Mini 809 ~ Mafia ViPod (Game Over!)

[VP Baltar]

That's all the flavor you have PP?

Happy Scumday, Vi! I'm mailing your present of a free Daykill (redeemable at anytime in any game).

[Juls]

Yeah...hammer time.

I seem to recall Vi saying the music was from the 70's and 80's. Backstreet Boys were in diapers. I also don't see Vi as a Backstreet Boys kinda gal unless she just wanted all scum to be hideous.

vote: PP

[elvis_knits]

I was gone yesterday at a baby shower, so I haven't read everything in detail. Lynching a claimed miller who said lots of weird role-related things during the day is probably a good move, especially since PP didn't give flavor, and when he did, he only said backstreet boys. If he didn't have anything to hide, he should have said backstreet boys from the beginning, and also should have put his lyrics up when asked for flavor. Anyway, it's done now.

[VP Baltar]

Logic point, Juls!

[X]

PaperPenguin, there are two ways that I've seen to play Miller: claim in your first post and proceed as Vanilla or draw the NK. You have done neither, and considering that what you have done so far is scummy, I highly doubt that my vote will change Today.

Your great authority on miller play is meaningless to me right now, maybe next game, but really. If your vote rests purely on a logical error, heck it might not even be an error (this is largely debatable), rather than an error of intetion, then you really should dig a bit more before hopping on the bandwagon.

1. I have played Miller before, did research, and found good ways to play it.
2. While there's a chance that the error is due to not thinking while playing, there's also a good chance that it's due to being scum.
3. I was the second person on the bandwagon, and I would have been the first if I had posted between post 116 and 125. So I think you can hardly say that I just jumped on the bandwagon. Read my ISO posts, and then try and tell me that the Miller claim was my only justification for thinking you're scum.

I seem to recall Vi saying the music was from the 70's and 80's. Backstreet Boys were in diapers. I also don't see Vi as a Backstreet Boys kinda gal unless she just wanted all scum to be hideous.

I don't remember Vi saying that, but I personally wouldn't make the Backstreet Boys town.

Oh, there's the Hammer!

[Sotty7]

One thing worthy of note is that in Post #156 Sotty7 calls his vote on VPB a "random" vote, whereas he dispelled this claim when I asked him about it earlier. Is this just an issue of semantics here, Sotty7, or what? Furthermore, what's your opinion on VPB now.

I'm not sure what you mean here.

Pretty clear. He didn't answer my question and he is accusing other players of not posting content when he seems just as guilty of that himself. He also tried to accuse Imagine of lurking right after he had posted.

Basically I am trying to use my vote to engage him and judge him better. I'm not completely sold on the pesco case, FL answered my question and Juls is back so PaperPenguin is my pick for now. Better than my random vote on VP.

I was talking about

my

vote on VP which was my RVS vote. Mix up?

As for my opinion on VP, I don't have much of one. He doesn't feel scummy to me right now, I would say he is in the middle of the pack for me.

As for hascow, I find his claim that Sotty7 is trying to be UTR rather laughable, I don't see this at all, in fact Sotty7 seems to be present quite often and seems to consistently make solid posts, at least so far (inb4 chainsaw defence). That being said, I can't see why Sotty7 went on hascow's case about trying to tie in our good friend the blowfish to image just based off a single line asking for more opinions. More interestingly, she mentions herself and f-light, but not pesco, despite all 3 being mentioned in the same line from hascow.

I skipped Pesco because pretty much everyone was talking about him and if image hadn't said anything about him, that could be telling. But adding myself and Forb in there just seemed random and out of nowhere. Has has explained that he just wants input and I can understand that.

In 199, I am wondering why hascow would think that not posting an opinion about a player immediately is necessarily the right thing to do (in fact in almost all of the scenarios I keep thinking up, this is blatantly anti-town and the classic case of a mafian making sure his lies are consistent across posts), so I would definetly like an explanation from hascow on this point.

It's to stop Image from parroting what he said, what better way to get your questioner off your back than to agree with what he says?

- VPB, Sotty7 and Juls are all likely town at this point, though I want more input from Juls on people who are not named "Pesco47" or "Empking".

I have no idea why you have put Juls in the “town” cateroy here. She has been pretty absent and her fixation on empking despite having played with him before makes her look pretty bad to me.

This was followed by this tasty tidbit.

He also tried to accuse Imagine of lurking right after he had posted.

Chainsaw defense, that's how this could possibly be percieved as a reason against me. There is kinship between scotty and Image.

Yet it's true. You accused him of lurking

right

after he posted, adding “OMG chainsawdefense!!!11!” is just you trying to take my point and throw it out of the window. Sorry, doesn't work.

Oh, and I am a miller, not that it matters at this point.

Nice after thought claim when you come under pressure. Not buying it. how about a full claim?

Chainsaw defense, that's how this could possibly be percieved as a reason against me. There is kinship between scotty and Image.

You can't claim this if we have not alignment flips. I find this really irritating and it has been happening more often in my games recently. I find it more scummy to say this with no clue of alignments than to actually attack somebody's attacker.

AGREE! I find “bussing” falls under this a lot too. How can you even argue any of that without know if one of the pair is scum or not. It's lazy.

Yeah...hammer time.

I seem to recall Vi saying the music was from the 70's and 80's. Backstreet Boys were in diapers. I also don't see Vi as a Backstreet Boys kinda gal unless she just wanted all scum to be hideous.

vote: PP

It's in the post she uses to explain the game in the mini theme list. She uses the word “mostly” from the 70's and 80's, so there could be some leeway there.

Happy with the hammer.

[VP Baltar]

I have no idea why you have put Juls in the “town” cateroy here. She has been pretty absent and her fixation on empking despite having played with him before makes her look pretty bad to me.

Hold the phone. I thought Juls had never played with him before or something? If this is true, then Juls definitely needs another look because I think one game with Emp is enough to understand you can't expect any better out of him. Do you know which game this was Sotty?

[Sotty7]

What exactly do you agree with when it comes to Pesco?

I agreed with this portion:

Sure it's rather crappy for a serious vote reason, but look where it's come to now. You're still voting cow for lack of a better target, I expect you should find one pretty soon.

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I would like to know why Juls and forbiddan are voting empking over pesco.

I agree his vote was just an echo of my reasoning, etc, but his vote was L-2, and PEsco's vote put VP at L-1 (on page 4, not page fiev like I said last post). Pesco's vote is worse because it was the latest one on the wagon, going L-1 on page 4, plus she calls me scummy in the same post. If you think guy's main attacker is scummy, you don't put guy at L-1.

At the time of my vote on Empking I was under the assumption that Pesco's vote was actually L-2. I may have miscounted. Regardless, I felt like what Pesco was saying was a "on this hand" / "on the other hand" scenario. But doing it in the same post was troublesome and didn't make sense to me.

I see where it could be taken as a softclaim, but I honestly doubt it was, and people trying to make it that way are approaching the anti town zone.

Again, lets let cow's actions speak for themselves while keeping this in the back of our mind. It garnered conversation and made us question motivations of people who were pushing the issue. This is productive for town.

All caught up. I don't see a reason to remove my vote from Empking.

I have seen Empking give marginal content as town so I was and am not satisfied with a piggy-back vote.

I see this as an admission of either playing with emp before, or at least reading a game with him. Either way, it looks bad.

Forb was the one who said she had never played with emp before after I questioned her.

[Vi]

But we are two worlds apart
Can't reach to your heart
When you say
That I want it that way

Vote Count XIII:

Ain't nothin' but a mistake

PaperPenguin (LYNCH) ~ image, X, Sotty7, Moriarty147, Empking, forbiddanlight, Juls

Pesco47 (L-4) ~ VP Baltar, elvis_knits, hasdgfas
image (L-6) ~ PaperPenguin
elvis_knits (L-6) ~ Pesco47
Empking (L-7) ~

Juls

Minimum (L-7)

Not Voting:

Juls

[size=0]image 0 | e_knits 2 | Empking 0 | f-light 0 | hascow 0 PROD1 5 | Juls 0 | Pesco 0 PROD1 0 | Mo 1 PROD1 5 | Sotty7 0 | VP Baltar 0 | X 0[/size]

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(20%)

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-----PaperPenguin ---

Backstreet Boys, a.k.a. Miller

--- Lynched Day 1...

Night will be over in three days, or whenever everyone has sent in a request to begin the Day early. See Rule 9.

[Vi]

Welcome to your life
Theres no turning back
Even while we sleep
We will find you
Acting on your best behaviour
Turn your back on mother nature
Everybody wants to rule the world

Vote Count XIV:

It's my own design; it's my own remorse

Minimum (L-6)

Not Voting:

image, elvis_knits, Empking, forbiddanlight, hasdgfas, Juls, Pesco47, Moriarty147, Sotty7, VP Baltar, X
[size=0]image 0 | e_knits 0 | Empking 0 | f-light 0 | hascow 0 | Juls 0 | Pesco 0 | Mo 0 | Sotty7 0 | VP Baltar 0 | X 0[/size]

---Nobody died last night.

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(100%)

[VP Baltar]

Juls, can you explain what the difference in Empking's play in this game is to where you have seen him before. Also, can you link the game(s) where you have played with him or seen him play.

[forbiddanlight]

Son of a...

fish? ~Vi

Vote Empking

It's the only smart thing to do. Ever.

[Juls]

Juls, can you explain what the difference in Empking's play in this game is to where you have seen him before. Also, can you link the game(s) where you have played with him or seen him play.

I am on vacation but I will answer quickly. Go to my wiki and look for the Vengeful game moderated by Plum (this internet connection is craptacular). He replaced in. I didn't always agree with him (but I was scum) and I thought he at least put forth an effort. Aside from that I moderated a mish mash game in which he played and he was active so I have no reason to think that Empking is "always like this".

This is probably my last post until Monday.

[VP Baltar]

Happy Birthday, Juls!

said the mod. ~Vi

I'll check out that game later today probably.

[Empking]

Son of a...

fish? ~Vi

Vote Empking

It's the only smart thing to do. Ever.

Give reasons.

[Vi]

You step inside, but you dont see too many faces
Coming in out of the rain to hear the jazz go down
Competition in other places
But the horns are blowin' that sound
Way on down south--way on down south, London town

Vote Count XV:

Dixie double-four time

Empking (L-5) ~ forbiddanlight

Minimum (L-6)

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image, elvis_knits, Empking,

forbiddanlight,

hasdgfas, Juls, Pesco47, Moriarty147, Sotty7, VP Baltar, X
[size=0]image 1 | e_knits 1 | Empking 0 | f-light 0 | hascow 1 | Juls 0 | Pesco 1 | Mo 1 | Sotty7 1 | VP Baltar 0 | X 1[/size]

---I suppose I should be nice given the holiday weekend...

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(94%)

[hasdgfas]

Son of a...

fish? ~Vi

Vote Empking

It's the only smart thing to do. Ever.

Give reasons.

Empking, who do you think is scum, and why?

[VP Baltar]

I don't care about any trumpet playing band.



Also, people should actually talk in this game. Makes it more fun.

[forbiddanlight]

Give reasons.

I already did yesterday.

Lack of contribution, no attempts at scumhunting, failure to yield, putting funny hats on statues...

[Sotty7]

I have skimmed the game Juls gave as her experience with emp and he did seem to be posting more. However looking though Juls wiki I see she has played another game with emp here where he was basically quick lynched on day one for not making much sense.

Still in both games he did seem to be putting forth a better effort than he has here so far. This could explain Juls behavior towards him.

Forb, is there anyone outside emp that is sticking out to you at this point?

I would also like to know who emp thinks is scum and why.

[forbiddanlight]

Forb, is there anyone outside emp that is sticking out to you at this point?

Not overly. I should probably reread sometime today as I actually have time though.

[Empking]

Give reasons.

I already did yesterday.

Lack of contribution, no attempts at scumhunting, failure to yield, putting funny hats on statues...

If your reason is a joke then its not a reason.

Has: You for hypocrisy and EK for reasons I can't recall.

[forbiddanlight]

If your reason is a joke then its not a reason.

It's not a joke. The last two are, but the first two aren't. Add downplaying the truth of your scuminess to the list.

[hasdgfas]

Give reasons.

I already did yesterday.

Lack of contribution, no attempts at scumhunting, failure to yield, putting funny hats on statues...

If your reason is a joke then its not a reason.

Has: You for hypocrisy and EK for reasons I can't recall.

what hypocrisy? and "reasons you can't recall"? boy, that's going to hold up over intense scrutiny

[elvis_knits]

Give reasons.

I already did yesterday.

Lack of contribution, no attempts at scumhunting, failure to yield, putting funny hats on statues...

If your reason is a joke then its not a reason.

Has: You for hypocrisy and EK for reasons I can't recall.

When was cow a hypocrite?

Why are you suspecting me if you can't remember why?

I've played with empking a lot lately and he's always this brief and annoying, but he's not even making sense now.

vote empking