Finally had enough time to sit down, read through things and post.
First off, when I made my previous post, in no way did I claim to clear pesco47, in fact, I was still perfectly fine with him being the D1 lynch at that time and did not think he was now Likely Town. I merely stated that I thought there were better targets to pursue, and that I was going to properly expand on this (and move my vote, if PP/Hascow really *did* wind up being more likely to be scum than pesco after my latest reread and analysis.)
Finally, any scum trying to pull off a quickhammer
On Day 1
is a moron who will promptly get lynched the next day. Therefore I see very little danger in leaving people at L-2 on D1 for even extendend periods of time. Even if scum do coordinate a quickhammer it will almost certainly screw them over the very next day.
Anyway! First order of business is the image overreaction to my post. Personally, his immediate response to it seems a bit of a "Gotcha!" style thing and it does take a bit of reading into what I said to get that result. That being said, it is a plausible interpretation of what I said, combined with being a rather...weak argument (are you implying that it makes me scummy, for instance? If yes, why no ##Vote?), and furthermore Sotty7 brings up the point that...how do you know that it would necessarily be a mis-lynch?
Later post again brings up the point of a turbo-lynch of pesco, which, again, see my comment about a quickhammer of someone on Day Freaking One being completely freaking idiotic.
Granted, his later post does improve his opinions of him in my eye again. Going to put him under IGMEOY territory, but I doubt he's scum atm. Certainly not the ideal lynch target for today, in any order.
On the other hand, PP...
Post 114 states that you think that hascow was deliberately trying to bait the NK. To be honest, I actually had (and still have) this opinion, hence me being v. perplexed at his post earlier in the thread. What I don't like is how this is coupled with very blatant rolefishing that actually seems like a scum trying to figure out if he should NK hascow N1 after all, or not.
In post 126 we have the following phrase:
PaperPenguin wrote:
1.) Trying to place yourself in the mafia's shoes is what every townie should aspire to do.
I do agree with this, it's one of the main methods by which one can catch scum.
But then, you continue onwards to...
PaperPenguin wrote:
Trying to look as town as possible though, is bordering on the mafia mindset. If I was mafia then that would be what I would do; I find it strange that you would look at even trying to predict mafia actions as scummy. Bad logic indeed, image.
The first part is just the Too Townie fallacy. There is no reason why a townie should ever look
deliberately scummy
, that is utter nonsense. Don't do that shit, ever. This is followed up with a classical Argumentum ad Hitlerum (If I was mafia, I would be trying to lynch people, therefore lynching people is bad and we should all vote no lynch every time!), and a statement which I actually do agree with, namely that trying to predict mafia actions is, while usually a pile of WIFOM, not inheritly scummy in and of itsself.
It's just so strange how everything is worded, though. It seems like a deliberate attempt to make image sound scummy.
In 163 he votes image for what he claims to be "potentially an OMGUS, but he wouldn't know". What does this even mean, really? Is it an OMGUS, or is it not one? Do you legitimately think that image is scum? And would it take so long to specify which post number is the one with your reasons for voting him? Seriously.
One thing worthy of note is that in Post #156 Sotty7 calls his vote on VPB a "random" vote, whereas he dispelled this claim when I asked him about it earlier. Is this just an issue of semantics here, Sotty7, or what? Furthermore, what's your opinion on VPB now.
Pesco is only concentrating on VPB/e_k again and not being v. clear on why they are scummy beyond "lol arguing" "lol scumteam" and a bit of psycholinguistics (which may be valid, but still). So what are your opinions on people
not
named "VP Baltar" or "elvis_knits", pesco?
I am curious why the blowfish has not done any analysis on some of today's main targets, like VPB/e_k, or pesco, or PP. I understand that you're busy, but I would definetly like to see more input from you about people not named Empking (no matter how f$%#$%$#ing hateful Empking is). Explicitly stating that you don't want to take sides is bad, because while they all
do
have scummy merits, it has the appearance that you're reluctant to say anything lest it potentially connect you to someone who may be on your scumteam.
Post 190 has Sotty7 making a good point about X and image, another instance of IGMEOY on image for me at this point, really.
As for hascow, I find his claim that Sotty7 is trying to be UTR rather laughable, I don't see this at all, in fact Sotty7 seems to be present quite often and seems to consistently make solid posts, at least so far (inb4 chainsaw defence). That being said, I can't see why Sotty7 went on hascow's case about trying to tie in our good friend the blowfish to image just based off a single line asking for more opinions. More interestingly, she mentions herself and f-light, but not pesco, despite all 3 being mentioned in the same line from hascow.
In 199, I am wondering why hascow would think that not posting an opinion about a player immediately is necessarily the right thing to do (in fact in almost all of the scenarios I keep thinking up, this is blatantly anti-town and the classic case of a mafian making sure his lies are consistent across posts), so I would definetly like an explanation from hascow on this point.
I somewhat dislike e_k defending me so strongly in post 204, but the points *are* valid so ultimately no complains there.
Finally, Empking, can you just go die, seriously. You're about to take the "most useless player" award from its current candidate in my mind, and this is not a good thing. Since it seems there are no vigs, I actually do support an Empking lynch on D1, as I really do not want him around in the game later.
The issue is that, we have bigger fish to fry right now. So here's the TL;DR version of my above post:
- Image is slightly weird in his post and definetly warrants close watching, but I don't think he's scummy just for it.
- PP has managed to do massive rolefishing, bizarre posts, inconsistent posts and seems to be perfectly happy with justifying his vote solely by means of an OMGUS. At this point,
##Unvote, ##Vote: PaperPenguin
- Pesco is still my second target for a lynch today. My reasons for this are largely the same as e_k's in 204.
- Strangely enough, my next most likely target for scum would be, actually, e_k. The way she's interacting with pesco makes it seem as she is trying to artificially push pesco's lynch. The issue is that this is just gut and doesn't have enough justification, but if I was to have a 1vig and be forced to use it right now, she would be my target.
- VPB, Sotty7 and Juls are all likely town at this point, though I want more input from Juls on people who are not named "Pesco47" or "Empking".
- hascow...needs to post more content. I can't seem to get a read on him at all right now too, which is worrying when combined with some of his weirdness (not the least of which is his softclaim).
- X seems to actually be doing a semi-decent job at skirting under the radar, and his QFT of image regarding my post is worrying (especially when coupled with the claim that he doesn't necessarily think that my post was scummy - yet image seems to be at least insinuating in that post that I was a possible scum due to it). Basically, he needs to post more and offer opinions on more people. I do want to hear what he thinks of me specifically, as well as why that post of mine could be considered scummy.
- Empking needs to go die in a fire.
Finally,
Vi wrote:
---Moriarty147 has been prodded off a cliff with his arch-nemesis.
You win for this.
