Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[VP Baltar]

haha, that makes a lot more sense now.

@CKD-yeah yeah I get your point. I should have remembered that. I'm not going to try and excuse it now.

[Kmd4390]

ha

Kise, Emerald Townie - Slaughtered Night One

it means he's not paying attention and not part of the group whose kill m.o. is "slaughtered"

We were talking about Mafia 91.

[Kmd4390]

@CKD-yeah yeah I get your point. I should have remembered that. I'm not going to try and excuse it now.

Wait, what?

[Kmd4390]

Oh, shit. Kise, not Empking. My bad. Forget that.

[curiouskarmadog]

ha

Kise, Emerald Townie - Slaughtered Night One

it means he's not paying attention and not part of the group whose kill m.o. is "slaughtered"

We were talking about Mafia 91.

we were talking about mafia 96.

[curiouskarmadog]

damn xpost....ok..done typing..will check one more time before vacation.

[VP Baltar]

Glanced over this game of Mastin as scum.

What is interesting to note here is how much he buddies with his scum buddies and never really asks them any questions that would be construed as serious scum hunting. This is especially true of Acemarksman and Zazier.

Furthermore, his obsessive tunneling in that game (mostly on mykonian) is reminiscent of how he went after Khan and now myself.

I'll look over some of his town games for comparison tonight before I file these as Mastin scumtells.

[Faraday]

t;]

I don't think Ckool is mafia with Zazie, she said he was town, but didn't seem too concerned about him getting lynched, perhaps wanting to make herself look good if he came up town? Also note it was her "gut" that told her ckool was town, this leaves loads of wiggle room to switch her opinions.

interesting comment. I am not sure how you are making this judgment. There are thousands of possibilities as to why someone might do something. To right someone off just because of what you have stated thus far seems off.

Well yeh, there are loads of posibillites as to why someone would do anything. But I thought what I suggested was most likely, given the way it played out. I mean there are loads of posibillites as to why people do everything.

I'm not writing him off, just because of this either, I thought Ckool seemed town based on my previous experience of playing with him.

Also weekend, so I'll have little time to post.

what is this previous experience?

Played a newbie game with him, where he played pretty badly and was mislynched.
I've linked it in one of my posts since someone, zazie i think, asked about it.

[Wickedestjr]

You know what amazes me? ZazieR has been posting a majority of the posts on the last few pages, and she hasn't gotten a single fos or anything... Of course, there's not much about her posts that could really seem suspicious... For a second, I thought I was on a roll with my thought process, but I'm not even really sure what I'm saying now..

Do people that post a lot have to be given FoSs? If you notice that nobody is looking at a person's posts, then why don't you?

[Wickedestjr]

I've learned my lesson about Faraday, since I kept repeated that I thought he was town in my first game even though he was scum.

No offense, but that is the stupidest reason ever. Looks to me like you are trying to please Faraday, or you two are scumbuddies. Not really sure which possibility I'm leaning toward if one of these two is the case. Ckool wouldn't that mean that you would suspect faraday a little bit more? If not, then you obviously didn't learn your lesson.

[Wickedestjr]

Yeah Faraday... But your posts in general seem so town, that it's hard to find you scummy... If that's not redundant..... I guess what it really is is that there's nothing in your posts that can be considered scummy, as far as I can tell.... Hmm.... Does that make you scummy?

Ckool how similarly is faraday acting compared to the other game you played with him in? If his posts seem so town, then that might mean you are not reading deep enough into his posts. Reading deep into people's posts is how you catch the scum.

[Wickedestjr]

After reading the first 44 pages, I am still not sure who I want to lynch. There are a few people who I am getting scum reads from, but some of which I am waiting until I have a bit more information before I accuse them. For now;

Vote: ckool5000

-He is not helping us scumhunt much.
-Some of his reasoning is bad.
-He may be a Vermillion along with Zaz.
-I would like to pressure him.

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked is apparently turning into Mastin redux.

Hey somebody's gotta comment on Mastin's posts.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl and Namtam, what are you opinions on ckool?

Haven't read ckool yet. This post is to remind myself to do so when I have time.

[Xylthixlm]

i'm still paranoid about people attempting to save mastin. however, i'm virtually positive baltar is town so his attempt to get the alternative wagon going isn't as unsettling as kmd's.

^ this is town-roflcopter to my eye

[Wickedestjr]

Rofl, more organized version of my case that I found by viewing my own posts:
-lurked

true

-only went after easy targets

false

-predetermined who was votable a little early

your opinion

-Declared Khan town on next to nothing, very early in the game

wrong

-buddies to Khan by giving him and award for "knowing what to do".

wrong

-Wrong on Mastin's vote. He called it OMGUS, not a policy miller vote.

wrong

-Takes the easy Mastin vote, apparently knowing his meta

wrong

-Comment on the NK

what about it

-threatened to vote MM over asking for reasons for your vote

what about it

my comments in bold. this still looks like a lurker hunt when you could be going after mastin, who you've already admitted you find scummy.

1 is true, i lurked

Why did you feel the need to lurk? Forgive me if you've already answered this, but don't you think it would be better for the town if you gave opinions as often as possible?

2 is false, my targets weren't "easy" they were scummy. and you can hardly call going after hayker and mastin easy now that kmd is riding my case about it. almost makes them seem like they're all connected.

Do you think hayker would be an easy target? Why? Do you think Mastin would be an easy target? Why?

3 is completely subjective. "a little early" is a pile of crap when it comes to calling something scummy. it is 100% kmd's opinion, not fact.

I'll let Kmd answer this first, as it is adressed to him.

4 again with the "early in the game" bullshit. and i didn't declare him town on "next to nothing," i gave a very detailed explanation for why i was declaring him town.

I agree with Kmd here. You hadn't seen many of Khan's posts, before you assumed that he was town. The only evidence was Khan's miller claim, and that it was the best thing for him to do. However, this is not enough evidence, because as you can see in one of the games that Zaz referenced, their were mafia members that claimed miller, so Khan could easily be a mafia member that claimed miller. Until you can show how Khan's posts give you a town read on him, I am not convinced.

5 kmd seems to be simultaneously arguing that i shouldn't have declared khan town, while saying that i'm buddying to him, an action which would only be scummy if

khan is town

. pick a side ass hat.

*Stares at Kmd waiting for a reply*

6 actually i don't even remember what this one is referring to in particular, but its obviously a backhanded defense of mastin again. mastin was doing exactly what zazie was doing yesterday, going after the claimed miller and ignoring most everything else. look what zazie flipped.

This is a good point.

HoS: Mastin

7 again, what about it?

*Stares at Kmd again waiting for a reply*

8 again, what about it?

Kmd can you elaborate on point eight, I don't understand it either.

[Wickedestjr]

rofl, at this point, do you feel ckool is scum or town?

having just skimmed his contribution, scum. if this mastin wagon doesn't work out i'll switch, but mastin is a higher priority. he's got the rb claim shenanigans that he's continuing to push crap theories based on.

Funny that you mention your suspicion of ckool now.

FoS: rofl

[Wickedestjr]

yeah mastin and ckool are both probably scum, but mastin is worlds more likely to be a mafia power role

Did you change your opinion about Hayker?

[Wickedestjr]

I would tend to agree with that theory, but is it worth risking a potential town PR this early in the game?

Just curious, how long would we keep a claimed PR in the game, if they were acting scummy?

[Wickedestjr]

I would tend to agree with that theory, but is it worth risking a potential town PR this early in the game?

yes. his continued insistence that he's blocked some fantasy fourth kill source both nights means that a) he's almost certainly not town and b) if he is town, he's only going to detrimentally lead us on wild goose chases

How important do you think a roleblocker is in comparison to other PRs?

[Kmd4390]

Wicked, I already answered all of the things you mentioned. Why are you using Zazie's post-style anyway?

[Xylthixlm]

Wicked, I already answered all of the things you mentioned.

Link/post #?

[Kmd4390]

Post 1138.

[Kmd4390]

and the discussion continues after that.

[Xylthixlm]

But the

town

scum

perspective is that you don't want to "clear"

scum

town

, so you do everything you can to question someone being confirmed before you treat them as such.

Fixed.