Newbie 814(over!)

[Meji Fan]

unvote, vote sam.samhorn

1. Mixed messages on the Vaya and Random Vote bit . . . first sam says 'People who see that as some sort of scumtell are scummy in themselves', then says doesnt think vaya is scum. Uhmm?

2. While sam doesnt like RVS, okay, but if your going to be different need to show an alternative approach. Sam has posted 5 times with anything resembling content . . . . and hasnt actually shown much in the way of scum hunting in that content . . . until we get to point 3

3. Sam asks to make a case against him!? What sort of weird town move is that, town should want the attention to focus on those they think are scummy . . . . but then, scum dont want to be focused on either. It doesnt make sense, pure WIFOM whackiness

[legomaniac1128]

I agree with Meji, but keeping my vote for the sake of random voting!!! If Sam has anything to say, it would be appreciated, so we can tell whose scum and who isn't.

Finger of Suspiscion: sam.samhorn

[Meji Fan]

Why do you agree with me, which of my points?

And if you think sam is more suspicious, why not vote sam? Or do you think randomness is better than your suspicions?

FoS legomaniac1128

[sam.samhorn]

unvote, vote sam.samhorn

1. Mixed messages on the Vaya and Random Vote bit . . . first sam says 'People who see that as some sort of scumtell are scummy in themselves', then says doesnt think vaya is scum. Uhmm?

2. While sam doesnt like RVS, okay, but if your going to be different need to show an alternative approach. Sam has posted 5 times with anything resembling content . . . . and hasnt actually shown much in the way of scum hunting in that content . . . until we get to point 3

3. Sam asks to make a case against him!? What sort of weird town move is that, town should want the attention to focus on those they think are scummy . . . . but then, scum dont want to be focused on either. It doesnt make sense, pure WIFOM whackiness

Wow, this is a good case for being this early in the game.

1. It's not a penultimate scum tell, people just tend to be scummier than normal when they do that, and I already placed most of my reasoning for not voting Vaya due to overanalyzing that post. There's a difference between scummy and overanalytical.

2. Nobody's made any posts regarding scumhunting until your post, so you'd have to fault everyone else for doing so as well.

3. I'm trying to generate town discussion here by asking people to make a case on me. Hopefully it works.

[hasdgfas]

legomaniac1128 (3) - atma, Vaya, itacv2
sam.samhorn (1) - Meji Fan
Meji Fan (2) - Brandor, legomaniac1128

Not Voting: sam.samhorn, GOTOR13, Evil Sonidow

9 alive, 5 to lynch

[atma]

unvote legomaniac1128

now is as good a time as any to take off my joke vote, no reason to give anyone a bunch of votes this early anyway.

[Meji Fan]

lego was only at L-2, in the amazingly hypothetical case where the 2 scum were not voting him, and then suddenly leap onto lego for a quicklynch, would be pretty much scum suicide

And atma, any comments on my case, sam's defense, whatever?

sam, Ill reply, but Im curious to see what others have to say first

[itacv2]

Whattttt?
Joke vote.

OMG. Im sorry guys but i must say that these two are in cahoots.

I think that Atma is trying to get attention of his mate lego, Why?

There was not so much pressure then, therefore no need to retract a vote without a good reason.
I think a first stage in the game is to see reactions and i must say that that is fairly suspicious even for an early stage.

Therefore guys i think we should pressure a bit more these two.

[Brandor]

Oh for the love of...

unvote, vote legomanic

there now can day 2 start?

[atma]

hey guys, I didn't take my vote off legomaniac because I was worried about him being lynched or anything, but simply because it was a joke vote and it had no valid reason anyway.

As for the case on sam,
1. I don't remember exactly what has been said, but if he has truly contradicted himself then I agree with this one.
2 & 3. For these points, obviously making no effort to scumhunt is a bit fishy, but in sam's defense, there has been such little content so far that is a bit hard to scumhunt at this point. I am glad sam decided to create some content, though I open to the possibilitiy that he did this as a guise to seem like a martyr.

to seriously put a vote down this early with this little content is just silly, in my opinion. we have until august right? surely we'll want to lynch someone by then, but I'm assuming we'll have some content to go off of by then.

[Evil Sonidow]

I'm not sure atma, I think August is too big of a deadline...Catching mafia requires discussing everybody's actions after one's death, and I don't think we'll be able to scumhunt effectively since it's hard to analyze behaviors without any evidence.

[Meji Fan]

Vaya?

[Vaya]

Since you asked, My thoughts on Meji's argument against samhorn.

1. I too did think that this was weird. Sam.samhorn, was there anything I said in particular that made you believe that I wasn't scum, but simply overanalytical?

2. Meji does have a point here too. It's one thing if sam.samhorn doesn't like random voting, but he hasn't done much of anything else to scumhunt in his own way. Maybe the same could be said of others, but at least their random voting has done something to get things going.

3. I do think it is a little odd that he said "make a case against me" instead of trying to make a case against someone else. Wouldn't you think the latter would be more helpful for tracking down scum, assuming he's town?

[Meji Fan]

Okay, my replies

1. Any suspicion is more than no suspicion, so if something of Vaya's is suspicious, and you have no specific reads on anyone else (if you do, they havent been articulated much), that would seem to make Vaya the lead suspicion wise

2. Myself and everyone else have been doing pretty much the expected make random votes and goof around part of starting up a game . . . . pretty much a null tell. You however have definitely deviated, and deviations can be suspicious

3. It seems a very odd way to go about it, but, true, it does seem to be stirring up discussion

[sam.samhorn]

Since you asked, My thoughts on Meji's argument against samhorn.

1. I too did think that this was weird. Sam.samhorn, was there anything I said in particular that made you believe that I wasn't scum, but simply overanalytical?

You've had other behaviors in this game that would imply to me that you are a bit overanalytical.

2. Meji does have a point here too. It's one thing if sam.samhorn doesn't like random voting, but he hasn't done much of anything else to scumhunt in his own way. Maybe the same could be said of others, but at least their random voting has done something to get things going.

3. I do think it is a little odd that he said "make a case against me" instead of trying to make a case against someone else. Wouldn't you think the latter would be more helpful for tracking down scum, assuming he's town?

I'm just trying to stimulate discussion, which I guess I did temporarily. I haven't done much of scumhunting yet because I haven't found much content to make a case on someone for, and I don't present a scumhunting case until I find that someone is scummy. 4 pages in isn't enough to do that.

[hasdgfas]

PROD DAY!

Prods for GOTOR13 and legomaniac1128

[Meji Fan]

This is the first game Ive been in Prod Day was celebrated

hey, I actually get to do something besides vote counts

[GOTOR13]

i am here and so i dont get replaced i am posting

[Meji Fan]

Maybe youd like to comment on something or such to?

[GOTOR13]

yeah i've just been busy

[legomaniac1128]

I'm here, but will busy until Friday. If I get lynched in that time, oh well. Sorry for being absent.b

[itacv2]

So no new information. I still think these two have something to hide.

[Meji Fan]

Can you make your case in more detail?

[legomaniac1128]

Certainly! I'm heading up to a cottage and won't be back until Friday. I'm leaving tomorrow. Sorry for the inconvience. I'm not busy next week though, so I'll be able to discuss things then.

[sam.samhorn]

yeah i've just been busy

OK then post something of substance or I'll vote for you.