Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[Wickedestjr]

I really like the pace that the game is going right now, but I'm sure I won't tomorrow morning when I wake up with ten more pages to read.

I think the Ceruleans may have been planning to kill VP once Mastin was dead. Does anybody else think this?

[Xylthixlm]

I still think townies could have accused you of this. I doubt mafia would deliberately try and get rid of somebody for a bad reason that they even think is bad.

Humans are amazing at lying to themselves. It's called "cognitive dissonance". It's a great scumtell if you can spot it.

[Wickedestjr]

I still think townies could have accused you of this. I doubt mafia would deliberately try and get rid of somebody for a bad reason that they even think is bad.

Humans are amazing at lying to themselves. It's called "cognitive dissonance". It's a great scumtell if you can spot it.

And this is only done by scum?

[Kublai Khan]

Damn, the pace has really picked up...

and now i can tally three games where people try to lynch me for being right

No... It's more the vig-directing ploy. If you hadn't tried to direct the vig-kill, I'd be a lot less suspicious of you.

do you really think that someone would bus their only remaining scumpartner, another mafia power role, from the getgo on day one with two other kill sources remaining?

If Mastin had made an effort to address the DAY 1 problems with his roleclaim, I'd believe that his remaining partner(s) might have tried to coach him. Since Mastin didn't, I think it's much more likely that his remaining partner(s) made plans to bus the fuck out of him.

btw, now that we've had members of both scumteams trying their hardest to get khan lynched, can we finally agree that the guy is town and stop even entertaining the notion that we'll ever lynch him, ever? kthx

Uh, no one was suggesting to lynch me today.

the only person who's intentions i think were honest in wifoming himself about me-mastin was khan. i'm betting that the fact that he did so is what opened the floodgates of opportunism.

Well, I do agree with you about the point that the Vermillion Mafia are likely aiming to lynch you. But the general OMGUS attitude towards anyone suspecting you and the ignoring of the main point against you isn't really helping me see you as town.

[Xylthixlm]

I still think townies could have accused you of this. I doubt mafia would deliberately try and get rid of somebody for a bad reason that they even think is bad.

Humans are amazing at lying to themselves. It's called "cognitive dissonance". It's a great scumtell if you can spot it.

And this is only done by scum?

Nothing is

only

done by scum.

[Xylthixlm]

@Hayker: Stop making posts like 185 & 186. It's bad enough that ZazieR and Mastin post mostly nonsense posts. Don't emulate them.

I saw Zazie comment on this quote as well, but unfortunately I could not find where the actual post was. But anyway, I don't really like this comment. First of all: Hayker didn't make post 186, so your only real evidence for this complaint is post 185 unless you made a mistake and can identify the real post you were talking about. Second of all: It has already been discussed that Mastin and Zaz have been contributing to the scum hunting. While they may post a lot of nonsense, I find that a majority of the content in their posts is helping the game roll along. Third of all: What do you find to be nonsense in Hayker's posts?


I agree that I don't think JR's vote for Mastin is a pretty great one. It doesn't have a very good reason, and like I said before, a majority of the content in Mastin's posts contain scum hunting contribution.

Seems like Wickedestjr is the last Cerulean, or completely bonkers.

Still hunting Vermillion. Namttam looks promising.

[Wickedestjr]

Seems like Wickedestjr is the last Cerulean, or completely bonkers.

Still hunting Vermillion. Namttam looks promising.

Like I said, I feel that I was one of the few players that attacked Mastin the most. I don't think you replied to that.

Why do you think Namttam is Vermillion?

[Xylthixlm]

Like I said, I feel that I was one of the few players that attacked Mastin the most. I don't think you replied to that.

What changed your mind from day 1, when you said he was "contributing to the scum hunting" and "helping the game roll along"?

Why do you think Namttam is Vermillion?

If Namttam is scum and you're Cerulean, that would make Namttam Vermillion. Duh.

[roflcopter]

i don't like wicked for cerulean

[Xylthixlm]

i don't like wicked for cerulean

Vermillion, then?

[Xylthixlm]

I think I should just hunt scum and leave the cerulean/vermillion speculation to other people.

[roflcopter]

i don't like wicked for cerulean

Vermillion, then?

maybe. but there are better suspects imo. and i don't just mean you.

I think I should just hunt scum and leave the cerulean/vermillion speculation to other people.

do me a favor and focus on people with connections to zazie. i get the feeling that the remains of mastin's team are not long for this world whether they get lynched today or not. whoever it is lies in a very small pool of people, all of whom will most likely be dead before any potential endgame scenario.

[Wickedestjr]

Like I said, I feel that I was one of the few players that attacked Mastin the most. I don't think you replied to that.

What changed your mind from day 1, when you said he was "contributing to the scum hunting" and "helping the game roll along"?

Why do you think Namttam is Vermillion?

If Namttam is scum and you're Cerulean, that would make Namttam Vermillion. Duh.

Scum contribute. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't people suspicious of Nam, because of his link with Mastin. This would only make sense if he was a Cerulean.

[Wickedestjr]

@rofl - Would you rather lynch somebody who you think is a Cerulean, or somebody who you think is a Vermillion?

@Anybody - What were the main reasons for people being suspicious of Nam?

[roflcopter]

If Mastin had made an effort to address the DAY 1 problems with his roleclaim, I'd believe that his remaining partner(s) might have tried to coach him. Since Mastin didn't, I think it's much more likely that his remaining partner(s) made plans to bus the fuck out of him.

you're disregarding the fact that i was trying to lynch mastin long before his roleblocker claim on day one

Uh, no one was suggesting to lynch me today.

and i'm making sure no one will ever again. you're the closest thing we have to confirmed town. i have my ideas about at least one of baltar's investigations, but its far from certainty.

Well, I do agree with you about the point that the Vermillion Mafia are likely aiming to lynch you. But the general OMGUS attitude towards anyone suspecting you and the ignoring of the main point against you isn't really helping me see you as town.

i believe i've demonstrated my reason for suspecting those who are trying to paint me as mastin's scumpartner.

[roflcopter]

@rofl - Would you rather lynch somebody who you think is a Cerulean, or somebody who you think is a Vermillion?

today i would rather hit vermillion. it benefits the town if we leave the last cerulean alive to potentially crosskill vermillion. we don't want to clear the board of all kill sources save a scumteam which is already in the stronger position than their rival scumteam. chances are very good that vermillion as one or two power roles left, and cerulean has none.

[Hayker]

/unvote

This descision is based purely on gut. Rofl, you've convinced me to not be the best target for today, but don't think you're in the clear yet.

[Kublai Khan]

you're disregarding the fact that i was trying to lynch mastin long before his roleblocker claim on day one

Yes, I acknowledge that. However, you have yet to address your scummy action of attempting to direct the vig kill.

i believe i've demonstrated my reason for suspecting those who are trying to paint me as mastin's scumpartner.

Yes, but conversly, it would stand to reason that the best strategy for the remaining Cerulean(s) would be to get the town to ignore any leads towards finding Ceruleans and to get the town to concentrate on finding Vermillion instead. Like this next post for example:

today i would rather hit vermillion. it benefits the town if we leave the last cerulean alive to potentially crosskill vermillion. we don't want to clear the board of all kill sources save a scumteam which is already in the stronger position than their rival scumteam. chances are very good that vermillion as one or two power roles left, and cerulean has none.

Having two mafia factions around hurts the town more than either mafia faction. Eliminating the weaker scum faction at this point reduces the number of night-kills by half. That's the best strategy.

vote: roflcopter

We should aim to get a role-claim from roflcopter today. There's something fishy about him.

[Kmd4390]

vote: roflcopter

We should aim to get a role-claim from roflcopter today. There's something fishy about him.

Ok.

Vote roflcopter

[roflcopter]

Yes, I acknowledge that. However, you have yet to address your scummy action of attempting to direct the vig kill.

its simple - i was/am confident enough in my read of a mastin-kmd scumteam to suggest vigging kmd if mastin flipped scum. a revealed vig should be directed by the town anyway, and no one else was stepping up for making their opinion known one way or the other. as for why i would have wanted myself lynched if i were wrong, it was because i knew i would have become an immediate mislynch, and the aim there was to save the town the trouble.

We should aim to get a role-claim from roflcopter today. There's something fishy about him.

this is a stupid plan. see kmd sheep onto it immediately for evidence.

[roflcopter]

ebwop - as for my i wanted myself vigged* if i were wrong

i think you got the idea

[Kmd4390]

We should aim to get a role-claim from roflcopter today. There's something fishy about him.

this is a stupid plan. see kmd sheep onto it immediately for evidence.

Yeah, there's no way I thought you were scum before Khan said you were, right?

[roflcopter]

We should aim to get a role-claim from roflcopter today. There's something fishy about him.

this is a stupid plan. see kmd sheep onto it immediately for evidence.

Yeah, there's no way I thought you were scum before Khan said you were, right?

there's no way you had the balls to vote me before he said a claim should be forced, thats for sure. ckool really should have vigged you.

[Kmd4390]

We should aim to get a role-claim from roflcopter today. There's something fishy about him.

this is a stupid plan. see kmd sheep onto it immediately for evidence.

Yeah, there's no way I thought you were scum before Khan said you were, right?

there's no way you had the balls to vote me before he said a claim should be forced, thats for sure. ckool really should have vigged you.

Because I didn't vote you yesterday at all, right?

[Kublai Khan]

its simple - i was/am confident enough in my read of a mastin-kmd scumteam to suggest vigging kmd if mastin flipped scum. a revealed vig should be directed by the town anyway, and no one else was stepping up for making their opinion known one way or the other. as for why i would have wanted myself lynched if i were wrong, it was because i knew i would have become an immediate mislynch, and the aim there was to save the town the trouble.

No one else stepped up? Looking at the timeline...

1241 10:21pm - ckool5000 claims

1242 - ckool5000 asks for kill choice
1243 to 1252 - Kmd4390, SerialClergyman, Xylthixlm, VP Baltar make comments, unvote, etc.

1253 11:50pm - roflcopter directs vig kill

1257 - ckool5000 asks for the town to make a decision
1258 - roflcopter repeats his directive

1261 - Kmd4390 agrees to roflcopter's vig directing

90 minutes passed from the time of ckool5000's claim to your vig-kill direction. Are you honestly trying to argue that you gave the rest of the town a fair chance to decide on whom ckool5000 should kill before 'stepping up'?

this is a stupid plan. see kmd sheep onto it immediately for evidence.

You were willing to die yesterday, yet today you don't want to reveal your role? Seems inconsistent.