Mini 807 - Save the Mafia! (Game Over!)

[ryan2754]

Sorry about my absence, certain RL issues have come to surface. I will catch up within the next couple of days, and will have a voting analysis in after that.
I will then finish what I set out to do in my last D1 post, pending what new things have surfaced since my absence. Again, sorry, but RL issues HAD me in a bind.

[PsychoSniper]

Vote count:

nohandtyper - 1 (qwints)
Starbuck – 1 (DeathRowKitty)
DeathRowKitty – 1 (xRECKONERx)


Not voting:

ryan2754, nohandtyper, Starbuck, My Milked Eek, canadianbovine, CoCo


About the prods......I do give a bit more leeway during weekends (counting them as 1 day). I did it for both wolframnhart and C_O before they were replaced.

Activity has been slow since Day 2 started. If this continues, I'll probably post a deadline by the end of this week......

[My Milked Eek]

MME, just a piece of advice. Use Notepad to write up your posts so you don't lose them to the internet.

I normally use Notepad++. But I didn't the other day.

Pretty much since I saw his placement on the main wagons D1, I started watching him. When I wasn't paying much attention to him, I got a major town read. Now that I'm paying closer attention, I'm seeing more scummy behavior.

Could you be a bit more specific please?

unvote: NHT

FoS: Eek

You promised posts.

I did post. And if you mean I didn't post last night then you're right, but seriously, you could've waited until my next post to see if its content was good or not. I said I was going to post at 11 pm last night, it's now 10 am. I took a day off today so I figured I could go to bed early last night and post today when rested.

Your fos reeks of a semi/pseudo omgus fos.
Are you fossing me because I fossed you over your uncommitted "suspicion and case" of/on me? It sure feels that you're using the lack of posts as a pretext. It was only 4 hours since the self imposed "deadline" was over.


Now I'll have some breakfast while I write up that post.

[stuntkeyboardist]

Just to get the ball rolling a bit, I'd like to ask everybody for a list of your scum v. town players. This should at least stir the pot.

Scum:
CB (You're beginning to make too many mistakes)
quints (didnt like your predecessor's actions, and I'm not liking yours)
CoCo (Still not believing your claim)
ryan (I'm not sure where to place you right now, but leaning more toward scum)

Town:
DRK (not a fan of your reasoning on the Starbuck vote though)
Starbuck (either you're really good at covering your predecessor's tracks, or you're pro-town. I'm thinking the later)
Reckoner (I believe the claim)
MME (While he doesnt post much and disappears often, I think he could be town)

[My Milked Eek]

>> canadianbovine

> PbP analysis

Post 00 - Confirms and informs everyone it's been a while.
Post 01 - ZIM talk with nohands
Post 02 - random votes nohands
Post 03 - stupid useless post
Post 04 - useless reply to a reply to the previous post
Post 05 - Moose post #1
Post 06 - Moose post #2
Post 07 - First interesting post. Unvoting nohands because of the pseudo-L-2.
Post 08 - Flavor discussion.
Post 09 - Re: Re: Flavor discussion. Interesting line is, as before;
"

So by your logic, my removing my vote proves my townness?

"
A bit too eager to be protown it seems to me.
Post 10 - The revote is, plain and simple, appeasing to the town, specifically cdb.
Post 11 - Bullcrap reason to vote nht. Go ahead, use the "rvs" card. It is a crap reason to revote him. The reason behind the revote was to appear more protown, otherwise you would not have asked "

So by your logic, my removing my vote proves my townness?

" in Post 09.
Post 12 - RVS post #1
Post 13 - RVS post #2 and "Let's post more" post # 1
Post 14 - Takes credit for "active spur op the topic", while it was actually just him posting about rvs stuff and his own actions. Makes a "lobster is lurking" comment.
Post 15 - Plan post.
Post 16 - EBWOP Plan post.
Post 17 - Talk about his random vote:
"

his answer probably will not help us. It will however satisfy me.

"
This seems contradictory. Or it would be to me. Are unhelpful answers in a game of mafia satisfying? I don't think so.
Post 18 - (paraphrased) "The rvs ended.

Unvote

." These kinds of posts are annoying. You lose 5 points for making it. You're also taking all the credit for the exit of the rvs. I think you should take this "wtf" and be happy with it.
Post 19 - nht votes cb. "

practically an omgus

". As said before: no omgus. Jusitified reason to vote cb.
Post 20 - One of the posts that originally pushed me in the VI direction.
Post 21 - Re: The Plan
Post 22 - Re: The Plan
Post 23 - "Lobster is appeasing" or lobster egging part 2.
Post 24 - Reply to my post. In retrospect, he doesn't properly answer why he was egging on lobster.
Post 25 - Correction of a post.
Post 26 - Adds another reason to why he revoted nht. "

... and keep pressure on him.

". As drk pointed out, there isn't much pressure at 2 votes. But the more suspicious act in this post is how you slip in that "reason" 15 somewhat posts after the revote and after some posts asking explanation.
Post 27 - Kitty's sig

was

annoying indeed.
Post 28 - Lobster did misread.
Post 29 - bovine trying to be attentive to slip ups coming from drk. I thought it was obvious what kitty intended and I can't help but feel you are actively looking for "slip ups".
Post 30 - Explains his "pressure" reason. He's talking out of his ass in this post so much he should've just stopped and said that he was bullshitting his way out of being suspected.
Post 31 - EBWOP 30^
Post 32 - Addresses his bandwagonners. Guess he hasn't been reading the thread.
Post 33 - Continues with his pressure reason.
Post 34 - A correct post. But it's just a recap of his own actions. Not with the consequences of them and conveniently forgetting the context they were in.
Post 35 - Admits that he revoted under "pressure". I wonder what pressure he meant. The "pressure" coming from cdb's questions or from the need to be (dare I say "desperately") perceived as town.
Post 36 - He doesn't really answer Kitty. Yes, scum talking more is good.
Post 37 - Uncommitted egging on wolf. Call him a lurker. It fitted the context.
Post 38 - A vote that came a post too late. And do I detect a slip up about cdb's alignment?
Post 39 - Interesting bit:
"

And now he's trying to deny he said anything about lobster lurking, when it seemed rather implied, otherwise he wouldnt of posted it.

"
So, bovine is playing the "they can't do what I'm doing" game. Or as a funny player in my first game said it: "When [bovine] does it, it's trivial details, but when others do it, he cannot let tells go by unnoticed".
I'm obviously referring to your lobster = lurking comment of Post 14.
Post 40 - This is true. Kitty is throwing around baseless assumptions.
Post 41 - VLA notice
Post 42 - Answers to kitty. Uninteresting post. The context and intentions were clear, kitty is just asking to be asking.
Post 43 - Looks like he found his slip up. Votes for qax.
Post 44 - Correct and obvious interpretation of reckoners appeal to emotion.
Post 45 - Flavor quote to discard reckoners claim.
Post 46 - Flavor discussion.
Post 47 - He returns, jumps on the coco bandwagon.
Post 48 - interpreted as "let's do coco and have night, gogogo"
Post 49 - bovine: stating the obvious since '92
Post 50 - Conveniently forgetting the replacement and the replacee share the same role: there can be some kind of explanation. Unless you don't want one of course.
Post 51 - Feels a lot like jumping the wagon. Would bovinescum do this? Sure, pushing claims is always a nice for scum. Which this is.
Post 52 - HOLY OBVIOUSNESS BATMAN
Post 53 - Yeah, they do.
Post 54 - I understand it was a big day, but pushing for the end of the day is dodgy. Especially when repeated.
Post 55 - Must be why you only brought up two of them.
Post 56 - Ok, so you've found one contradiction in reckoners posting. A rather obvious one. But to claim "you're getting sick of them" is a bit too far. Especially if that's the only one you're bringing up.
Post 57 - Another "let's end D1" comment.
Post 58 - Nothing of much value here.
Post 59 - Thanks prof. bovine.
Post 60 - "The others did the same as me, why are you looking at me?" in other words, attention diversion. Another 'let's end the day' comment.
Post 61 - Defense against wicked's accusations. Makes valid points.
Post 62 - lol
Post 63 - Egging on wolf.
Post 64 - Egging on wolf (cont.)
Post 65 - Good defense. But you couldn't resist on the lobster egging.
"

lobster, wicked, and kitty. no particular order. i'm almost sure that at least one of you is scum.

"
So, do you still feel that way? If so, where's the kitty vote?
Post 66 - The vla talk is getting ridiculous. Not talking about bovine, but the others (wicked).
Post 67 - Irrelevant old game chatter.
Post 68 - Not sure why he's replying here...
Post 69 - Not sure what you're saying here.
Post 70 - You want dogpiling on wicked? (being very suggestive here :p)
Post 71 - Meta-talk. Meh.
Post 72 - All hail the minimod.
Post 73 - Mission Accomplished?
Post 74 - No he isn't
Post 75 - Contextual sketch. An irrelevant one though.
Post 76 -
Post 77 - >_>
post 78 - <_<

Day 2

Post 79 - Obvious and expected play. I can see bovinescum trying to push an nht wagon.
Post 80 - Have you not been reading the thread?
Post 81 - Calling me out. Only me. Also, call a cat a cat please. You're being too cautious not using the word "lurker".
Post 82 - Must be why you called only me out.
Post 83 - I don't see the buddying. As said before, I interprete it as bovine being scared of a connection with nht or that others might have noticed the "buddying".
Post 84 - I see backtracking.
Post 85 - Gee, playing with bovine is awesome. He first accuses you and then backtracks so much he even jumps to your defense using your own meta vs his own accusations. Know what you want, bovine.
Post 86 - Are long days really that annoying? They are only annoying to reread, not to continue playing.
Post 87 - Were you not accusing several people? You did not create a bandwagon. And I think you're afraid of appearing to be pushing one.
Post 88 - As we say in dutch, call a cat a cat: are you saying coco and nht are scumpartners? This constant egging and implying of yours should end.
Post 89 - I still don't get this. First you say you created the wagon, now you're afraid of one? Did/do you honestly think that I would've been lynched without some form of explanation?
post 90 - Still don't get it.
Post 91 - It's not buddying, regardless of your feelings. I don't think anyone sees it as such.
Post 92 - Explained before: information.
[ul=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 19#1763019]Post 93[/url] - Yes. And it's not a "get out of jail free" card.
Post 94 - Look above. There's a recent example.
Post 95 - Gogogo bovinepressure! At least wait until my next post.

> thoughts

I feel bovine is most likely to be scum on my list. He's been egging on lobster and wolf in more posts than I like, backtracking out of a few suspicions he's made (even going as far as defending his accused ones), been adding bullshit reasons in his defense as he goes, been wanting to end D1 during its second half, is afraid of bandwagons forming, does not commit to his accusations...

I'm going to

Vote: canadianbovine

for all of the above.

I need to run to the store now and then I

need

, yes need, to go to the bar. I'll be back tonight. Typing the above took longer than expected, but it is what I really wanted to post today. There is some other stuff as well, but that's not as important as this.

Later.

[My Milked Eek]

NHT: I'll do that list after I posted the rest. If you don't mind.

[stuntkeyboardist]

That's fine MME. two very different timezones. You're pretty much posting while I'm asleep and vice-versa.

While I did put CB on my scum list, your reference to his post 65 really stood out to me. One of the three had to be scum, but to not go after that third person, the ONLY ONE LEFT, of your definite scum strikes me as a bit odd. I really would like to know where you stand on that CB. I'm far from against your lynch today.

[canadianbovine]

That's fine MME. two very different timezones. You're pretty much posting while I'm asleep and vice-versa.

While I did put CB on my scum list, your reference to his post 65 really stood out to me. One of the three had to be scum, but to not go after that third person, the ONLY ONE LEFT, of your definite scum strikes me as a bit odd. I really would like to know where you stand on that CB. I'm far from against your lynch today.

other things have come up this day. So far, i've placed a vote on you for the quickhammer, and i asked Eek to post more.

I haven't gotten a solid read on the Kitty today.

[stuntkeyboardist]

I haven't gotten a solid read on the Kitty today.

Doesnt matter what you got today. His role doesnt change. What;s your read on him based on the game as a whole?

[My Milked Eek]

I haven't gotten a solid read on the Kitty today.

Doesnt matter what you got today. His role doesnt change. What;s your read on him based on the game as a whole?

Indeed.

Somewhat of a reply to my bigass post would have been appreciated as well, bovine.

[Starbuck]

I think replies to all my big ass posts would be appreciated too.

[My Milked Eek]

I guess you're more right than I was. lol

Can I get off for now by saying that I'll reply later tonight/tomorrow and that I don't have any problems with them upon a superficial skimread?

[stuntkeyboardist]

I'm not gonna lie, it feels like everybody's given up on this game.It's a shame too. Quints, I want a post from you now. You said a few days ago that we would get one later.

Vote: quints

I'm getting sick of it. Actually play.

[stuntkeyboardist]

Mod, I really think we need a change of the prod rule

[xRECKONERx]

I really really really really like bovinescum.

[CoCo]

I haven't given up on this game. I've been busy IRL.

Scum:
Quints (comes and goes, mostly with "catching up, be back later")
CB (I thought he was town Day 1, but his play Day 2 is scummy as hell)
Ryan (same as Quints)

Scum/Neutral:
DRK (still unsure here; some posts seem town, some appear scummy)
NHT (I think its odd you're the only one unconvinced by my claim and I was roleblocked; I'm not ruling out a connection)

Town/Neutral:
MME (comes and goes, but adds useful content)
Starbuck (adds helpful analysis)

Town:
Reckoner (I believe his claim)

[CoCo]

None of those names are in any particular order within each category.

Vote CB.

[xRECKONERx]

Scum:
Quints (lurking)
CB (obviously; see PBPA)
DRK (too bandwagon-happy)

Neutral:
Ryan (hasn't contributed anything)
NHT (Hammered D1, among other things, but still gives me a neutral read somehow)

Town:
MME (despite me pushing a case on him earlier, I get a town vibe)
Starbuck (the only replacement to do anything of worth, and has contributed a lot)

[xRECKONERx]

Also, I know it's not helpful to do setup speculation, but what are standard scumteam numbers in a game this size?

[CoCo]

Also, I know it's not helpful to do setup speculation, but what are standard scumteam numbers in a game this size?

At a guess, I'd say three.

[Starbuck]

I haven't given up dammit!

We need to get some more active players though.

[xRECKONERx]

So... if we don't hit scum today, that means if I kill tonight and scum kills tonight, we're at LyLo tomorrow?

[canadianbovine]

start time 1:17

>> canadianbovine

> PbP analysis

discussion. Interesting line is, as before;
"

So by your logic, my removing my vote proves my townness?

"
A bit too eager to be protown it seems to me.

this is what i was replying to

Why so scared of Lynch-2 right now? At this stage of the game a scum quicklynch would be utterly transparent, suicidally so from a scum point of view.

I was confused by what he was saying with his logic. I was trying to see if i understood what he said, and he corrected me next post

Post 10 - The revote is, plain and simple, appeasing to the town, specifically cdb.

-sigh- i thought its been stated that i did misread the vote count. I dont know why I had, but I did.

Post 11 - Bullcrap reason to vote nht. Go ahead, use the "rvs" card. It is a crap reason to revote him. The reason behind the revote was to appear more protown, otherwise you would not have asked "

So by your logic, my removing my vote proves my townness?

" in Post 09.

-this is me using the rvs card- If i hadnt unvoted NHT for my mixup, i wouldnt of unvoted him for a while.

/viewtopic.php?p=1716696#1716696]Post 17[/url] - Talk about his random vote:
"

his answer probably will not help us. It will however satisfy me.

"
This seems contradictory. Or it would be to me. Are unhelpful answers in a game of mafia satisfying? I don't think so.

The "satisfying" thing was not meant to be serious. Of course the answer of NHT and what body part he types with will not benefit town, scum, serial killers, cops, doctors, or millers.

Post 18 - (paraphrased) "The rvs ended.

Unvote

." These kinds of posts are annoying. You lose 5 points for making it. You're also taking all the credit for the exit of the rvs. I think you should take this "wtf" and be happy with it.

What is my point count anyway? probably about -30 or so.

Post 20 - One of the posts that originally pushed me in the VI direction.

i dont know how many times i need to reiterate the point of i had miscounted the number of votes needed for a lynch, and the number of votes on NHT.

Post 23 - "Lobster is appeasing" or lobster egging part 2.

Think what you want to think but it was apperant that lobsters "slow vote change" was brought on by CDB and others who questioned him about it.

Post 26 - Adds another reason to why he revoted nht. "

... and keep pressure on him.

". As drk pointed out, there isn't much pressure at 2 votes. But the more suspicious act in this post is how you slip in that "reason" 15 somewhat posts after the revote and after some posts asking explanation.

i have no comment.

Post 29 - bovine trying to be attentive to slip ups coming from drk. I thought it was obvious what kitty intended and I can't help but feel you are actively looking for "slip ups".

At risk of saying something that will classify me as even more of a Village Idiot. It's the small things that people slip up on saying that get people caught as scum.

Post 30 - Explains his "pressure" reason. He's talking out of his ass in this post so much he should've just stopped and said that he was bullshitting his way out of being suspected.

Is it not true that even some votes can keep one pressured?

Post 35 - Admits that he revoted under "pressure". I wonder what pressure he meant. The "pressure" coming from cdb's questions or from the need to be (dare I say "desperately") perceived as town.

i had said the hypocritically appeasing / voting under the spotlight before. Being perceived as town is an important need for every player, town or scum.

Post 36 - He doesn't really answer Kitty. Yes, scum talking more is good.

Yeah unless the past 4 lynches/near lynches have all been town. Everyone under pressure becomes more suspicious because they start talking more and more. Yes i am including my near lynch there. I am that arrogant at this point.

Post 38 - A vote that came a post too late. And do I detect a slip up about cdb's alignment?

Which slip up is that? The fact that i believed he was town?

Post 39 - Interesting bit:
"

And now he's trying to deny he said anything about lobster lurking, when it seemed rather implied, otherwise he wouldnt of posted it.

"
So, bovine is playing the "they can't do what I'm doing" game. Or as a funny player in my first game said it: "When [bovine] does it, it's trivial details, but when others do it, he cannot let tells go by unnoticed".
I'm obviously referring to your lobster = lurking comment of

Because im not going to point out my own inepts. If people are going to call me out for something and not call someone else out for the same thing? Wheres the equalness in that. I have the power to voice my opinion.

Post 41 - VLA notice

Glad to see the post was readable and it was actually Wicked not reading the thread.

Post 43 - Looks like he found his slip up. Votes for qax.

No one else agreed with me, that player is still in the game, and one of the "catchups".

Post 44 - Correct and obvious interpretation of reckoners appeal to emotion.
Post 45 - Flavor quote to discard reckoners claim.
Post 46 - Flavor discussion.

It may of been obvious, but it had to be stated.

When reckoner said he was a vig and i remembered the flavor, i was about to go apeshit cause i thought i caught scum.

Post 49 - bovine: stating the obvious since '92

'92? Obvious things need to be pointed out, because some times things are overlooked like that.

Post 52 - HOLY OBVIOUSNESS BATMAN
Post 55 - Must be why you only brought up two of them.
Post 56 - Ok, so you've found one contradiction in reckoners posting. A rather obvious one. But to claim "you're getting sick of them" is a bit too far. Especially if that's the only one you're bringing up.

I don't appreciate you stating my contradiction things as obvious. Why didn't you bring them up, wise overseer. nobody else brought them up. and the whole thing was contradicted twice, including after i stated he had contradicted himself.

Post 60 - "The others did the same as me, why are you looking at me?" in other words, attention diversion. Another 'let's end the day' comment.

Yes but wicked was also pointing fingers at lobster because of same reasons, somehow segway'ing it to me.

I seriously thought that wicked was scum, with lobster as a partner, and using his partner as a way to end up at a conclusion of lynching me, made no sense, and since both of them died as town, im unsure of where to go next.


I'm going to stop this right about here, i've been doing this for an hour, and am brain dead.

One thing i can say about Kitty right now.

When i posted that lobster, wicked, and kitty were my top 3 i imagined a team.

Seeing as how 2 of the 3 "team members" have flipped town, am i ready to make a case on kitty?

[canadianbovine]

oh end time 2:12. it was an exact hour.

[Starbuck]

Scum:
CB - refer to my big posts =)
DRK - very weak vote on myself


Suspicions:
Ryan - hasn't really contributed anything, constant RL excuses
Qwints - the constant lurking does not help, too many promises of catching up

Town:
MME - despite me pushing a case on him earlier, I get a town vibe
NHT - hammered without a claim on Day 1, but other than that I have read as pro-town

Neutral:
xRECKONERx - I seriously have not been able to get a read on him. I've pointed out his scumminess in my big posts but he also has had the same amount of pro-townness about him.
CoCo - Refer to my big posts



I think that DRK's vote on me is just too weak to withstand anything, and on top of his other scummy behavior, it doesn't help him at all.

CB and DRK have been pretty scummy in my opinion. Ryan and Qwints are only close because of their lack of posting.