Mini 801- Kubrick Mafia (Over)

[Fishythefish]

Argh. Actually, that last post from Infinis is horrible. "I'll follow Spartacus"- absolving himself of authority and appealing to the fact that the semi-clear player is on his side, as if this makes him more likely town.

unvote, vote Infinis

VT lynch isn't devastating at this stage. Infinis looks terrible.

[ortolan]

@ all Infinis voters: If you knew for a fact that Infinis knew the entirety of the VT pm (which I think at this stage is pretty likely), would you still vote for him? That's the question I'm trying to answer for myself, and I think on balance not.

Um yes * a million.

But seeing as BC apparently got a guilty on lazarus already we should be lynching him.

Unvote
Vote: lazarus

[Infinis]

Argh. Actually, that last post from Infinis is horrible. "I'll follow Spartacus"- absolving himself of authority and appealing to the fact that the semi-clear player is on his side, as if this makes him more likely town.

unvote, vote Infinis

VT lynch isn't devastating at this stage. Infinis looks terrible.

Other than claiming scum, this is the scummiest thing I've read here. Lynching a VT is a bad plan always. BC said his cop power was now active, so therefore I went with flavor and the assumption. So either I misconstrued what he wrote, since he voted Laz immediately (which now it seems I did) or you don't believe he's the cop (moot point now)

So anyway, the ultimate lurk play that was/is Archon/kise is frustrating borderline scummy. With a promised investigation to all my voters do you believe one more night to clear me will break the game?

I'm not going to vote yet, barning is bad.

[ortolan]

You're not going to vote despite a cop guilty?

and what is "barning"?

[BloodCovenent]

@ all Infinis voters: If you knew for a fact that Infinis knew the entirety of the VT pm (which I think at this stage is pretty likely), would you still vote for him? That's the question I'm trying to answer for myself, and I think on balance not.

Um yes * a million.

But seeing as BC apparently got a guilty on lazarus already we should be lynching him.

Unvote
Vote: lazarus

No, i never said that, i just think we should lynch laz first. I don't think that Infinis is scummy. My cop actions are now available, they were not during night 1. which leads me to believe a special group had to use night actions to confirm that i was the cop. I.E, asking/telling Emp that I was the cop during the night. Now, i gain investigations. I never got a guilty on anyone, i tried to investigate, and the only response i got, is saying that my cop powers are active.

Also, i'm presuming that there is a doc in this game, since there was no Night Kill. Which.... makes me, now that I think about it... want to keep him hidden, and around, that way i can (hopefully) make it through the next night with a successful investigation. So, even if Infinis is townie... i am now beginning to think that lynching him, isn't such a bad idea, unless someone has another player that is more scummy? i would prefer to lynch laz today, but that's just me.

[ortolan]

Unvote
Vote: Infinis

You can investigate lazarus tomorrow then, I am not letting Infinis live

[BloodCovenent]

Unvote
Vote: Infinis

You can investigate lazarus tomorrow then, I am not letting Infinis live

damnit! and what if he turns up town?

[BloodCovenent]

Spolium
skitzer
Kise
Ash

we have not heard from any of these players, i do not want a lynch until we hear from them.

[ortolan]

damnit! and what if he turns up town?

what if lazarus turns up town? I think Infinis is more likely to be scum than lazarus

[BloodCovenent]

bah! i still want to hear from those players I mentioned.

mod, can we get some prods please? Yes, i know about Kise. I do not approve of his V/LA >.<

[ortolan]

The thread's been open only 13 hours.

Obviously we don't want to speedlynch Infinis

[Infinis]

damnit! and what if he turns up town?

what if lazarus turns up town? I think Infinis is more likely to be scum than lazarus

Would you bet you're lynch tomorrow on it? B/c you pushed me yesterday and now today. When i flip town, you are guilty. Sadly I think it's over zealousness and blindness, and not scum driven behavior.

::facepalm:: what is barning? That's the blindness again, the link to mafia wiki is on top.

[ortolan]

Would you bet you're lynch tomorrow on it?

No, because I don't need to, because I am obv-town.

When i flip town, you are guilty. Sadly I think it's over zealousness and blindness, and not scum driven behavior.

So you think I should be lynched for "mislynching" you but you don't actually think I am scummy?

::facepalm:: what is barning? That's the blindness again, the link to mafia wiki is on top.

Blindness? That word is not in common usage in mafia, I've never come across it before. It's also a crappy catchphrase.

[Fishythefish]

Lynching a VT is a bad plan always.

Of course. But you are not a confirmed VT. I'm not prepared to leave a scummy player alive all game. The VT point was really because it's relatively likely there's a doc out there. If so, the only disastrous move today is outing said doc.

BC said his cop power was now active, so therefore I went with flavor and the assumption. So either I misconstrued what he wrote, since he voted Laz immediately (which now it seems I did) or you don't believe he's the cop (moot point now)

If he had actual information, he would certainly have said so.

So anyway, the ultimate lurk play that was/is Archon/kise is frustrating borderline scummy. With a promised investigation to all my voters do you believe one more night to clear me will break the game?

"One more night to clear me" is a nonsense. If you are the most likely scum, and you aren't a power role, there's no reason to wait for an investigation. Clearing you is a waste of an investigation; one more night is one more night to use any scum powers you possess.

[ortolan]

Of course. But you are not a confirmed VT. I'm not prepared to leave a scummy player alive all game. The VT point was really because it's relatively likely there's a doc out there. If so, the only disastrous move today is outing said doc.

This is an incredibly good point. There's very likely a doc out there judging by last night. If this is true we practically have an auto-win, BC just investigates the scummiest players each night until he gets a guilty. We were all perfectly happy to lynch Infinis yesterday, except he claimed extra, and it is now proven that Pads knew exactly what is in the extra PM (don't bother disputing this). So, rather than risk wagoning the doctor to a claim, can we lynch the person we all found scummy enough to lynch yesterday until he claimed something we know scum have knowledge of? Ta.

[muzzz]

Vote: Laz

I'll follow Spartacus.

I'm not going to vote yet, barning is bad.

Liar.

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The rest is just too ridiculous to quote. No, we're not lynching a lurker when we can lynch obvscum. No, we're not investigating obvscum when we can lynch obvscum. And I

HATE

those "if I flip townie..." defenses.

[BloodCovenent]

who do you want me to investigate tonight? i was going to do Kise, unless there is someone scummier.

[muzzz]

I'd either investigate the scummiest person to survive today, or the person who is hardest to read.

And it's a really bad idea to publicly announce your upcoming investigations. Unless you're WIFOM'ing the scum, of course.

[Fishythefish]

And it's a really bad idea to publicly announce your upcoming investigations. Unless you're WIFOM'ing the scum, of course.

This. The scum may have ways to corrupt or stop your investigation if they know the target.

[cateraction]

Infinis is obvscum.

BC: Infinis has claimed VT, so you're either going to get a VT or a scum claim. Knowing we have other power roles makes this a decent lynch even if infinis wasn't obvscum.

[ortolan]

The reason Infinis hasn't even voted yet is that he doesn't want to give us any more information than we already have

[muzzz]

We don't

know

we have other powerroles. It's "just" the simplest explanation for the lack of a NK. But it's not the only possible explanation.

[ortolan]

I guess I could ask

Infinis, who are you voting?

[muzzz]

Orto, did you read 390?

[ortolan]

yep