That''s why my gut doesn''t like it.

That was different though. That wasn't really being "friendly". It was more making sure he thought that I had a town read on him, when in reality, I had him pegged as scum. Then I killed him Night 3 and went on to win without much problem. All I've done here is said that I'll enjoy playing with Mastin. Yes, I've said he's likely town, but that's just my read. I guess I can see where you are coming from, but you can't stop someone from having reads.

@Noramp, you still haven't actually contributed anything to the game, but you've done a great job of

appearing

active. Why is no one else seeing this guy as scum?

Hero is scummy as hell. Falko still hasn't convinced me he's town. I wouldn't mind my vote being on any of the three right now.

[Flava Flave]

Unvote, Vote Hero

. I think more people will be willing to lynch him than Falko. I still plan to come back to Falko though. Noramp as well.

[Noramp]

I'm sorry Flava but what exactly have you done, if Mastin hadn't suspected you, you would have nothing, I've answered the questions asked of me and I've tried to ask questions back. Granted Zazie didn't much appreciate my questions because I hadn't yet given my take on the situation but since then I've tried my best to be active and involved. The only reason you're targeting me is because I stupidly asked that initial question. How come you are not more focused on people who are saying even less than I am?

Unvote, Vote Hero. I think more people will be willing to lynch him than Falko

why are you already attempting to cave on your opinions simply to achieve a lynch. We're a week into Day 1, why don't you actually attempt to sell your case on Falko and try to persuade people in the middle like me. Personally I'm not seeing a Falko case. Is it all based solely on him not wanting to answer the question asked of him?

[Drench]

The Sixth Vote Count: "Jungle Progress"

Noramp

- 2 - Crazy, ChaosOmega

Snake
Flava Flave

- 2 - orangepenguin, Snake

Mastin

- 1 - Hero764

ZazieR
orangepenguin

Crazy
falkomagno

molestargazer
ChaosOmega
Cephrir

Hero764

- 5 - falkomagno, molestargazer, Mastin, Cephrir, Flava Flave

Not Voting:

- 2 - ZazieR, Noramp

If you see any discrepancies, please let me know.

[Noramp]

@Ceph, Falko, Flava, and Mole could you restate your stance on Hero for me please?

[Crazy]

It's too late for me to post right now. I will do so tomorrow.

[molestargazer]

It's on my to-do list anyway, Noramp. I finally have a free(ish) day today, so I should get round to it at some point fairly soon.

[ZazieR]

@Flava

In other words, the scum are:
-Noramp
-Crazy
-Falko
-Hero

And note the VC. There are players suspecting Noramp and who show it.

[ZazieR]

He mentioned multiple times that he caught all three scum, I just saw that he voted in RVS and moved on I didnt really take into account whom it was for.

Can you elaborate?

Still this, Noramp.

[ZazieR]

I'm sorry Flava but what exactly have you done, if Mastin hadn't suspected you, you would have nothing, I've answered the questions asked of me and I've tried to ask questions back. Granted Zazie didn't much appreciate my questions because I hadn't yet given my take on the situation but since then I've tried my best to be active and involved. The only reason you're targeting me is because I stupidly asked that initial question. How come you are not more focused on people who are saying even less than I am?

Gut doesn't like this.

[ZazieR]

EBWOP

why are you already attempting to cave on your opinions simply to achieve a lynch. We're a week into Day 1, why don't you actually attempt to sell your case on Falko and try to persuade people in the middle like me. Personally I'm not seeing a Falko case. Is it all based solely on him not wanting to answer the question asked of him?

Agreed with the first.
Noramp, why did you say this?
Also, the case is that he avoided the question, then said that his vote was random though mentioned later on that it was for serious reasons. Last, but not least, he now lies about why he didn't say that sooner.

[ZazieR]

@Ceph, Falko, Flava, and Mole could you restate your stance on Hero for me please?

If you're asking for their reasons to vote Hero, then this.
Also,

OP, CO and Snake

should give their opinion of Hero.

[Noramp]

EBWOP

why are you already attempting to cave on your opinions simply to achieve a lynch. We're a week into Day 1, why don't you actually attempt to sell your case on Falko and try to persuade people in the middle like me. Personally I'm not seeing a Falko case. Is it all based solely on him not wanting to answer the question asked of him?

Agreed with the first.
Noramp, why did you say this?
Also, the case is that he avoided the question, then said that his vote was random though mentioned later on that it was for serious reasons. Last, but not least, he now lies about why he didn't say that sooner.

I said it because I felt it was very strange that he would come out and say his main target is Falko but because people aren't agreeing with him a week into Day 1, he's going to switch to a popular vote. Just seemed like he was fishing for a quick lynch because that puts Hero at L-1? correct?

oh and thanks for clearing that up Zazie i guess I was stuck on the initial reason. I'm going to reread I didn't realize he said it was for a serious reason, I thought he was claiming it was a joke OMGUS.

In regards to you wanting me to elaborate, What was it that you wanted me to elaborate on? Him saying it multiple times or the fact that I overlooked his RVS vote? or everything?

I'm sorry my reading comprehension right now sucks I guess:/

[ZazieR]

L-2.
First joke (due to the avatar), later he said that the bandwagon was fishy.
Elaboration for everything.

[Noramp]

@Flava

In other words, the scum are:
-Noramp
-Crazy
-Falko
-Hero

And note the VC. There are players suspecting Noramp and who show it.

Sorry Zazie but what's VC?

[ZazieR]

Vote Count

[Noramp]

sorry should have realized that.

If all three Mafia voted Falko in the RVS, they get 10 (out of ten) points for style.

I nailed all three Mafia day one!

More votes on Hero, please. Cephir and Flava work

I’m not positive how you want me to elaborate but there are three quotes from Mastin. All his posts are riddled with things similar or the same as those three. It’s pretty hard to miss. I tend to not pay too much attention from RVS votes because I have trouble finding true tells from them so I skim through and if something glaring like the early bandwagon comes up I keep my eyes on them but the Mastin vote just didn’t ignite my radar the way it should have I suppose.

[Crazy]

I think I’ve addressed some of these already but I’ll answer them all just in case. I would say that Hero is the most suspicious not for his vote on Falko but the way he acted while getting questioned by Mastin. I previously said that I thought it was strange that Hero would vote so haphazardly as to vote in stride with the person before him. I don’t really think that in itself is scummy because as Mastin said it would give them 10/10 for style. It just seems ridiculous to think the scum would do that. But Hero got really defensive and even went as far as to OMGUS Mastin. And if you look at what Mastin said, he also mentioned it would be a good idea to take the werewolves out first. I never meant to defend Hero from being lynched I thought my question would be a good discussion starter but without realizing it at the time it was purely theory based.

If we find someone we think is scummy I don’t think we should hold off because there’s absolutely no way in knowing the difference between a werewolf slip and a mafia slip.

It didn't seem like you had the bolded stance before. Did you change your mind due to popular demand?


@Zazie:

1. I haven't even read some of Mastin's recent posts in entirety,

but I think Hero's strong reaction reeks of frustrated scum.

Mastin: Post 67, until the vote, is not serious.

That might not be "literally" what I said, but it means basically the same thing in that context. I don't see why you're picking it apart.

Even if it was a stupid question, he could have given a serious answer in the same post. Like he ''did'' in his post afterwards.
But the main point is that he changed his answer. First he avoided it, then he says that it was because of the avatar and finally he says that Hero''s vote was scummy. Avoiding it was scummy, but the part after this is very scummy.

Falko mentioned a BW on Page 2. I can assume that Falko wasn't saying he voted Hero based on a bandwagon that hadn't happened yet. I interpreted it as a "it turned out that Hero was a better vote than Ceph, anyway."

Because I like to use to my vote sparingly, Hero might be the most scummy right now but I still don't feel that hes worth my vote at this point.

Like I said I don’t think you’re scum Hero, there are definite moments that you don’t help yourself by your reactions but going over your posts, you do make some good points against Mastin and to suggest that the argument is one sided isn’t fair.

I don't know where you're going here. In the first quote, you say Hero is the most scummy, yet then you say you

don't

think he's scum.

I'm confused... can I just ask what your point is?