The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Pyromaniac]

I think stepho should be vigged over dev.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Set:

Well, I see Devastation's defense as "I'm lazy" and so he lurks in the open.

I see Stepho's defense as "My life got busy".

There was a strong case against Stepho D1 by not only you but by The Replacement too. I see that case as stronger than any against Dev.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I just read ALL Stepho's posts from his profile. He was DEFINITELY lurking in this game; i.e. posting in other games and not posting here.

Check it out yourself:

1) ISO Stepho
2) Hit "Profile"
3) Click the small link "View all posts by Stepho"

You can see him posting on Wednesday 24th all over the place but no "Chzo Mafia"...

This makes his "I got busy" defense alot of horsecrap.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Quick Link To All Of Stepho's Posts

[Devestation]

Tajo your post and theory of mafia wagoning will turn into a couple of irritating WIFOM's that will vary between induvidual scum...

very well I shall unvote.

unvote

[Stephoscope]

I just read ALL Stepho's posts from his profile. He was DEFINITELY lurking in this game; i.e. posting in other games and not posting here.

Check it out yourself:

1) ISO Stepho
2) Hit "Profile"
3) Click the small link "View all posts by Stepho"

You can see him posting on Wednesday 24th all over the place but no "Chzo Mafia"...

This makes his "I got busy" defense alot of horsecrap.

Just stopping by to say this is BULL.

I have made time for every game I am in, every time I have been able to log on. I most certainly did post in this game on Wednesday the 24th, during the exact time when I posted in other games as well. Go ahead and check!

Guess Lamont threw that turd on the table thinking I wouldn't be able to drop by and call him on it...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Checking...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Wow weird. Sorry about that. I had just woke up -- I don't see how I missed that. It was clear as day you were posting here.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Since I screwed up, I might as well post something decent.

Here is Set's D1 case against Stepho (scum-like self-awareness):

As for Stephoscope, he's playing with the kind of self-awareness usually seen only in scum. He's very careful of what he says, and has made statements like:

I made sure to credit Amished for the catch.

if I were trying to get away with something, I would not have announced it and then have suspicions such as yours come up.

Now here is the Replacement's same argument:

I was really just kidding about the box. I didn't expect it to be a "real" item, just figured it was worth a try.

Why did you think it was okay to lead people on that you had the box?

As for withholding my vote...we have plenty of time, why vote until we have all the information (i.e. what the drink did and who was affected by it)? Although I think eventually I gave in once Lamont wouldn't answer the question about the devil smiley.

Voting is one of the best ways to hold people accountable for their suspcions. If you aren't going to vote at all during the entire beginning of the day we can't be sure of your suspicions and it's a good way for a scum player to sit back and wait until there's a wagon vote that they like and put their vote there or make a vote based on the general opinions of the town, making you appear less accountable overall for your vote when you do put it somewhere and making it so other players can build a case so that you do need to.

Vote: Stephoscope

While you make some good points here about voting and why scum would be reluctant to do it, I have already placed my vote and explained exactly why...so don't accuse me of wanting to sit back and wait for a wagon, because that's not what I did.

It's exactly what you did. There were already five votes on Lamont_Craston when yours finally came around to land on him and the reason you gave wasn't even your own reason, you took what someone else found and used that as the basis for your vote.

I just wanted to make sure we figured out what was going on with the drink before we complicated things with voting...and I wanted to make sure our eventual lynch would be an informed one, with the knowledge of what (if anything) the drink had done.

Voting and lynching are the primary functions of the town. Delaying that function is bad because it can lead to a rushed and less than optimal decisions as deadlines approach.

Well, whether or not you agreed with my thinking (and you do make some good points), you might try being suspicious of people who withheld their votes or were wishy-washy about them

without clearly explaining themselves every step of the way

like I did, but whatever.

On the contrary, I find you more suspicious because of your explanations and reasons that you give. The fact that you stated on more than one occasion that it was your intention not to vote until something specific had passed is what I find scummy. Unless you thought it would be impossible to form suspicions until after, I see no reason why you would declare that you wouldn't be voting. No one else claimed that they wouldn't be voting like you did.

There. I feel better now.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

June 29

Devastation-7 (Stepho, Rock, Naomi, Tajo, Setael, Devastation, Pablo)

Stepho-6 (Zazier, Elmo, Pyro, Xtoxm, Sironi, Lamont)
Setael-3 (Amished, Zwet, Dramonic)
Zwet-1 (Nyx)

Not vig-voting scum: _

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[ZazieR]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

June 29

Devastation-6 (Stepho, Rock, Naomi, Tajo, Setael, Pablo)

Stepho-6 (Zazier, Elmo, Pyro, Xtoxm, Sironi, Lamont)
Setael-3 (Amished, Zwet, Dramonic)
Zwet-1 (Nyx)

Not vig-voting scum: _

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

Devestation unvoted

[zwetschenwasser]

I think stepho should be vigged over dev.

^this, even though Naomi is scummier

[ZazieR]

Then you should either say why Setael should be vig-voted or switch to the Stepho vig-wagon.

[Sironigous]

For Pyro -

Nyx - 6/10
Pyromaniac - ??
dramonic -5/10
populartajo - 8/10
Lamont_Cranston - 4/10
Sironigous - claimed
Stephoscope - 2/10
Devestation - 5/10
zwetschenwasser - 3.5/10
Elmo - 8/10
Rockatansky - 5/10
Amished - claimed
Setael - 3/10
ZazieR - 9/10
Xtoxm - 9/10
Pablo Molinero - 5/10
Naomi_Saotome - claimed

So...

Basically this reads as close to 10 is town, closer to 1 is scum.

5 is neutral read.

For Pyro, I'm completely confused.
For those that claimed, I'm waiting to see some other form of confirmation - especially from Naomi.

For myself, well... Yeah.

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So... Essentially I'd extremely glad the Stepho wagon is happening.

If the Dev wagon goes through, I'm mostly feeling neutral on that.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

June 29

Devastation-6 (Stepho, Rock, Naomi, Tajo, Setael, Pablo)

Stepho-6 (Zazier, Elmo, Pyro, Xtoxm, Sironi, Lamont)

Setael-3 (Amished, Zwet, Dramonic)
Zwet-1 (Nyx)

Not vig-voting scum:

Devastation

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Pablo Molinero]

Amished, Zwet, Dramonic: you gonna stay on Setael til the deadline?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Nyx is also going to re-vote before he does the vig...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok I want to be on record.

I do not like this situation at all.

The following people are stalling: Nyx, Amished, Zwet, Dramonic

The worst here is Nyx. If we don't hear from him soon I am going to give him +scum points for trying to encourage a bad D2 lynch (or even a D2 NL).

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ooops, and I forgot Devastation who

again

is not voting...

[Knight of Cydonia]

A reminder, my dear boys and girls: you have 8 days, 9 hours and 27 minutes until deadline.

[Lamont_Cranston]

^^^ wat he sed

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote, Vote Nyx

[Pyromaniac]

He is v/la.

[Pyromaniac]

Elmo is confirmed.

[Lamont_Cranston]

V/LA until Monday.

Didn't want to do this but have too, will be reading

( phone )

but can't post until then.

Hello its Monday...