Mini 808 - Rabbit Doubt Mafia: Over!

[Mastin]

Enter: Room 3,
Lock: Room 3

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We need to lynch Myk today, not KMD.

[Battousai]

Ok, we need to go to night soon. This is just dragging out.

[Iecerint]

Looker, Ztife, Gregory, Tenchi, & Mafiamann --

Do you find any of the three main wagons (Kmd, myko, Tenchi) credible?

[MafiaMann]

I find the person with name that sounds like a disease wagon to hold some credibility but im not entirely sure what is the case. But i dont like the man with galsses wagon

[Iecerint]

Is the disease name the shortest-spelt wagon, or the intermediately-spelt wagon?

[Kmd4390]

@Kmd - Of course you do not admit to misrepresenting. You have just been shown to have done so.

Not exactly.

did I miss someone, or are this the persons we should look at seriously for this lynch? In that case, please post with what lynches you would agree. My vote could be on mafiaman or KMD, I think.

This is no longer making cases, this is placing the vote for the person you want to lynch. We should have some information, and there are some wagons that could be succesful, now we only need to see what wagons would be on scum.

Wagons are probably a good idea now.

Unvote, Vote Myko

. More votes on you than on Tenchi.

@Mykonian - Well, what more do you want? Kmd is used/is using a strawman attack on me. One which I specifically discredited. I showed, twice, exactly how he was misrepresenting things I have said and his reply was that he was lazy? Seriously? My vote is where I think it will do the most good.

There is no strawman or misrep.

[Iecerint]

I'm pretty ambivalent about Kmd v. myko. I agree with Kre that Kmd has misrepresented her play (whether intentionally or due to laziness) a few times this game. On the other hand, my gut weakly prefers myko. I'm worried that this may just be because Kmd is friendlier. I'll make a decision tomorrow if a bunch of players haven't migrated to Tenchi's wagon.

[Mastin]

Fencesitting.

[Iecerint]

I can't help it.

[Gregory]

I'm sorry for being unactive. Why are people allways busy in vacation?

At this moment, It wouldn't care to me if we'd lynch KMD or Myko,
but I think there is a more probable myko will be lynched, so

vote: Mykonian

[Looker]

to reinforce the statement that too many arent doing a thing: half of the players have probably not even given a serious vote. And the distancing between KMD and me is more likely: since we don't vote for each other.

KMD has had a history of two votes (seen the counts) that stayed long. Both were on lurkers "that he didn't want to let go" and on not that great cases (seen the protown things that did come from Tenchi).

it is not a lot, but I would expect more active hunting from KMD. His voting suggest more waiting scum.

And no, this is not a great case, but one I would like to go for.

vote KMD

"KMD is not scumhunting, he is counting lurkers."

VS

@Kmd - Of course you do not admit to misrepresenting. You have just been shown to have done so.

Not exactly.

did I miss someone, or are this the persons we should look at seriously for this lynch? In that case, please post with what lynches you would agree. My vote could be on mafiaman or KMD, I think.

This is no longer making cases, this is placing the vote for the person you want to lynch. We should have some information, and there are some wagons that could be succesful, now we only need to see what wagons would be on scum.

Wagons are probably a good idea now.

Unvote, Vote Myko

. More votes on you than on Tenchi.

@Mykonian - Well, what more do you want? Kmd is used/is using a strawman attack on me. One which I specifically discredited. I showed, twice, exactly how he was misrepresenting things I have said and his reply was that he was lazy? Seriously? My vote is where I think it will do the most good.

There is no strawman or misrep.

Quite possibly beating Mykonian at his own game.

I find in favor of the plaintiff.

Unvote; Vote Mykonian

Also, does anyone remember Mykonian's initial "slip" at the beginning of the game? Could this be denoted as an ironic situation? Should I not vote you because you said you wouldn't try to get me lynched in the beginning? Was that a psychological ploy? A play on emotion? (Conspiracies...) Anywayz...

[Looker]

Don_Johnson, welcome to the game, who do you suspect? To be quite honest, due to my personal policies and whatnot, I should have waited for you to cast a vote (on whomever you want) before I unvoted you. So

unvote vote don_johnson

. I'll wait for you to cast a vote on whomever and then I'll

re

-cast my vote.

[mykonian]

Enter: Room 3,
Lock: Room 3

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We need to lynch Myk today, not KMD.

great case.

not that I'm going to save myself. The "he has the most votes anyway"-reason is working again.

I won't selfvote, but town: WAKE UP. too many people are making it scum too easy. It would be nice to see more scumhunting, and less: "I don't care, we need a lynch."

btw, since I'm probably dead in a few hours, there is nothing wrong with a little directing.

have you ever seen Mastin playing this way? He doesn't bring a thing

a vig would be awesome, I can live with a lynch day two.

[mykonian]

I'm sorry for being unactive. Why are people allways busy in vacation?

At this moment, It wouldn't care to me if we'd lynch KMD or Myko,
but I think there is a more probable myko will be lynched, so

vote: Mykonian

uhm my friend: shouldn't you care who scum is? And it is pretty clear KMD and I arent scum together, seen all the attacks, so you should care.

[mykonian]

I obviously think you're scum and I think you're the one talking bullshit, I've made this clear.

and since all I say is bullshit anyway, you don't have to listen to me. great tunneling, and you got your mislynch. Phily, hunt more scum, and tunnel less. Maybe you listen to me after you have seen my allignment. Or you are just scum.

[MafiaMann]

satan then on who posted above me

[Kmd4390]

Kmd has misrepresented her play

EXPLAIN. HOW.

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Myko's breakdown has me even more convinced that he's scum.

[Iecerint]

Here's the example I was thinking of:

-Basically tunnels on Phily early.

Kre didn't tunnel on Phily. She asked questions about his behavior, he answered them, and then she concluded that it was a null tell and didn't press the issue. Phily got really defensive at this point with "Why would you even suspect me; I am not suspicious"-type posts, so Kre explained why his behavior had been worth looking into and reiterated that she thought it was null. This was a drawn-out affair, but it was Phily's defensiveness that made it so.

Kre and I pointed out as much, and you amended your criticism this way:

I'm not saying that looking at Phily was scummy. I'm saying that looking at ONLY Phily was scummy.

As I read this, it means that looking into Phily was OK, but tunneling on Phily wasn't. (Let me know if I'm interpreting your post incorrectly.) The problem with this is that Kre didn't tunnel.

[Kmd4390]

Who else did he look at in that time? If you can find me a post where he pays attention to someone else early in the game, I'll admit I was wrong. However, being wrong is NOT a misrep. And I didn't see anything to suggest I may be wrong.

[Iecerint]

Well, you were upset with his reasons for unvoting Tenchi, so that's the obvious place to look. There're three posts in his iso on the subject; he agrees with Batt's view that Tenchi was scummy for jumping wagons and follows up in two other posts until Tenchi starts lurking and he unvotes.

[Kmd4390]

That came later. Early on, he tunneled on Phily.

[Kmd4390]

Meh. Now that I think about it, while I don't think I'm wrong, it's a bad point. I do it as town all the time.

[Iecerint]

myko, you were in the WoT mini, right? Could you remind me of what your role was in that?

[mykonian]

myko, you were in the WoT mini, right? Could you remind me of what your role was in that?

uhm... I was town, but I went in and out. Tried to replace, but couldn't make it. Not proud of it, and it won't give you anything, I'm afraid.

[ZazieR]

1) Kmd4390 (2) - Kreriov, Mykonian

2) mykonian (5) - PhilyEc, Battousai, Mastin, Kmd4390, Gregory

3) Mastin
4) don_johnson (1) - Looker
5) Looker
6) Iecerint
7) MafiaMann
8) Kreriov
9) Tenchi (1) Iecerint
10) PhilyEc
11) Battousai (1) - Tenchi
12) Gregory (1) - Mafiamann

Not voting (2) - don_johnson

With 12 players alive, you''ll need 7 votes to lynch.
Green indicates closest to lynch.

Room 1: Male Restroom - Kmd4390, don_johnson

Room 2: ???
Room 3: Library - Mastin

Room 4: Hospital Room - Gregory, Looker, Iecerint

Room 5: ???

Room 6: Dark Room - Battousai
Room 7: Storage Room - PhilyEc, Mykonian
Room 8: Great Hall
Room 9: Bedroom - Kreriov
Room 10: Empty Room

Room 11: ???

Room 12: Crime Scene Room
Room 13: Exit Room

Room 14: ???
Room 15: ???
Room 16: ???

Black means that that the door is open.
Red means that the door is closed.
Room 14 is in darkred, as it's its door in a different room, which got locked by Iecerint. So nobody, except for Iecerint (who can't use his barcode on it) can get to this door. So nobody can open this door until Iecrint unlocks his door.
Then there's purple. Room 7 also had an extra door in it. This one was opened by Mykonian. As Mykonian didn't leave this room when PhilyEc closed Room 7 and as Mykonian's door isn't locked, both Mykonian and PhilyEc can still move between these two rooms.

Corridor - Tenchi, Mafiamann

NOTE: When you open a room, you''ll automatically enter it.

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