Mafia 93 - A Roccisi Summer - Over!

[populartajo]

Hrm. I think I'll have to stop hounding for a Russian lynch. Balancewise it's not that probable, and no-one seems to agree with me that SpyreX is very much implied as a Russian.

vote: tajo

for previously expressed suspicions.

Which ones?

[populartajo]

charter and I are mason buddies, though I cannot vouch for his towniness. Only mine.

Just thought I'd throw that out there, if anyone cares.

Name of the masonry.

Why do you think he is not town?

Also, charter please confirm, deny.

[populartajo]

I missed some posts of the last page.

Seaside neighborhood. Can we have a transcription of what you both spoke?

Also, I think Seraph has something to give us, right?

[X]

699- X, just because Caboose is lazy doesn't make him scum. He's done way more to help the town than you have, maybe we should just lynch you then.

I can't help that I'm not a Cop. Other than that, it sounds like you should be voting me if I'm so useless.

[populartajo]

720's- tajo claiming he's not suspicious of Caboose but leaving his vote on there. Also, he's doing more pointless setup speculation rather than giving us who he is suspicious of now. tajo is scum. unvote, vote tajo

First, I never said I was not suspicous of Caboose.
Second, setup speculation is never pointless since it is giving us the way to play the game. Its more probable to find a Italian than to find a Russian. Setup speculation ftw.
And finally Im not scum.

What I said regarding Caboose is that we know he is a cop. Do we know he is town? Fuck no. Lynching him today, even if the guy is scummy as fuck, its not optymal.

But yeah

unvote.

[populartajo]

Still here.

Basically Im still here.

Really when I see the list of players alive I think we are facing a very skilled scum. I get a majority of townie/neutral reads here:

05. ekiM - last post feels protown, still neutral, will have to reread him more.
09. populartajo - awesome town
10. Seraphim - prob town
12. Korts - neutral, will need to reread him more.
14. X - neutral leaning townie, will need to reread him
15. Mixologist Lowell - mixo was prob townie when he was here, i got some overall townie read from first lowell post.
17. HowardRoark - scummy. very unlikely russian but willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since big part of my case against him was his alvinz relationship
19. charter - obv town
20. SpyreX - prob town
21. Caboose - when i analysed him he came up as the most likely italian. cop claim saved his ass, is there any reason why mafia are not killing a claimed cop and going for targets like axelrod?

With the only difference that Im considering leaving Caboose alive for information reasons when massclaim finally reaches.

I dont support the charter hate, even though his last vote for me is terrible, and I still think Mixo/lowell is prob town. Claim still needs some explaining, though.

What does everyone think of Korts?

[SpyreX]

...

I hate masons. Why, if you're masons, have you purposefully avoided each other like the plague? It doesn't make any sense.

And as for my wanting to kill Caboose:

I see what tajo is saying, but I have a really hard time stomaching killing a claimed cop. I need to think about that a bit more.

If they're both town I'll eat my hat. Vote stays.

[Korts]

Which ones?

The ones that I detail in my earlier posts. So go read them if you don't know what I mean.

What does everyone think of Korts?

This question reeks of scum. Are you looking for possible footholds because you feel threatened?

X, I agree that Caboose has given little other than his results--but you don't reply to my point that there is no utility in an anti-town alignment cop, and Caboose has proven himself to be an alignment cop already. Therefore he is almost fully confirmed.

[Lowell]

@tajo- I don't think charter's scum. I'm saying I don't have any role-based verification that he isn't. And I'll hold off on the name of the masonry, unless everyone really thinks it's necessary. Having the name out there will make things a bit easier for scum, I suspect.

[Lowell]

Oh nevermind charter already claimed it. Whatever. Missed that post.

[TDC]

Vote Count

Lowell (2): ekiM, HowardRoark
populartajo (2): Korts, charter
X (1): Lowell
Caboose (1): X
charter (1): SpyreX

Not Voting (3): Caboose, Seraphim, populartajo

6 to lynch. Deadline Saturday.

[X]

X, I agree that Caboose has given little other than his results--but you don't reply to my point that there is no utility in an anti-town alignment cop, and Caboose has proven himself to be an alignment cop already. Therefore he is almost fully confirmed.

Oh, sorry, I missed that. Yes, there is utility in an anti-town Cop if there are multiple Mafia Families.

[ekiM]

Woah I got votes. Not cool. Someone tell me what I've done wrong.

Speaks for itself, really.

716- ekim, why can X and Seraphim only be scum together? It's not possible one is scum and one is playing poorly? Why not?

They've claimed to have an extra vig that gets enabled when one of them dies. I cannot see how they wouldn't kill the other ASAP if either were scum independently. An extra kill is a huge bonus.

I'm on vacation in nine hours.. will check back before that.

[HowardRoark]

charter and I are mason buddies

Me and Lowell are indeed in the Seaside Neighborhood.

Here's the issue I see . . .

• Groups:
  • The Upper Roccisi Neighborhood:
    • classified
  • The Italian Mafia:
    • classified

• Groups:
  • The Roccisi Masonry:
    • classified

I believe this is the slip of the day. "Neighborhood" is not the same as "Masonry"

[X]

HowardRoark, I noticed that too, but I don't really think it's a big deal. IIRC, a few people have said one and meant the other. People are more used to the concept of Masons. And you also selectively quoted Lowell, because if you read more, he's clearly describing a Neighborhood:

charter and I are mason buddies,

though I cannot vouch for his towniness.

Only mine.

Really don't like how we've been put off again

and again

by Seraphim and Caboose.

I

do

want to let everyone know that I will be

V/LA from Wednesday, July 1st to Saturday, July 4th

. I might be able to check in, but most of my time will be occupied on those days.

Deadline is July 4th. It's worth repeating.

[HowardRoark]

@X: There can be Mafia-aligned masons as well.

At deadline a majority of votes cast is needed to lynch.

For reference.

[X]

@X: There can be Mafia-aligned masons as well.

• Masonry: All members are confirmed to be pro-town and share the regular town victory condition.

No, no there can't.

[HowardRoark]

I stand corrected . . . there cannot be Mafia aligned Masons in this game. That makes the claim even dirtier.

charter and I are mason buddies, though I cannot vouch for his towniness. Only mine.

[X]

I stand corrected . . . there cannot be Mafia aligned Masons in this game. That makes the claim even dirtier.

charter and I are mason buddies, though I cannot vouch for his towniness. Only mine.

To me, that looks like he's describing a neighborhood, just using the wrong word. Considering that Charter has verified the Neighbor claim, I really don't think he's lying about being a Neighbor. I'm not saying that either of them are definitely Town...just that the claim is believable.

[charter]

We're not masons, we're neighbors. I don't think Lowell realizes that there's a difference. We're not mod confirmed town to each other, but like I said, I'm reasonably sure he's town.

Paraphrase of our talk.
me- hey
mix- hey
me- (claim my role)
mix- (claims role)
me- pretty sure Starbuck is scum. Lots of obvtowns.
mix- suspicious of starbuck, caboose, darkdude. Ask's me what to do if mufasa isn't vigged.
me- Don't give him a great chance at being scum, but he's hurting the town too much to live. I'm not sold on darkdude being scum, acted similar in a marathon game. Axelrod and Starbuck look scummy. Ask him about his calling out of me, tell him I'm not going to pursue it in thread anymore.
me- game is going down in history
Lowell- hello
me- I think you're town.

[charter]

charter and I are mason buddies, though I cannot vouch for his towniness. Only mine.

Just thought I'd throw that out there, if anyone cares.

Name of the masonry.

Why do you think he is not town?

Also, charter please confirm, deny.

This guy is scum.

[charter]

ekim, post 248 was what I was referring to in 690, though now I'm pretty sure it's tajo, not you.

[Lowell]

@howard- no where in my role does it say the word "mason", only neighborhood. But we can talk at night, which to me makes it a mason group.

[charter]

720's- tajo claiming he's not suspicious of Caboose but leaving his vote on there. Also, he's doing more pointless setup speculation rather than giving us who he is suspicious of now. tajo is scum. unvote, vote tajo

First, I never said I was not suspicous of Caboose.
Second, setup speculation is never pointless since it is giving us the way to play the game. Its more probable to find a Italian than to find a Russian. Setup speculation ftw.
And finally Im not scum.

What I said regarding Caboose is that we know he is a cop. Do we know he is town? Fuck no. Lynching him today, even if the guy is scummy as fuck, its not optymal.

But yeah

unvote.

Caboose has given me more reason to think he's town than most of the other players in this game.

SpyreX, what post did that quote you quoted in 781 come from?

This question reeks of scum. Are you looking for possible footholds because you feel threatened?

Yes, exactly my thinking as well.

They've claimed to have an extra vig that gets enabled when one of them dies. I cannot see how they wouldn't kill the other ASAP if either were scum independently. An extra kill is a huge bonus.

I'd forgotten about this. brb

[charter]

They've claimed to have an extra vig that gets enabled when one of them dies. I cannot see how they wouldn't kill the other ASAP if either were scum independently. An extra kill is a huge bonus.

I'd forgotten about this. brb

Yes, I'd say that pretty much clears them then.