The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[ZazieR]

Tajo, regarding your post about Stepho, you mentioned Stepho VS Lamont a lot.
So I was wondering if you could also see a connection between Stepho and Lamont.

As I pointed out Steph is really keen on lynching Lammont. Lyncher/lynchee relationship comes to mind. Pretty clear that if one of them is scum, the other its automatically cleared of being scum with the other.

What do you actually think is most likely?
A. Lamont-town, Stepho-town
B. Lamont-scum, Stepho-town
C. Lamont-town, Stepho-scum
D. Lamont-scum, Stepho-scum
E. Something else

and why?

[populartajo]

@Tajo

You actually 'commented' on Stepho's response, but you never state what you thought of Deves response. Why's that and what did you think of it?

Dev response was kinda meh, nothing too relevant to make me change my mind about me thinking he is a healthy lynch. Ive recently developed a dislike for quote battle things and what not.

Do you think Steph is more scummy than Dev? Why?

[populartajo]

Tajo, regarding your post about Stepho, you mentioned Stepho VS Lamont a lot.
So I was wondering if you could also see a connection between Stepho and Lamont.

As I pointed out Steph is really keen on lynching Lammont. Lyncher/lynchee relationship comes to mind. Pretty clear that if one of them is scum, the other its automatically cleared of being scum with the other.

What do you actually think is most likely?
A. Lamont-town, Stepho-town
B. Lamont-scum, Stepho-town
C. Lamont-town, Stepho-scum
D. Lamont-scum, Stepho-scum
E. Something else

and why?

Im going with A. I can see B and C but I dont see D. As for E, there is always some possiblity of a weird role or win condition.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well, my research has proven that BOTH Naomi & Stepho cannot be scum.

It is because of:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 58#1697158 post #985 -- Third votecount with 32 hours left -- NAOMI now leads the pack with 7 votes.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 63#1697363 post #989 -- Stepho votes Naomi out of the blue for no reason and puts her at L-2

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 80#1697480 post #1020 -- Stepho now attacks Naomi for her claim which justifies his earlier vote before her claim

There was no reason for Stepho to vote Naomi

before

she "claimed" but he did so and put her at L-2. No scum will do that to another for no reason.

[Nyx]

V/LA until Monday.

Didn't want to do this but have too, will be reading

( phone )

but can't post until then.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I have reviewed both:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 54#1696354 post #931 -- Set's case against Stepho. Amazing how the two top wagons mirror this.

and

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 92#1693592 post #842 -- Replacement's case against Stepho very interesting posts that follow

There is a strong case for Stepho here. If Stepho flips scum, Naomi is cleared.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

June 29

Devastation-7 (Stepho, Rock, Naomi, Tajo, Setael, Devastation, Pablo)

Stepho-6 (Zazier, Elmo, Pyro, Xtoxm, Sironi, Lamont)
Setael-3 (Amished, Zwet, Dramonic)
Zwet-1 (Nyx)

Not vig-voting scum: _

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[ZazieR]

@Tajo

You actually 'commented' on Stepho's response, but you never state what you thought of Deves response. Why's that and what did you think of it?

Dev response was kinda meh, nothing too relevant to make me change my mind about me thinking he is a healthy lynch. Ive recently developed a dislike for quote battle things and what not.

Do you think Steph is more scummy than Dev? Why?

Yes. This explains why.

[ZazieR]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

June 29

Devastation-7 (Stepho, Rock, Naomi, Tajo, Setael, Devastation, Pablo)

Stepho-6 (Zazier, Elmo, Pyro, Xtoxm, Sironi, Lamont)
Setael-3 (Amished, Zwet, Dramonic)
Zwet-1 (Nyx)

Not vig-voting scum: _

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

In other words, Zwet, Nyx, Dramonic (and perhaps Amished) should change wagons unless they can argue why the player they are voting is a better target.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Elmo will be leaving the game on the 22nd of July. At that point, hohum will be returning to the role. If anyone has any reasonable problem with this, other than "DO NOT WANT", please PM me, so that you can feel as if your opinion matters.

[Pyromaniac]

I don't feel any need to waste more time explaining my thoughts on Naomi, given that she is apparently not a candidate for vig or lynch.

wat

[Pyromaniac]

Well, my research has proven that BOTH Naomi & Stepho cannot be scum.

It is because of:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 58#1697158 post #985 -- Third votecount with 32 hours left -- NAOMI now leads the pack with 7 votes.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 63#1697363 post #989 -- Stepho votes Naomi out of the blue for no reason and puts her at L-2

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 80#1697480 post #1020 -- Stepho now attacks Naomi for her claim which justifies his earlier vote before her claim

There was no reason for Stepho to vote Naomi

before

she "claimed" but he did so and put her at L-2. No scum will do that to another for no reason.

It was clear naomi was going to lynched that day. Bussing.

[Pyromaniac]

Also lamont, different factions.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well, my research has proven that BOTH Naomi & Stepho cannot be scum.

It is because of:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 58#1697158 post #985 -- Third votecount with 32 hours left -- NAOMI now leads the pack with 7 votes.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 63#1697363 post #989 -- Stepho votes Naomi out of the blue for no reason and puts her at L-2

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 80#1697480 post #1020 -- Stepho now attacks Naomi for her claim which justifies his earlier vote before her claim

There was no reason for Stepho to vote Naomi

before

she "claimed" but he did so and put her at L-2. No scum will do that to another for no reason.

It was clear naomi was going to lynched that day. Bussing.

The only reason I can even consider what you are saying here is because there was significant voting pressure on Stepho -- but what you say in the next post blows my argument out of the water:

Also lamont, different factions.

QFT.

My vote stays with Stepho then.

[dramonic]

<<
>>

With Nyx gone, this could take a while.
If we don't move it we're going to have a no-lynch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

V/LA until Monday.

Didn't want to do this but have too, will be reading

( phone )

but can't post until then.

When Nyx gets back, someone is going to get shot...

[Lamont_Cranston]

I have reviewed both:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 54#1696354 post #931 -- Set's case against Stepho. Amazing how the two top wagons mirror this.

and

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 92#1693592 post #842 -- Replacement's case against Stepho very interesting posts that follow

There is a strong case for Stepho here.

If Stepho flips scum, Naomi is cleared

.

/fixed

[Naomi_Saotome]

What do you actually think is most likely?
A. Lamont-town, Stepho-town
B. Lamont-scum, Stepho-town
C. Lamont-town, Stepho-scum
D. Lamont-scum, Stepho-scum
E. Something else

My feeling leans towards E, B, and A


I think Stepho is refering to post 1206...
Where KoC explains why, as he put it ...allowed players with less than normal experience to participate in this game...

Nyx I hope you're back on Monday!

[Lamont_Cranston]

I think Stepho is refering to post 1206...
Where KoC explains why, as he put it ...allowed players with less than normal experience to participate in this game...

Well the theory isn't that players would have less than normal experience

alone

but that players

as scum

would have less than normal experience.

if a player normally seems intelligent as a person, it can be reasonably expected that they know how to properly read a role PM.

Instead it looks like their "role pm" might of read something along the lines of: "The following safe claim is available to you: Trilby"

The main reason for this is that the "flavor" provided with the Trilby claim totally contradicts the the R/L game that

this

game is based on...

[ZazieR]

Also lamont, different factions.

What was this aimed at?

[ZazieR]

<<
>>

With Nyx gone, this could take a while.
If we don't move it we're going to have a no-lynch.

Any reason why you aren''t trying to convince others to get Setael vig-shot?

[ZazieR]

What do you actually think is most likely?
A. Lamont-town, Stepho-town
B. Lamont-scum, Stepho-town
C. Lamont-town, Stepho-scum
D. Lamont-scum, Stepho-scum
E. Something else

My feeling leans towards E, B, and A


I think Stepho is refering to post 1206...
Where KoC explains why, as he put it ...allowed players with less than normal experience to participate in this game...

Nyx I hope you're back on Monday!

If I remember correctly, you major FoSed Stepho yesterday. So when and why did your opinion of him change?
And why are you responding to a question that is aimed at Stepho?

[ZazieR]

Looking back, Naomi never told what the flavor was with her claim. So can you do so?

[ZazieR]

Also,

Could we have a vote count?

Not sure if this also have to be bolded green

[Pyromaniac]

Also lamont, different factions.

What was this aimed at?

Lamont, who said that Naomi was cleared if stepho was scum.