The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[ZazieR]

In response to post 1966:
He indeed said that Lamont nailed the claim. However, unless you can prove that this gave Lamont town-points, I don''t see how this makes Deves scummy.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Lamont

What''s your opinion at this moment:
A Stepho-town, Naomi-town
B Stepho-scum, Naomi-town
C Stepho-town, Naomi-scum
D Stepho-scum, Naomi-scum
E Something else

and why?

I'm leaning towards D or C.

We don't have much to go on due to a lack of a D1 lynch but the case against Stepho is the strongest.

I have gone into great detail already as to why I think Naomi is scum. It is a very long list of things but it can be summed up with the following:

Nothing she has said in relation to her claim has made any sense.

[Lamont_Cranston]

So if Trilby is a "safeclaim", that means that Trilby is not actually a role in the game? I find that idea absurd.

Naomi is Trilby. Lamont is obvscum--and that's not OMGUS, that's noting that he thinks I should be shot just because I changed my mind about something and he supposedly doesn't agree.

To anyone who has not yet voted: there is likely several scum already on my wagon, and there will be one more once Devestation inevitably switches his vig vote to me. Please make the right choice.

There is an entire case against you made by Set & The Replacement which I have reviewed. You can see my links to them both.

I don't think you should of changed your mind about Naomi though.

[Lamont_Cranston]

And Lamont still can't explain how changing my mind is supposedly a scumtell.

Its just something I disagree with at this point. You are correct that it cannot be a scum tell because we are apparently dealing with two mafi factions in this game. That allows for both you and Naomi to be scum, each in a different faction. The only thing I can be certain of is that you both cannot be scum in the

same

faction.

[ZazieR]

And Lamont still can't explain how changing my mind is supposedly a scumtell.

Its just something I disagree with at this point. You are correct that it cannot be a scum tell because we are apparently dealing with two mafi factions in this game. That allows for both you and Naomi to be scum, each in a different faction. The only thing I can be certain of is that you both cannot be scum in the

same

faction.

Wait. Two mafia factions?

[Pyromaniac]

PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT VOTING FOR NAOMI OR WOULD NOT BE IF THEY DID NOT WANT TO VIG SOMEONE FIRST
Please explain how the following sequences of post do not convict naomi. I may have gotten some of the post numbers wrong. Two is the most important.

1. 998, 1002, 1006, 1015, 1028, (stalling for time)
2. 1031, 1033, 1038

Reposting since it got ignored by everybody except one person.


Although purposing polices is usually bad, I have one to suggest. How about if we get to two days before deadline, we lynch the person with the most votes.IF there are two wagons that might possible go through (one at 6, the other at 5) then we will force everybody to chose between one of those two wagons. Sound good?

[Pyromaniac]

Two kills.

[Lamont_Cranston]

And you (Stepho) still haven''t explained what comments have made you think that Naomi''s claim is true.

Naomi's entire body of work and the mod's 1206, along with the lack of a counterclaim with apparent protection available.

I think with

Ho

Elmo

Hohum living an extra day along with Amished's protection promise should be enough to bring the CC.

We still might get a CC but,

nothing that Naomi has said makes her likely to actually be Trilby and what the Mod has said does not prove she isn't scum.

Logically, since the bolded statement is true then without a CC Trilby must be a safe claim.

[Lamont_Cranston]

And Lamont still can't explain how changing my mind is supposedly a scumtell.

Its just something I disagree with at this point. You are correct that it cannot be a scum tell because we are apparently dealing with two mafi factions in this game. That allows for both you and Naomi to be scum, each in a different faction. The only thing I can be certain of is that you both cannot be scum in the

same

faction.

Wait. Two mafia factions?

Yes this is the theory. I'll go back and get the N1 kills but there are clearly two seperate killing entities very clearly described.

[Pyromaniac]

I don't feel any need to waste more time explaining my thoughts on Naomi, given that she is apparently not a candidate for vig or lynch.

wat

She doesn't have votes for the vig, and I tend to believe she is protected. I didn't realize she had a couple votes for the lynch, and I will certainly step in and defend her if need be...but I still really don't want to talk about the lynch until we know what the vig results are.

If it's clear I'm going to be vigged, of course, I will do my best to help the town beforehand (while simultaneously trying to save myself--it'd be a mistake)

She is the most likely lynch candidate. She would already be vigged is she could be.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I don't feel any need to waste more time explaining my thoughts on Naomi, given that she is apparently not a candidate for vig or lynch.

wat

She doesn't have votes for the vig, and I tend to believe she is protected. I didn't realize she had a couple votes for the lynch, and I will certainly step in and defend her if need be...but I still really don't want to talk about the lynch until we know what the vig results are.

If it's clear I'm going to be vigged, of course, I will do my best to help the town beforehand (while simultaneously trying to save myself--it'd be a mistake)

She is the most likely lynch candidate. She would already be vigged is she could be.

I would of pushed her vig mercilessly if I could have.

[Pyromaniac]

Can everyone please post a scum list similar to Xtoxm's and mine?

[populartajo]

Bleh, basically I see it this way:

We have to vig as soon as possible. Lynch deadline is close. Pretty clear that Dev and Steph are the top candidates and that one of them has to go today.

Im leaning to go with Dev here (see previous posts for analysis) but really the important thing here is to stop stalling. Both are already very very informational lynches regardless of alignment. We also have the bonus information of competing wagons.

For example,

If Dev is town, then its more probable that there is scum in his wagon.

If Dev is scum, then its more probable that there is scum out his wagon.

The same can be said about Steph. The thing is that we need to have that information now.

[Pyromaniac]

1. Nyx - Historical Advisor Seems somewhat pro town. Hasn't done anything anti town. 7/10
2. Pyromaniac - Thief 10/10
3.

Shadow Knight

dramonic - TV anchorman Seems reasonable. Hasn't posted enough to make up for SK's active lurking. 6/10
4. populartajo - Best Boy Lurker, getting better. 6/10
5. Lamont_Cranston - Make-up Artiste Pro town 10/10
6. Sironigous - Bodyguard to TV Anchor 4/10
7.

Queen Elizabeth II

Stephoscope - Thief ???
8. Devestation - Cameraman 3/10
9.

UnofficialRulerofEveryone

zwetschenwasser - Sound Engineer Seems like town zwet to me. 8/10
10.

hohum

Elmo - Thief 10/10
11.

NuevaVida

Rockatansky - Groundskeeper LURKER ALERT 4/10
12. Amished - Wardrobe Manager 8/10
13.

Malkon

Setael - Schoolboy 2/10
14.

Alabaska J

ZazieR - Gaffer Liked AJ. Zazie hasn't posted anything meaningful. 7/10
15. Xtoxm - Policeman 9/10

16.

Kratos

The Replacement - Schoolboy (Innocent, killed N1.

17. Pablo Molinero - Policeman ehhhh 5/10
18. Naomi_Saotome - Make-up Artiste -5000/10

19. Sajin - Historical Advisor's Research Assistant (Innocent, killed N1

Requoting mine. Looking for Xtoxm's.

[Pyromaniac]

1. Nyx - ???
2. Pyromaniac - Town
3. Shadow Knightdramonic - ???
4. populartajo - ???
5. Lamont_Cranston - Town
6. Sironigous - Town
7. Queen Elizabeth IIStephoscope - Lean Town
8. Devestation - Lean Town
9. UnofficialRulerofEveryonezwetschenwasser - ???
10. hohumElmo - Town
11. NuevaVidaRockatansky - Lean Town
12. Amished - Town
13. MalkonSetael - ???
14. Alabaska J - Lean Town
15. Xtoxm - Town
16. KratosThe Replacement - Schoolboy (Innocent, killed N1.
17. Pablo Molinero - ???
18. Naomi_Saotome - ???
19. Sajin - Historical Advisor's Research Assistant (Innocent, killed N1

That leaves me 7 suspects...Well 6 for all intents and purposes...

Vig Zwet

I usually find him obvtown.

Seteal looks genuine here.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Sironi
Dramonic
Stepho
Rockta
Naomi
Devastation

I'm not saying everyone on this list is scum but these are the people I would be focusing on.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Bleh, basically I see it this way:

We have to vig as soon as possible. Lynch deadline is close. Pretty clear that Dev and Steph are the top candidates and that one of them has to go today.

Im leaning to go with Dev here (see previous posts for analysis) but really the important thing here is to stop stalling. Both are already very very informational lynches regardless of alignment. We also have the bonus information of competing wagons.

For example,

If Dev is town, then its more probable that there is scum in his wagon.

If Dev is scum, then its more probable that there is scum out his wagon.

The same can be said about Steph. The thing is that we need to have that information now.

Awesome post. The best I think we can do is vig on Monday then nyx gets back.

[Pyromaniac]

@Nyx Before you vig get on one of the main wagons.
@Dev. Unvote plox. If you are town it hurts the town. If you are scum it hurts the scum. SO no matter which side you are on, you should unvote.

[ZazieR]

And Lamont still can't explain how changing my mind is supposedly a scumtell.

Its just something I disagree with at this point. You are correct that it cannot be a scum tell because we are apparently dealing with two mafi factions in this game. That allows for both you and Naomi to be scum, each in a different faction. The only thing I can be certain of is that you both cannot be scum in the

same

faction.

Wait. Two mafia factions?

Yes this is the theory. I'll go back and get the N1 kills but there are clearly two seperate killing entities very clearly described.

Which could also mean a SK or a vig, instead of a second mafia group.
So why do you assume two mafia groups?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

June 29

Devastation-7 (Stepho, Rock, Naomi, Tajo, Setael, Devastation, Pablo)

Stepho-6 (Zazier, Elmo, Pyro, Xtoxm, Sironi, Lamont)
Setael-3 (Amished, Zwet, Dramonic)
Zwet-1 (Nyx)

Not vig-voting scum: _

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[ZazieR]

I do not really prefer to do a complete list, but I can put up those who I see as scummy.

[Pyromaniac]

Sure whatever.

[Lamont_Cranston]

And Lamont still can't explain how changing my mind is supposedly a scumtell.

Its just something I disagree with at this point. You are correct that it cannot be a scum tell because we are apparently dealing with two mafi factions in this game. That allows for both you and Naomi to be scum, each in a different faction. The only thing I can be certain of is that you both cannot be scum in the

same

faction.

Wait. Two mafia factions?

Yes this is the theory. I'll go back and get the N1 kills but there are clearly two seperate killing entities very clearly described.

Which could also mean a SK or a vig, instead of a second mafia group.
So why do you assume two mafia groups?

Well because the way they were described apparently fits the game as two evil factions. I am not familiar with the tall man. I only played the first two games. It just seems to fit the natural appearance of things.

Oh, and there is this thing that Amish talked about this Order of the Agonies or some such thing...

The question is, how are we to know? The only way to know for sure is if there is a cross kill I guess...

I would prefer it if there were NOT two factions because it would make things much easier on us to root out the scum. With that in mind, it does also make sense since we know the Mod wants to make it tough on us...

[Setael]

Couldn't one of the 2 killing faction be an SK?

@pyro - your post telling dev to unvote is weird. If you're protown, wouldn't you want scum to do something that hurts scum?

I'm feeling a dev vig much more than a stepho vig, but I agree with Tajo that either will provide good info. Stepho's defense in face of a vig wagon has been much more townie than dev's. She could just be acting, but at least she's not just hiding like dev is.

[Pyromaniac]

One of the factions could be the SK. Naomi of steph could be the SK. They would still both be scum.