Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[VP Baltar]

I take issue with the fact that you seem to be saying that your goal is to lynch MM rather than to find out more about his alignment. I infer this from the bolded sections. The first you are saying that achieving a lynch means you are effective in going after a suspect. In the second you seem to say that you have the support of others in lynching MM so you don't have to push as hard since you can do it at your leisure. I don't think MM's alignment has been proven so I would question your motive in voting MM.

Please refer to post 960. Are you really not reading the thread that closely or are you just hoping to catch on to substantial sooner or later? Seems like every time you post you have some half-cocked argument against me that is quickly shot down.

My motive in voting MM is that he looks scummy to me. I've stated many reasons why...more than most everyone else...soooo, why do you think my motives are the most suspect?

[SerialClergyman]

I take issue with the fact that you seem to be saying that your goal is to lynch MM rather than to find out more about his alignment. I infer this from the bolded sections. The first you are saying that achieving a lynch means you are effective in going after a suspect. In the second you seem to say that you have the support of others in lynching MM so you don't have to push as hard since you can do it at your leisure. I don't think MM's alignment has been proven so I would question your motive in voting MM.

Yeah, you're going to have to explain this one better, Namttam. No one's alignment is going to be proven, yet we're all going ot be wanting ot lynch someone. My point, (which I think we've done to death), was that he was overly soft on MM.

I'm not buying the wagon on rofl. He looks town to me.

[Kmd4390]

I'm not buying the wagon on rofl. He looks town to me.

There really isn't a wagon yet. I'm still trying.

Why does he look town?

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #26=-

MafiaMann (7) - SerialClergyman, Wickedestjr, roflcopter, Lowell, Faraday, Empking's Alt, Mufasa
Mufasa (3) - curiouskarmadog, VP Baltar, ckool5000
VP Baltar (3) - Kise, Mastin, Namttam
roflcopter (2) - Kmd4390, Hayker
Kublai Khan (1) - ZazieR
Mastin (1) - Kublai Khan
ckool5000 (1) - fallen angel

Not Voting (3) - Achilles, molestargazer, MafiaMann

11 to lynch.

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[SerialClergyman]

Well, it's a pretty standard meta for rofl, he has been adamant about not lynching the claimed miller which I agree with, he's been consistent in his viewpoints and hasn't been wishy-washy. These are all things I value.

Why do you think MafiaMann is town?

[SerialClergyman]

Sorry KMD, I remembered you answered that question earlier, I just found it. Meh, gut. I can see plenty of things that would benefit scum - trying to suss out opinions, making dicey cases.. 357 is a good example but there's a history of it, imo.

And the ease of creating a wagon, well there were a number of lazy transfer votes but it's stalled a fair way from the pointy end. That and VP unvoted despite, according to him, being the main driver of the wagon. I'm suspicious because it's so hard to get even people who seem to suspect him to get the wagon to a decent level.

[Kmd4390]

I've already answered that question. Let me find it.

Combination of early gut, not seeing anything in his actions that would benefit him as scum more than town, and the ridiculous speed of the wagon.

[SerialClergyman]

Yeah, simulposted you - my bad. See above.

[Mastin]

Uhg. I hate it when I fall eight pages behind. So much more fun to catch up with, though.

[Kublai Khan]

@molestargazer: Welcome!

@Kmd4390: Hey, good to see you again!

@ckool5000 (903): None of curiouskarmadog's questions are hostile. Why are you so defensive to perfectly reasonable questions?

@Kmd4390 (928): Why townie read on Achilles? IIRC all he had done at that point was comment exclusively on previously voted people.

STRONGLY disagree with this generalization. It may be true for some players, but there are several players, including myself, who are the exact opposite and contribute MORE as scum than as town.

Heh. Y'know, you are contributing way more to this game then the last game I played with you, and you were town in that game..

As for Mastin. At this point in time I believe him. I think I'm starting to understand why he does what he does. And if I'm right, he's rather clever. He seems to make a decent case on KK, but I'm unwiling to go after KK right now. I think both should be left alive for the time being.

Uh huh. Could you reiterate Mastin's case on me in your own words?

@Mastin (983): Catch up, but no walls of text please. There's about 4 days left until the deadline and according to iamausername's rulelist, if we have no majority then there is no lynch. Since the town has pretty much decided to leave us two to the mercy of the night-killers, we both need to focus our attention elsewhere.

unvote

[Kmd4390]

Khan, that game is ongoing. I'll gladly talk about it when it ends.

On Achilles, it was something in the post you mention where he gave his reads. Sounded genuine to me for some reason.

[Kmd4390]

Wait, I'm having a scumday? XD

[Kublai Khan]

Khan, that game is ongoing. I'll gladly talk about it when it ends.

I know. Was more of a joke than an honest observation.

On Achilles, it was something in the post you mention where he gave his reads. Sounded genuine to me for some reason.

You're not concerned that he limited his choices to only those with votes? At the time it read like he was at a bandwagon buffet. I thought (and still think) that it reeks a little of signaling.

[Empking's Alt]

Casn somebody vote MM, please.

[VP Baltar]

Happy scumday, kmd!

Care to explain

why

someone should vote for MM, Emp?

[Wickedestjr]

Some new reads throught Page 14:
Achilles-town
Zazie-town
Wicked-scum
Nam-town

Having a hard time reading Mastin and for once, Emp.

My suspicions on Ckool are reinforced with the terrible vote on Khan "after looking at everything". I'd have been equally confortable voting either Rofl/Ckool on Page 14.

What do you find scummy about me?

The time comment was aimed at everybody that posts at 1-4 in the morning at their time.

I do this on nights that I'm not working. Is that a problem for you? XD

As long as you don't say it at the beginning of your post hoping it can excuse you from having scummy behavior, I don't care.

Well at first, I was considering the same possibility that ckool was, that Khan would claim death miller when asked if he was a death miller or not, but then you pointed out that this was a large

normal

, and now I'm beginning to get a hunch that Khan is scum. I don't have any good evidence now, so I will not vote him, but I will pay more attention to him.

Miller is pretty normal. I included it in my Mini Normal that I modded.

I know that, but is a death miller normal?

Are you aware that scum don't typically contribute as much as town?

STRONGLY disagree with this generalization. It may be true for some players, but there are several players, including myself, who are the exact opposite and contribute MORE as scum than as town.

Hmm... Good point.

I get a town read from Nam, but I'm not sure about the rofl wagon.

Happy scum day kmd.

[Wickedestjr]

Sorry that last post was messed up.

Mod, could you please delete that post. This is what it was meant to look like;

Some new reads throught Page 14:
Achilles-town
Zazie-town
Wicked-scum
Nam-town

Having a hard time reading Mastin and for once, Emp.

My suspicions on Ckool are reinforced with the terrible vote on Khan "after looking at everything". I'd have been equally confortable voting either Rofl/Ckool on Page 14.

What do you find scummy about me?

The time comment was aimed at everybody that posts at 1-4 in the morning at their time.

I do this on nights that I'm not working. Is that a problem for you? XD

As long as you don't say it at the beginning of your post hoping it can excuse you from having scummy behavior, I don't care.

Well at first, I was considering the same possibility that ckool was, that Khan would claim death miller when asked if he was a death miller or not, but then you pointed out that this was a large

normal

, and now I'm beginning to get a hunch that Khan is scum. I don't have any good evidence now, so I will not vote him, but I will pay more attention to him.

Miller is pretty normal. I included it in my Mini Normal that I modded.

I know that, but is a death miller normal?

Are you aware that scum don't typically contribute as much as town?

STRONGLY disagree with this generalization. It may be true for some players, but there are several players, including myself, who are the exact opposite and contribute MORE as scum than as town.

Hmm... Good point.

I get a town read from Nam, but I'm not sure about the rofl wagon.

Happy scum day kmd.

[roflcopter]

i will do some reading soon. i'm pretty sure my positions on anything important are already clear.

[Kmd4390]

You're not concerned that he limited his choices to only those with votes? At the time it read like he was at a bandwagon buffet. I thought (and still think) that it reeks a little of signaling.

From what I saw, he was behind. It's perfectly reasonable to look at the most commonly discussed players when you are behind and/or having a hard time finding opinions.

Happy scumday, kmd!

Thanks!

Care to explain

why

someone should vote for MM, Emp?

The deadline would be a good reason.

What do you find scummy about me?

I'd have to re-read you to make a case, but with deadline coming up and my suspicions on you being very minor compared to rofl and ckool, now isn't the time to discuss it.

I know that, but is a death miller normal?

Not really, but has anyone claimed death miller? No. Khan just claimed miller.

Happy scum day kmd.

Thanks.

i will do some reading soon. i'm pretty sure my positions on anything important are already clear.

Willing to lynch anyone we want who isn't scum, right?

Unvote rofl, Vote MafiaMann

. If we don't reach majority before deadline, we No Lynch. So MOAR MM VOTES NAO.

[VP Baltar]

unvote, vote: MafiaMann

No one hammer until rofl checks in with what he has to say. Emp can still answer my question. Oh, and MafiaMann should claim soon.

[Faraday]

Ckool isn't that a slight contradiction?

Also gives him a lot of options.

And is not how I remember him either. In fact quite the opposite, in that he was, well too easy to write people off as town.

@ Ckool. You say you see everyone as scummy but me and Molest( ; ). And say you've learned your lesson with me. So then, if you think everyone is scummy, why am I not included. Surely the fact I fooled you before would lead you to be more wary of me,and not write me off as town.

Does that make sense?

[ckool5000]

Yeah Faraday... But your posts in general seem so town, that it's hard to find you scummy... If that's not redundant..... I guess what it really is is that there's nothing in your posts that can be considered scummy, as far as I can tell.... Hmm.... Does that make you scummy?

Whoa, MafiaMann's at L-1?... To hammer or not to hammer, that is the question.... 3 Days and seven hours left... If nothing is done before that deadline clock hits two and zero, then I'm-a-gonna-hammah!

[Wickedestjr]

What do you find scummy about me?

I'd have to re-read you to make a case, but with deadline coming up and my suspicions on you being very minor compared to rofl and ckool, now isn't the time to discuss it.

Fair enough.

I know that, but is a death miller normal?

Not really, but has anyone claimed death miller? No. Khan just claimed miller.

I understand, but at first I wasn't suspicious of Khan because I would of expected him to claim death miller when he had been asked if he was. Then Zaz pointed out that this was a normal game, which made me realize that he wouldn't have claimed death miller if he was lying anyway. Does that make sense?

[VP Baltar]

Whoa, MafiaMann's at L-1?... To hammer or not to hammer, that is the question.... 3 Days and seven hours left... If nothing is done before that deadline clock hits two and zero, then I'm-a-gonna-hammah!

I believe he's at L-2 actually, and why do you feel it is necessary to telegraph a hammer?

I understand, but at first I wasn't suspicious of Khan because I would of expected him to claim death miller when he had been asked if he was. Then Zaz pointed out that this was a normal game, which made me realize that he wouldn't have claimed death miller if he was lying anyway. Does that make sense?

No, it really does not.

[Kmd4390]

And is not how I remember him either. In fact quite the opposite, in that he was, well too easy to write people off as town.

Was he town in that game(s)?

Yeah Faraday... But your posts in general seem so town, that it's hard to find you scummy... If that's not redundant..... I guess what it really is is that there's nothing in your posts that can be considered scummy, as far as I can tell.... Hmm.... Does that make you scummy?

Is his play different from before?

I understand, but at first I wasn't suspicious of Khan because I would of expected him to claim death miller when he had been asked if he was. Then Zaz pointed out that this was a normal game, which made me realize that he wouldn't have claimed death miller if he was lying anyway. Does that make sense?

He already claimed miller. If he changed his claim to death miller, it would have been incredibly suspicious.