Edited for noticability.Zmd wrote:JSCOPE AND NY ARE SCUM
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ZMD has given very weak, subjective reasons for suspecting nyballs. The fact that he is promoting them so highly makes me worry he’s trying to bus (that's speculation for tomorrow and doesn't increase my suspicion on ZMD today), or that he’s not trying to analyze posts, but either way ZMD looks bad.
His reasons for suspecting nyballs are:
1. They did not vote for anybody when A&B was lynched
2. They voted for Trotsky when he was lynched
Reason #1 is weak because A&B was lynched May 4, only two days after Nyballs entered the game as a replacement. It also occurred around page 4-5 where justification for voting was not that much. So ZMD’s vote on Orto, FD’s vote on PtA, Zaphod’s vote on Hogfather, or my vote on ZMD should be judged in the same way as someone who could have voted if able to.
Reason #2: If ZMD thinks at least 1 scum had to be on the Trotsky wagon, I don’t understand why his vote or Orto’s vote are off limits. Otherwise FD, nyball and PtA should be on level ground here.
And since ZMD said he didn't find nyballs' suspicious outside of voting, I am having a hard time understanding his confidence in putting nyballs and me on a marquee.
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I'd still like to see if the 1/2 active Zaphod can respond to the last page but otherwise I'm ready to vote.-
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Votecount as of post 451:
Zmd:4:Ortohoops, Frog Dodging, nyballosulgniirkps, PoketheAlpaca
J-Scope:1:Zmd,
Zaphod Beeblebrox:1:J-Scope,
not voting:3:Ojando, Zaphod Beeblebrox,
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@Zmd:why?
I'm not sure what to make of the flip flops. I don't think DGB is normal anyway. I don't really see a motive making them necessarily scummy, since they're not based on changing tendencies on general suspicion level or anything; they don't seem that opportunistic. Actually, unless Zaphod wants to stay out of a wagon she knows to be town but wants to feed it somehow. But that would just be, I don't know, pretty crude/obvious and not actually beneficial for self-preservance when done like this.Tajo wrote:You think Zaphod's flip flops are normal? Who do you think is scum?
Hah, this is probably going to sound questionable but this is where we're at regards the second question:
Ojanen thinks Zmd is likely scum/best lynch at this point. Sando finds Zmd scummy to a degree but has had higher suspicion for Zaphod. After coinciding though, as a hydra, we do support the Zmd lynch, which means we are also willing to deliver the hammer after hearing from the Zs. Not that meaningful though at this point whether it's J-scope or us.Ojanen+Sando-
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JScope, I'm a gut player. I don't find scum by analyzing posts. Your reason 1 and 2 are actually one reason. The vote analysis. The one analysis tool I've found useful in the past. And looking at the RW lynch strengthens the case on both you and ny (and Zaphod).
JScope is defending ny pretty strongly though. I'll be honest, it has me second guessing on the connection. Maybe it's JScope and one of Ojando/Ortohoops? But now I'm probably just thinking too much..
Ojando, JScope pretty much has to be scum. Why do I think so? Gut. Why do I want you to think so? Scummy voting record, pushed RW hard, playing similarly to Alpha.
If JScope survives to endgame, I'm gonna be pissed. They are obvscum.ZazieR + Kmd4390 = Zmd-
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Votecount as of post 455:
Zmd:5:Ortohoops, Frog Dodging, nyballosulgniirkps, PoketheAlpaca, J-Scope
J-Scope:1:Zmd,
not voting:2:Ojando, Zaphod Beeblebrox,
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not voting:2:Frog Dodging, J-Scope, nyballosulgniirkps, Ojando, Ortohoops, PoketheAlpaca, , Zaphod Beeblebrox,
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Vote: Zaphod
With the reasons I provided in an earlier post, and because this post looks scummy:
I can't really tell why they changed their position and they aren't trying to form a new one, instead asking someone else to come up with a suspect.Zaphod wrote:Zmd you're pulling at my heartstrings and now I think you're town again.
Who's the scum?
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Mod: can you prod Kison / nyballs?
I think the half-Zaphod is coming out of V/LA now.
@People re-reading: What in particular are you reading?
There's not much I'm learning from ZMD's gut opinions now that he's known town. I do agree on some of his rankings like in this post:
Except move nyballs below Ojando and Ortohoops because I don't have reason to place nyballs as scum currently, and my bad feelings about Ojando and Orto.ZMD wrote:I'd be ok lynching Zaphod or JScope. I'd be willing to lynch ny. I could compromise on Ojando or Ortohoops if needed. I will NOT vote FD or PtA (or myself obviously).
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I've got a bad feeling about Ojando recently that is mostly gut right now, but I am also concerned that they approached yesterday without very much electricity. To say it another way, they were more passive than aggressive even though they were torn between ZMD and Zaphod.
If they really couldn't decide the best lynch between themselves I'd expect them to work it out amongst themselves but also in the thread directed at ZMD and Zaphod. They did a little but without much passion. This is compared to the passion they had against RW.
@Ojando: Any reason why your confident style dropped between days 3 (RW) and 4 (ZMD/Zaphod)?
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I also have a bad feeling about Ortohoops and it starts with how long it took for them after shaft.ed died for them to comment on it or use that knowledge to scumhunt.
Their first post after the shaft.ed flip was almost 5 days but in that post they didn't mention shaft.ed at all. Not even to say they will go and look for connections, etc.
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If the no-kill is a byproduct of a roleblocker, someone knows who a scum is.J-Scope wrote:I think the no-kill could be the result of a power role, though there's nothing to indicate that either way.[i]"That's it,' said Zaphod with the sort of grin that would get most people locked away in a room with soft walls."[/i]-
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Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:Half-Zaphod is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!
I found this funny, is it just me?Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
THIS needs elucidation.Ojando wrote:There was no kill last game day.
I'm also currently trying to reread.
Am I right that the scum is lurking?
J-Scope, you're right, my (Sando) confidence was pretty battered, but it was Trotsky flipping SK that made me feel really stupid. I think I said that I couldn't work out how his comments made sense as either scum or town, and yet it still didn't click in my brain that he was an SK. It didn't really matter in game terms, but I felt like an idiot regardless, and missing something so obvious as that, combined with RW flipping doc didn't do good things to my confidence. Ojanen has done most of the posting since then, and is naturally more passive than I am. I just finished another game, and that gave me a lot of confidence, so I'm raring to go baby.
Pretty sure they meant this thread, would seem very odd to post that you're rereading a different game...J-Scope wrote:@People re-reading: What in particular are you reading?
Zaphod, what do you mean by the elucidation comment? Ojanen's post seems very clear to me, are you saying that it deserves more comment on how/why there was no kill, or are you actually asking for clarification of the post?
Zaphod, are you still basing you suspicions off whoever lurked and didn't? It was a pretty weak argument when you first brought it up and claimed that people lurking through a twilight with rule changes pending was scummy, and you seem to have backed off actually accusing anyone and just saying that scum are lurking, loosely based around no kill yesterday.Ojanen+Sando-
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It's interesting that you apparently agree with some of his rankings even though he has you as top 2/equal first in his suspects. You need to explain why you could both be town and he could have a similar mentality to you about finding the scum, but place you so highly in his suspects.J-Scope (463) wrote:There's not much I'm learning from ZMD's gut opinions now that he's known town. I do agree on some of his rankings like in this post:
Except move nyballs below Ojando and Ortohoops because I don't have reason to place nyballs as scum currently, and my bad feelings about Ojando and Orto.ZMD wrote:I'd be ok lynching Zaphod or JScope. I'd be willing to lynch ny. I could compromise on Ojando or Ortohoops if needed. I will NOT vote FD or PtA (or myself obviously).
If you re-read my subsequent posts you'll see you're entirely re-treading old ground. I made that post because I was in a rush to beat the prod, if you read my next post I addressed this point after Yos brought it up. When you say your bad feeling "starts" at that point- is there any more substance to it, or are you just re-treading the points Yos and PTA already made?J-Scope (463) wrote:I also have a bad feeling about Ortohoops and it starts with how long it took for them after shaft.ed died for them to comment on it or use that knowledge to scumhunt.
Their first post after the shaft.ed flip was almost 5 days but in that post they didn't mention shaft.ed at all. Not even to say they will go and look for connections, etc.
@Orto: Why didn't you acknowledge the flip in that first post?
The only really plausible explanation for the lack of a kill for me is roleblocker or doctor involvement. The only alternative is lazy scum or scum deliberately submitting a no kill. We already had a kill on Yoswen in the previous day after both SKs were dead which means we're not in some bizarre scenario with 2 mafia doctors or anything (if there were two mafia doctors neither could submit the kill).-
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It needs "elucidation" as in "solving the mystery of why there was no kill." No "clarification" is needed.Ojando wrote:Zaphod, what do you mean by the elucidation comment? Ojanen's post seems very clear to me, are you saying that it deserves more comment on how/why there was no kill, or are you actually asking for clarification of the post?
It's not a full and convincing argument, but a small point we may want to consider.Ojando wrote:Zaphod, are you still basing you suspicions off whoever lurked and didn't? It was a pretty weak argument when you first brought it up and claimed that people lurking through a twilight with rule changes pending was scummy, and you seem to have backed off actually accusing anyone and just saying that scum are lurking, loosely based around no kill yesterday.[i]"That's it,' said Zaphod with the sort of grin that would get most people locked away in a room with soft walls."[/i]-
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Waiting for Pokerface input to post. He was V/LAish until yesterday.
In the meantime:
Why is a roleblocker the first thing that comes to your mind?Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
If the no-kill is a byproduct of a roleblocker, someone knows who a scum is.J-Scope wrote:I think the no-kill could be the result of a power role, though there's nothing to indicate that either way.Call me Tajo.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12894
Coming summer 2010: Tajo's Starcraft Mafia.
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We lynched a doctor that was not counterclaimed. I suppose there are possibilities beyond roleblocker, but I was too intellectually lazy to think about them since we don't have claims out there.populartajo wrote:Why is a roleblocker the first thing that comes to your mind?[i]"That's it,' said Zaphod with the sort of grin that would get most people locked away in a room with soft walls."[/i]
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