Mini 808 - Rabbit Doubt Mafia: Over!

[Kmd4390]

Myko, first, look at my posts and tell me I did nothing else. Second, look at everyone else's post and tell me I'm "unnoticed" (which I'd hate to be as scum anyway as I like to have control. See Spy's recent game.)

that is one reason I think you are a survivor with a nightkill and yes, you are trying to. You are not that much in control as I have seen you before.

That's called SK. And why the need to differentiate between SK and mafia on Day 1?

And why should a town aligned player who is having a hard time getting any reads want to control a game?

I say KMD's vote sucks, and that he is scum for it.

To clarify, you're saying that his vote on you sucked (i.e. not his current vote on Tenchi)?

He doesn't like that even after Page 12, my vote was still on him.

[Iecerint]

Here's the relevant passage:

Maybe I'm a vig and wanted a weapon for my powerrole. If your theory is true about the scum having to find that room then it is possible that I am a vig. Not saying I am and not saying I'm not.

His use of proper pronouns made it seem like a soft claim to me, too, so I don't think it's fair to fault someone for interpreting it as such. (Actually, I think I mentioned it before Tenchi did.) Incidentally, as I recall, this quote comes right after a part of Batt's post that Looker quoted -- same paragraph. I'm not sure why it was omitted.

Who do you have in mind when you mention players who are only speculating about set-up? Me? Ztife?

Re: Kmd -- I was thrown off by myko's use of present tense.

myko, I think you posted earlier that Tenchi seemed like his "town self." What did you mean by that, and what specifically has Tenchi done between now and then (if anything) to change your mind? You mentioned the change in your post targeting Tenchi and Kmd, but it seems like Tenchiwagon was already set-up prior to your "town self" comment.

I'm going to go ahead and

Vote: Tenchi

just to encourage him to post/weigh in on recent events; it's been quite some time.

[Battousai]

^ That post all seems to me that you think Tenchi is town, yet you vote him for not being on (even though it was around 44hrs since he said he would be back in a couple of days) and talking about what is developing.

FomS: Iecerint

I think you are trying to look protown, while not actually doing anything protown.

[Battousai]

And to follow up that post

FOS: Mafiamann

IMO, you have been actively lurking. You've been focused on flavor more than anything, and responding in short posts that most don't take a real stance.

[ZazieR]

1) Kmd4390 (1) - mykonian
2) mykonian
3) Bitchibee (1) - PaperPenguin
4) Ztife (1) - Looker
5) Looker
6) Iecerint
7) MafiaMann
8) Kreriov

9) Tenchi (4) - Battousai, Kreriov, Kmd4390, iecerint

10) PhilyEc
11) Battousai (1) - Tenchi
12) PaperPenguin (1) - Mafiamann

Not voting (3) - Bitchibee, Ztife, PhilyEc

With 12 players alive, you''ll need 7 votes to lynch.
Green indicates closest to lynch.

Room 1: Male Restroom - Kmd4390
Room 2: ???

Room 3: Library - Bitchibee, PaperPenguin

Room 4: ???
Room 5: ???

Room 6: Dark Room
Room 7: Storage Room - PhilyEc, Mykonian
Room 8: Great Hall
Room 9: Bedroom - Kreriov
Room 10: Empty Room - Iecerint

Room 11: ???
Room 12: Crime Scene Room - Looker, Battousai

Room 13: Exit Room - Ztife

Room 14: ???

Black means that that the door is open.
Red means that the door is closed.
Room 14 is in darkred, as it's its door in a different room, which got locked by Iecerint. So nobody, except for Iecerint (who can't use his barcode on it) can get to this door. So nobody can open this door until Iecrint unlocks his door.
Then there's purple. Room 7 also had an extra door in it. This one was opened by Mykonian. As Mykonian didn't leave this room when PhilyEc closed Room 7 and as Mykonian's door isn't locked, both Mykonian and PhilyEc can still move between these two rooms.

Corridor - Tenchi, Mafiamann

NOTE: When you open a room, you''ll automatically enter it.

[ZazieR]

activity check coming up

[ZazieR]

Only prodding Bitchibee to check if she''s actually replacing >.<

[Battousai]

also mykonian, you missed a question I asked you. Why did you try to close the exit room?

[mykonian]

Myko, first, look at my posts and tell me I did nothing else. Second, look at everyone else's post and tell me I'm "unnoticed" (which I'd hate to be as scum anyway as I like to have control. See Spy's recent game.)

that is one reason I think you are a survivor with a nightkill and yes, you are trying to. You are not that much in control as I have seen you before.

That's called SK. And why the need to differentiate between SK and mafia on Day 1?

because I can. Not that it matters, you are certainly not town, but that is all I think about you. But scum you are, and scum I want to lynch.

I say KMD's vote sucks, and that he is scum for it.

To clarify, you're saying that his vote on you sucked (i.e. not his current vote on Tenchi)?

He doesn't like that even after Page 12, my vote was still on him.

and that his post was: why are 1 and 2 still alive? If he was here, he would have known. But he lurked, and brought nothing new.

[mykonian]

also mykonian, you missed a question I asked you. Why did you try to close the exit room?

I thought you could close them only from outside, and phily had his room closed then (hey, I could have known...), so I wondered what would happen if I joined him and then closed the door so we would be together.

well, nothing.

plus, this being mafia, I don't think there is an exit that can save us. But that had nothing to do with my choice.

[PhilyEc]

unvote vote KMD mostly gut, but this play just points at him being scum. It is not a big difference, but as town he would never semi lurk this way, tunneling till over page 10 on a pregame post.

^OMGUS

You had far more stuff to vote for Tenchi then went to voting for KMD mainly on gut feeling. I'd say its more likely its because he suspected you so early on.

Fos

you are actually right. I say KMD's vote sucks, and that he is scum for it. but I think I explained, reasoned why it sucked, and that a tell like OMGUS (an unreasoned countervote) should not be used here. It is not applied correctly.

Kmd's first vote did suck, but so did your reaction to it (albeit delayed) I dont like how you face your opposition rather than Tenchi who you were willing to vote for within the same post you had earlier made thereafter unvoting and voting KMD.

[Kreriov]

Tenchi is away, unable to defend himself, and despite my suspicions, I am not really convinced he is scum. After reading everything, I am afraid I may be influenced by the fact that he has actually been very active and has actions to analyze.

Unvote

[Kmd4390]

and that his post was: why are 1 and 2 still alive? If he was here, he would have known. But he lurked, and brought nothing new.

Wait, are you honestly saying that:
1) I really thought that you and Tenchi had died already...???
and:
2) I wasn't even around..??

If so, you are dead wrong.

[Kmd4390]

Tenchi is away, unable to defend himself, and despite my suspicions, I am not really convinced he is scum. After reading everything, I am afraid I may be influenced by the fact that he has actually been very active and has actions to analyze.

Unvote

^This is a weak unvote.

1) Away or not, he's still scummy
2) "despite your suspicions", you aren't "convinced he's scum"? What's that even supposed to mean.
3) He only looks scummy because he's active?!? Um, what???

[Iecerint]

I think Tenchi's behavior is more suspicious than other players', but I think that some players are criticizing him in ways that don't make sense. My post reflects that. I have to admit that I'm also a little suspicious of his personal issues -- they seemed to arise just when I speculated that his high activity was leading to suspicion. In that eventuality, whether he's town or scum, voting him might encourage him to give us something from his perspective.

I share Kmd's confusion regarding Kre's unvote to a degree; however, I do agree with Kre that Tenchi's high activity early in the game (multiple posts per day, etc.) is in large part what led to suspicion. I think Kmd's incredulity at this point should make clear why this is a legitimate reason to re-evaluate the case against someone.

@ myko -- Did you miss my question? Which players specifically do you think are contributing only set-up details?

[mykonian]

sorry, yes, I guess I missed it.

probably in the catagory of people I didnt really notice. Would you mind if I reread tomorrow to answer that question?

[Iecerint]

Sure. There's also this, if you wouldn't mind:

myko, I think you posted earlier that Tenchi seemed like his "town self." What did you mean by that, and what specifically has Tenchi done between now and then (if anything) to change your mind? You mentioned the change [from a town read to a scum read] in your post targeting Tenchi and Kmd, but it seems like Tenchiwagon was already set-up prior to your "town self" comment.

[Iecerint]

EBWOP: It seems that I actually asked Kre (not myko) about which set-up hypothesizers specifically he found scummy, but I was a little vague as to whom the question was directed to. But if you share his feelings on that issue and think that certain players are particularly egregious, I'd still like to hear your take.

[MafiaMann]

And to follow up that post

FOS: Mafiamann

IMO, you have been actively lurking. You've been focused on flavor more than anything, and responding in short posts that most don't take a real stance.

Im sorry im going to Florida so dont expect it to get better. I still really find the guy who tried to dictate where everybody stayed the scummiest just because i think that what room your in has some power over night actions.

[Iecerint]

And to follow up that post

FOS: Mafiamann

IMO, you have been actively lurking. You've been focused on flavor more than anything, and responding in short posts that most don't take a real stance.

Im sorry im going to Florida so dont expect it to get better. I still really find the guy who tried to dictate where everybody stayed the scummiest just because i think that what room your in has some power over night actions.

Phily or Ztife (first or second)?

[PhilyEc]

Vote Myk

I dont think hes playing honestly at the moment. His analysis is purely why I vote for him. I think Tenchi has been having dodgy also upon reading how concise Batt has played, yes instead Myk expresses this scumminess then moves onto a gut feeling.

His excuse is that hes laid out why KMD is more scum, I dont agree with him one bit.

[ZazieR]

PaperPenguin has requested replacement, and therefore we have Gregory joining us

[Iecerint]

Bitchibee might need a prod or something. I don't think he's made any posts since he joined the game.

[PhilyEc]

Only prodding Bitchibee to check if she''s actually replacing >.<

Neh heh...

[Iecerint]

Ah, missed it.