The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[ZazieR]

take shotgun from Nyx's corpse

Might as well try

Where have you been all this time?

Waiting for someone to die so I could go through their pockets.

I'm still liking my Lamont vote. I would also vote for Dramonic.

Why Dramonic? And what's your opinion of Deves and your opinion of his claim?

[ZazieR]

EBWOP
Also, what's your opinion of Stepho's claim?

[ZazieR]

@Setael

You never responded to this. Could you do so?

Setael, you said this:

2 reasons I'm not getting behind the Stepho wagon:

1- the presence of a counter wagon that might succeed actually makes me feel better about vigging dev. I would expect scum to fight it, so if it was too easy I'd be worried. Elmo we know is town but if dev flips scum zaz, pyro and xtoxm will need to be looked at. I think scum would feel comfortable about this since dev's wagon derails MY wagon so if they're accused they can point to my wagon as a sort of alibi.

2- steph's post that she thinks I'm town at a crucial point. Scum would have had no reason not to weigh in against me at that point and she wouldn't have been suspect when I flipped town. Basically, same reason I changed my mind about Lamont.

But at the same time, you think that Stepho could be scumbuddies with Deves.
So what you''re saying in this quote is basically that those vig-voting Stepho might contain scum that don''t want Deves to get vigged. Combined with that you think Stepho might be a scumbuddy from Deves, you''re thinking that there is possibly scum on the vig-wagon from Stepho-scum in order to not get Deves-scum vigged.
If this is true, how does this make sense?
And if I misunderstood your position, please explain.

Also, I already said this too but dev's vig will reveal a lot about both those who moved from mw to dev and those who moved from dev to steph

Who''s MW?
And the second thing is also something we will learn if Stepho gets vigged, is it not?

Setael, still this.

[Elmo]

I think I can almost hear Yakety Sax playing. I shouldn't be this amused, but I am. I love how Nyx even explicitly said "load 12 bore shotgun shell in 8 bore shotgun". Okay.

unvote

Unofficial Vote Count

Devestation (4) <- Pyromaniac, Lamont_Cranston, Pablo Molinero, Naomi_Saotome
Populartajo (2) <- Xtoxm, zwetschenwasser
Lamont_Cranston <- Rockatansky
Stephoscope <- Sironigous
Setael <- Amished

Not voting: dramonic, Stephoscope, Devestation, ZazieR, Setael, populartajo, Elmo
With 16 alive, it's 9 to lynch. Deadline in ~7 days.

[Xtoxm]

For some reason I wasn't expecting that at all. I was when it was initially picked up, but with all the talk about vigging I forgot about it. We should have elected a shooter too..I was pretty suspicious of Nyx though.

[Devestation]

"Waiting for someone to die so I could go through their pockets."

did ANYONE note that?

[Xtoxm]

Are you suggesting that comment is scummy?

If so, why?

[ZazieR]

Next time, we should vote on who should pick up the item. That's my opinion of it.

[ZazieR]

"Waiting for someone to die so I could go through their pockets."

did ANYONE note that?

Yeah, but I don't see why it's scummy.

[Xtoxm]

Next time, we should vote on who should pick up the item. That's my opinion of it.

This would work better, yeah.

[ZazieR]

Also,

Setael

In my opinion, only scum would push for a Stepho vig right now. Yes, there's a chance he's lying. Only scum know for sure if he is or not. However, if he's telling the truth and we vig him we have lost a key power role. No townie will be sure enough he is lying to push his vig through.

FOS: zazier and xtoxm

Please explain why you didn't FoS when Naomi got voted for lying about her claim, but did FoS when me and Tox are saying that Stepho is lying?

[Rockatansky]

Dev came about as close to quoting the Town role pm as he could without getting modkilled. Unless scum were given copies of it (and why the mod would do that rather than just quote the town role pm in the rules is beyond me) then he is town.

I'd vote Dramonic for these posts:

Among other things: sure, it was originally Amished who proposed the no MRB idea and it does sound suspicious, but you're supporting it. If we're going to vig someone over it, I'd rather have it be the one who hasn't shown a PR possibility.

This is terrible, scum reasoning for voting someone.

Oh for the love of...

You're stalling... so... much.

Unvote
Vigvote:Steph

I've been about as annoyed as anyone else with all the day vig circus, but when Nyx came back into the thread he made two pretty villagy posts, my reaction was "whew, glad the guy with the shotgun is probably Town." Dramonic's reaction was feigned annoyance, which was used as cover to vig vote Steph.

[ZazieR]

@Stepho

For the love of God...

I am Janine. I am an investigative reporter, and am Innocent.

I can check one player each night, and learn his or her role and alignment.

I investigated Naomi last night. Her roleclaim was legitimate. She is Trilby.

Please protect me tonight.

So what is Naomi's role? And why didn't you claim it in this post?
Because I'd expect that your role would be 'investigative reporter' if your claim is true. So please explain.

[ZazieR]

And why did nobody respond to this post?

[Devestation]

Why, were getting Amished replaced now, right?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vote Count
Devestation: 4 - Pyromaniac, Lamont_Cranston, Pablo Molinero, Naomi_Saotome
Populartajo: 2 - Xtoxm, zwetschenwasser
Lamont_Cranston: 1 - Rockatansky
Stephoscope: 1 - Sironigous
Setael: 1 - Amished

Not voting: dramonic, Stephoscope, Devestation, ZazieR, Setael, populartajo, Elmo

Deadline in 6 days, 20 hours and 56 minutes.

[Pablo Molinero]

Unvote

Let us think, but let's not get caught with ANOTHER no-lynch. That would be pretty damn catistrophic.

[Setael]

@zazie: For example, if stepho came up scum, those who moved the wagon from dev to him look really town. If stepho came up town, those who moved the wagon from dev look scummy. If both dev and stepho were scum, those who stayed on me and avoided both wagons might look bad. It's not rocket science so i'm not sure why you're insisting I spell it out. I think info could've been gleaned from anyone's vig.

Except Nyx's


I agree with Rock's last post.

unvote, vote: Dramonic

[Setael]

P.S. Either EVERYONE has a copy of the vanilla role, or far too many people are outing themselves as obv vanilla. It would be wise for this to stop, as it is helpful only to scum.

[Setael]

Please explain why you didn't FoS when Naomi got voted for lying about her claim, but did FoS when me and Tox are saying that Stepho is lying?

Though it is now nearly certain that she was telling the truth, it was the worst, scummiest-looking claim ever and I wasn't FOSing ppl for voting her because I was very suspicious of her claim as well.

@Naomi: Use your 1-shot tonight. If Amished is telling the truth, his multi-protect won't last forever. You should have used it last night. I'm very aggravated with both your lack of experience and your lack of activity. Due to stepho's claim you are confirmed town imo and you MUST investigate someone tonight. DO NOT investigate Elmo as he is already confirmed town. Anyone else would be fine I think, just use it tonight.

We need to be sure Amished's replacement is caught up before this day ends. The replacement cannot have any excuse to not protect Naomi and Stepho tonight. If either of them die, imo Amished was lying about his claim.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Anyway, in this post was his first claim.
This, together with post 2233, makes me believe that he indeed has an Innocent role PM.

Well then tell me how scum couldn't do the exact same thing and never have to prove it. Relying on a Vanillager claim is so naive...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Dev came about as close to quoting the Town role pm as he could without getting modkilled. Unless scum were given copies of it (and why the mod would do that rather than just quote the town role pm in the rules is beyond me) then he is town.

I'd vote Dramonic for these posts:

Among other things: sure, it was originally Amished who proposed the no MRB idea and it does sound suspicious, but you're supporting it. If we're going to vig someone over it, I'd rather have it be the one who hasn't shown a PR possibility.

This is terrible, scum reasoning for voting someone.

Oh for the love of...

You're stalling... so... much.

Unvote
Vigvote:Steph

I've been about as annoyed as anyone else with all the day vig circus, but when Nyx came back into the thread he made two pretty villagy posts, my reaction was "whew, glad the guy with the shotgun is probably Town." Dramonic's reaction was feigned annoyance, which was used as cover to vig vote Steph.

Rock, I have to admit I noticed the exact same things and it annoyed me. I'm glad I wasn't the only one that felt that way about those posts. He's also been kinda lurky too.

[Lamont_Cranston]

P.S. Either EVERYONE has a copy of the vanilla role, or far too many people are outing themselves as obv vanilla. It would be wise for this to stop, as it is helpful only to scum.

Zaze was the one instigating the role PM fishing. I have noted it and I don't like it.

[populartajo]

We need a new shiny wagon. Setael is also obv town.

Vote : dramonic.

Curious to see where this goes.

[Elmo]

Ooh, shiney!

vote dramonic