Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[Kmd4390]

so far your case on me is uninspiring

Elaborate.

[Hayker]

so far your case on me is uninspiring

Rofl. Why is it tht you don't have to make a case, on people, yet you expect others to make inspiring cases?

[Namttam]

Vote: VP Baltar

[Namttam]

Phail.

Vote: VP Baltar

[Xylthixlm]

Phail.

Vote: VP Baltar

Still phail, you typoed "VP Baltar" for "Mastin".

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #31=-

Mastin (3) - roflcopter, Xylthixlm, Kublai Khan
roflcopter (2) - Hayker, Kmd4390
VP Baltar (2) - Mastin, Namttam
Hayker (1) - Lowell
ckool5000 (1) - VP Baltar

Not Voting (8) - Achilles, ckool5000, curiouskarmadog, Empking's Alt, Faraday, molestargazer, SerialClergyman, Wickedestjr

9 to lynch.

[roflcopter]

so far your case on me is uninspiring

Elaborate.

i remember nothing of it beyond "he lurked."

[Kmd4390]

Rofl, more organized version of my case that I found by viewing my own posts:
-lurked
-only went after easy targets
-predetermined who was votable a little early
-Declared Khan town on next to nothing, very early in the game
-buddies to Khan by giving him and award for "knowing what to do".
-Wrong on Mastin's vote. He called it OMGUS, not a policy miller vote.
-Takes the easy Mastin vote, apparently knowing his meta
-Comment on the NK
-threatened to vote MM over asking for reasons for your vote

[Hayker]

I'd also liek to say that rofl has ignored every single one of my questions.

[Xylthixlm]

So far this fits roflcopter's town play.

[Kmd4390]

Hayker, that too.

Xyl, people keep saying that. I don't understand why this is town play though. How is it different from his scum play?

[curiouskarmadog]

Xyl, people keep saying that. I don't understand why this is town play though. How is it different from his scum play?

it is not (pro)town play....I have never played with him as scum....

[Kublai Khan]

Adherence to meta-prisons is such a stupid reason to suspect people.

I agree with some of Kmd4390's reasons for suspecting roflcopter, and he(roflcopter) should be pressured at some point today to offer better analysis.

But right now Mastin is the scummiest.

[roflcopter]

Rofl, more organized version of my case that I found by viewing my own posts:
-lurked

true

-only went after easy targets

false

-predetermined who was votable a little early

your opinion

-Declared Khan town on next to nothing, very early in the game

wrong

-buddies to Khan by giving him and award for "knowing what to do".

wrong

-Wrong on Mastin's vote. He called it OMGUS, not a policy miller vote.

wrong

-Takes the easy Mastin vote, apparently knowing his meta

wrong

-Comment on the NK

what about it

-threatened to vote MM over asking for reasons for your vote

what about it

my comments in bold. this still looks like a lurker hunt when you could be going after mastin, who you've already admitted you find scummy.

[Kmd4390]

That's a bullshit "defense" and you know it.

[Xylthixlm]

Hayker, that too.

Xyl, people keep saying that. I don't understand why this is town play though. How is it different from his scum play?

Based on what I recall from going over a few of his scum games, he tends to explain what he's doing more when he's scum.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, people keep saying that. I don't understand why this is town play though. How is it different from his scum play?

it is not (pro)town play....I have never played with him as scum....

It's an extreme gut-based playstyle. It's not unreadable, you just need to read it differently.

[SerialClergyman]

Based on what I recall from going over a few of his scum games, he tends to explain what he's doing more when he's scum.

QED'd, bitches! Sorry, but that's not exactly hugely comforting evidence. How would you read him if he was scum?

Namttam - why the VP vote? Did Zazie's flip surprise you or influence your decision in any way?

Hayker - what questions has rofl not answered? Who are your suspects?

Mastin - Where did you go? You're officially under suspicion, which should mean you're getting your jollies off and writing pages upon pages of material.

[Xylthixlm]

Based on what I recall from going over a few of his scum games, he tends to explain what he's doing more when he's scum.

QED'd, bitches! Sorry, but that's not exactly hugely comforting evidence. How would you read him if he was scum?

If he was scum and

not

explaining what he's doing? I'd look for a few things. You need a high tolerance for suspicion to pull off that playstyle, so I'd look for evidence that he cares if people find his playstyle scummy. I'd also look for signs that he's holding back opinions or lurking more than normal. And I normally have

some

idea what he's thinking, so I'd get worried if I didn't have any.

[SerialClergyman]

How do you categorise his posts about KK, detailing why it's a bad idea to lynch the claimed miller. They are probably his most verbose contribution to the game, do you think that counts as explaining what he's doing? (not trying to get in your face, genuine question. I know rofl's meta hides his alignment but it's about time we looked at people like rofl, empking's alt, lowell etc who are coasting without much in the way of suspicion based on meta.)

[Mastin]

I *hate* bad timing.
Will be V/LA for most of the weekend, due to camping.
Still *counts* 10 pages behind; talking this much doesn't help me catch up. <_<
(But, on a side-note, don't stop. I like the pace. Even if it makes it miserable to catch up, at least the game isn't dragging.)

[Wickedestjr]

re: mastin being interested when suspected--this is horrible play if it is true. It is essentially saying that you want to draw town focus away from actual scumhunting because it's more entertaining for you personally.

I do better scum hunting when I'm having fun. (Reference: Beard Mafia, I was bored.)

So are you saying you would rather have fun, then catch scum? If you think this game isn't fun unless you are being suspected, then why are you playing?

i was in amnesiac mafia where baltar was scum, and i think he's town here)

How much of Amnesiac Mafia did you think VP was town, though, rofl?

Most likely most of it.

Where is Amnesiac Mafia?

Whoops. Heh, heh. People can ignore the VP comments above; I already commented on them way back here.

Then why did you include it in this post? Don't you think we read that post already? Or do you know that not many people read your posts?

Why were you addressing just Zaz, Wicked?
I seem to recall other instances of this as well.
Possible scum team?

If Zaz had not died, than I probably wouldn't have answered this question, but I asked Zaz for her opinion because I thought you and her were scumbuddies. I still kind of get that feeling though.

If my kill fails, I panic. It means something went wrong, be it doctor (clearing the person protected, in some instances), or roleblocker.

Yeah, but I still don't see why that would make him panic. If VP and Lowell really are his partners, then how come they didn't seem to panic in any way.

I don't like your first two examples of breadcrumbs because you claimed a bunch of different things at the same time (which I definitely felt that if you were scum you were going to refer to when you claimed).

Eh, there are many more breadcrumbs; I love 'crumbing. Those were just the earliest ones. I always include my actual role in my early-on breadcrumbs, 'cept if I'm 'Nilla, in which case, I'll throw in everything plus some.

Do you have any other games for reference?

Mastin, I think you are forgetting that we have lives. We can't comment on everything that you say, otherwise, we would be extremely behind in the game.

Of course not. I don't expect everyone to do this.
I do, however, expect those who attack me to do that.

Again, those who attack you have lives too.

1: Well your not right all the time.

True, true, I was wrong in 141 about Nabakov, but other than that, my record's fairly solid.

Do you know when you are saying something wrong?

But who were you "trapping" in this case anyway?

Khan. When testing his claim.

Still plan on giving the results?

First you say that you never rolefish, and then you don't even defend yourself, but instead point out something anti-town that you did that you admit seems anti-town. In case you don't know what I mean, you pointed out that it was anti-town to give the scum more information then they already have, but asking for more flavor in a role claim does give them more information in case they were planning on role claiming in the future.

Like I said, Khan's claim made me think of a theory on that matter.

Do you plan on giving that theory any time soon?

If you think there are points that absolutely can't be skipped then bold them or point them out at the end.

Or size thirty it.

...or size thirty it. BTW, have you always been making the important bits size thirty?

Vote MafiaMann
Previously stated case, plus his unvote of Mastin without any sort of question or reasoning doesn't strike me hard as coming from town.

I need to look over my exchange with him again after this whole mastin sideroad.

Heh. Note how Mafia flipped town.
Wonder where he'll go, now?
After me, hoping that he can get me lynched?

Maybe Hayker, who has gained rather some amount of suspicion?

I have a feeling Hayker will be with us day 3.

The ones in the RVS were a) in the RVS, which you tell us to dismiss as you joking around,

Well, yea, I tell people to dismiss my RVS claims in order to prevent them from figuring out my role. I always put my real role in there, somewhere. But because I purposefully make it harder on people, it's best to ignore them and only pay attention when I DO claim.

Hmm... I just noticed that that gives you a lot of choices for an rc when you really needed one.

and b) far too vague.

I claimed roleblocker in my first post. <_<
(Sure, it was Mafia Roleblocker, but still, roleblocker)
That's not vague at all. :/

You might as well just name all the mafia roles in your first post and claim you are all of them.

If Khan was scum and had a few partners in crime, then you are assuming that he made the kill?

What's to say he hasn't?

Well, since we are sure that there are two killing factions and probably a vig, we know Khan isn't the vig, or else he wouldn't have claimed vig, so the chance of him submitting one of the two kills would be 1/12 (2 out of 24). The same chances apply of Lowell submitting a kill, except it is 2/20 or 1/10. So the chance of you stopping both kills is 1/12 times 1/10 which is 1/120. That is really small. I know that you were sure about Lowell, but that doesn't make the chances much smaller in my opinion. Mastin, if you think Lowell, VP, and KK make up one scum group, then who do you think makes up the other group?

You seem to be pretty sure about that.

And fortunately, I am alive, VP was wrong. (Maybe setting up wifom for today, "He claimed PR and lived; he's scum!")

If you are scum then there is at least one other scum group. I don't see why they'd keep you alive, unless they felt you'd be getting lynched.

If so, then do it if you haven't.

PBPA's take time.
Time means not getting caught up.

I think that there are lots of people that would rather have the PBPA.

Nope, it was indeed, fishing for flavor.

Fishing for flavor from Khan (darn, broke the alliteration. ) equals trapping him. If he answers incorrectly to the "flavor fish", he's scum. Correctly, he's less likely to be scum.

Well, until I am satisfied with the results of your trap, I am going to think that it was flavor fishing. So, I am still waiting on those results.

And for the most part it's been the ONLY logic that Mastin has used to defend himself. When someone questions him on it, Mastin resorts to simply repeating himself (and the aforementioned brow-beating) until people stop questioning him (Another fallacious way of arguing: Argument ad nauseam)

Thing is,

I give proof.
I show why the accusations against me are false, giving in-game proof to show why.

To further back the point up, I give examples of me having done the same thing as a pro-town player, confirming once and for all that it is true.

I answer every question directed at me with in-game proof,
And then give metagaming examples to back the statement up further.

What's the problem with that?

There is no problem with that, but in my opinion, some of your arguments are incorrect.

Let me get this straight: I joked about killing you in the pre-game thread (i.e. no roles yet),

Well, that was enough. Night zero actions are always random from pro-town players. (Scum, not so much; they choose their targets for a kill based off of skill.) That little pre-game thing was more than enough to gain my random choice N0.
Night Zero for a pro-town player is like the RVS during the day. We might as well rename Night Zeros into the Random Killing Stage.

Most of the time, night zero actions are strategized even though they don't know anything about what will be happening afterwards.

and (B) there should have been 4 kills.

Yes. This night confirms it. Zazie looks like a scum kill; the other two look like vig/sk kills.
Where's the other scum's kill, then?

I don't think there's an SK.

There's no evidence, Mastin. I can't confirm that I was blocked because I have no night action that can be blocked. The mod did not send me a notification saying that I was blocked. NOTHING CONFIRMS YOUR STORY.

'Cept my breadcrumbs, the fact I think that a kill was stopped, and the fact that I never lie even as scum except about alignment (and in Newbie Games, role. However, anywhere else, I'll tell the truth about my role), and that when I claim, I'm truthful about my role. Really, people figure this stuff about me over time:
I never claim a role that I am not, even as scum (with Newbie Games as an exception).

Wait, if Mastin did roleblock Khan, then would he know about it or not?

The fact is that Mastin is behaving stupidly about this and that is why I keep ignoring his giant sized questions. If he has suspicions to bring then he can post them, he does not need my approval to do so. He is harping on this PBPA thing because he hopes it will make it look like I actually care if he does it or not, which I don't.

Thing is, PBPA's take time, and are long.

I'll take this as approval, though.

Yeah PBPA's are long. So what?

(which i find is a easy mafia claim to claim)

Yea, yea, easy mafia claim. Which is why it's gutsy if I'm mafia,
And why either I'm telling the truth and am an Emerald Roleblocker,
or am still telling the partial truth and am a *faction* Mafia Roleblocker.

Either way, I'm still a roleblocker, who is blocking his choice of scum.

Well you did say that you were a mafia roleblocker at the beginning of the game.

[Wickedestjr]

can we lynch mastin now? he's just going to continue trying to use his fake rb claim to spin farfetched theories and try to score mislynches with them.

So first you are voting Hayker, then you suddenly switch your vote over to Mastin, and now you are extremely eager to lynch him without even hearing a response from him?

FoS: rofl

That's pretty normal for roflcopter.

Possible Wickedestjr/Mastin scumbuddy tell here.

Well, if you read the thread, I was one of the people that attacked Mastin the most.

[Wickedestjr]

Phail.

Vote: VP Baltar

I dunno if you said already, but what are your reasons?

[VP Baltar]

I've fallen a bit behind in this game. Skimmed what I missed so far, but I will give a proper response hopefully later today. Ckool still needs to die and has drifted into the background.

I'm unswayed by the rofl case at this point. He certainly doesn't get a free pass, but I think there are more important persons to deal with.

I'm half inclined to vote Mastin, but I haven't thought enough about if this is really a good idea at this point. Also, there is something that would just feel like a grudge vote about it.

Namtam--stop being lazy. your case sucked yesterday and it continues to. Also, who are your suspects now that we have another scum flip?

Wicked is apparently turning into Mastin redux.

In depth post later if my internet is working at home. If not

mod: May be V/LA this weekend