The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Devestation]

Ok, starting with posts that caught my attention.
The first one is post 557 (Devestation):

Okay Lamont, firstly the "battle of items" is something I quoted from YOU (post 529 which was in turn quoted from xtoxm), so don't try and pin that term on me.

Secondly: I did not say it WAS happening, I said "this might happen". Right now it CAN'T happen as there are not enough items present to HAVE a "battle", but if items start showing up at a faster rate I would expect to see something interesting show up.

To be honest, I don't want to even get one of those items in the first place.

Bolded is what bugs me. The given items can either help or destroy. If you''re town, you want to have an item in case it helps as catching scum comes before surviving. Also, you know your allignment. If you have an item, you know that it''s town who is controlling it. If you''re scum, you can try to get an item in case it helps town, but it could cost you your life. Which is something scum don''t want.

This is why I find it scummy that Devestation doesn''t want to have an item.

Go back and you'll find this was already countered.

[ZazieR]

Link?

[Devestation]

And Nyx, you know I'm slightly insane but if through my actions I have managed to convince the town that I am scum even though I am town myself, I probably don't deserve to be here.

[ZazieR]

And now that you''re here, why were you stalling to post your suspicions?

[ZazieR]

Why has Stepho dropped off everyone's radar after getting wagoned nicely D1?

Let's answer that later. For now, let's discuss why in the world you want to make a decision about lynching when we don't even know what the vig will reveal.

This is very scummy to me.
Yesterday, there was a no-lynch, mainly because of what was discussed during the day: What to do with the fluid.
Now, he''s trying to get it this way again by trying to only discuss the possible day-kill.
This is even worse when he''s vig-voting somebody he thinks is suspicious, and then tries to ''hide'' for the previous accusations by saying we should discuss the vig kill first aka trying to avoid suspicions.

[Devestation]

Because typing those suspicions means going back to read 72 pages. Its currently 12:10am Thursday night.

Pass >_>

[ZazieR]

Because typing those suspicions means going back to read 72 pages. Its currently 12:10am Thursday night.

Pass >_>

Was this also the case when you said the other times you''d read?

Also, see post 1801.

[ZazieR]

Regarding Page (Yes, Page) 57:

Pyro, you called Shadow lurker scum. Now, he''s been replaced, yet you didn''t mention this after the replacement got in. Why''s this?
Also, why did you vote Setael after you realised she didn''t replace Shadow?

[Setael]

@zazier - I was voting the person who was #1 on my scum list. I was not taking into account wagon sizes. My suspicion of steph relied heavily on dev being scum and them being buddies. I'm not sure I was right. I certainly think steph should be more active. Tough to have any kind of read when he's not around much.

I guess it's possible dev's self-voting is exasperated town, but it feels more like scum trying to derail his vig wagon. My vote stays.

[Lamont_Cranston]

unvote, vote Devestation

My flip as vanilla innocent will not be an excuse to hunt Setael. My question in itself is not an excuse to hunt Setael. The reason why I went after Setael was because of his stereotype aggressive mafia reactions, and you should have probably figured that out.

You claim vanilla innocent just like siro. So you'll get the same question from me. Do you deserve to be here ?

I'm still mid-thread here but I have found his play to be most unsatisfactory as of late. He has provided no defense when queried and no substance when attacking. It is a kind of active-lurking.

Self-voting & claiming Vanillager doesn't help it all.

[Elmo]

I dislike Stepho independently and currently think killing Stepho > Devestation > Setael.

[ZazieR]

I also have rather Stepho vig-killed.
So in case this is a possibility:

Vig-vote Stepho

If not, I''ll let you know who of Setael and Devestation I prefer, though I''m leaning Deves.

[Lamont_Cranston]

This isn''t a very important post (Post 1196), but I do want to hear an answer from Lamont.

Why did you put all these VC''s into one post and what did you learn from it?

It was IOA in a desperate attempt to learn something after a terrible no-lynch. I did it in an attempt to possibly learn something and maybe give someone a chance to do the same.

The no-lynch really hurt us.

I found it useless but it IS there for the record.

[Elmo]

Lamont. Would you accept a

vig: Stephoscope, Devestation

? That is, I'm voting Stepho, if Steph isn't killed at the deadline, switch my vote to Deve.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I forgot in which post I found the following quote, but it was re-quoted by Lamont in post 1414:

Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?

@Setael:

Do you see here how you could be falling into a scum trap by thinking this way? On the other hand, if you are correct, how do we explain Ho living an extra day??

So what is the explanation here??

If you think he''s scum, how can he be falling into a scum trap?

This was a scumhunting probe that was testing for a proper response. At the time of this post I was giving Set (who was looking scummy) a chance to respond properly and show herself town while at the same time viciously attacking her logic. The post basically would put her in a catch-22 and the only town move would be to admit that scum could purposely NOT RB Amished and that of course he would have to be Doc because

Ho

Elmo lived an extra day.

There are other alternative answers where she could come up with various other explanations to the two questions as well.

If she was town she would have the right answer. She dodged it for 2-3 days. When she finally answered it looked scummy at first but she eventually pointed out something that made the whole scum-trap theory look stupid and so I unvoted her.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont. Would you accept a

vig: Stephoscope, Devestation

? That is, I'm voting Stepho, if Steph isn't killed at the deadline, switch my vote to Deve.

Sorry can't do that. Of course I don't run the vig votes the town does but I am doubting people would accept it.

[ZazieR]

What''s wrong with a vig-wagon against Stepho?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Link?

Don't hold your breath.

[ZazieR]

Link?

Don't hold your breath.

Then I want him to answer it (again, if it was already responded too).

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

8am GMT June 26(?)

Devastation-9 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo, Naomi, Xtoxm, Tajo, Lamont, Setael, Devastation)

Setael-5 (Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Zwet, Dramonic)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo)
Stepho-2 (Zazier, Elmo)

Not vig-voting scum: _

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Lamont_Cranston]

What''s wrong with a vig-wagon against Stepho?

Nothing. I have posted that vote but the conditional "bot-like" request can't be honored.

[Lamont_Cranston]

If we are vigging to simple majority, Devastation appears to be at V-1.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Zazier:

Can you explain how Stepho is scummier than Devastation?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

8am GMT June 26(?)

Devastation-8 (Stepho, Rock, Naomi, Xtoxm, Tajo, Lamont, Setael, Devastation)

Setael-5 (Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Zwet, Dramonic)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo)
Stepho-2 (Zazier, Elmo)

Not vig-voting scum: _

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Lamont_Cranston]

If we are vigging to simple majority, Devastation appears to be at V-1.

Ok sorry. Disregard this. Voting Tally error...

@Elmo:

Can you please explain in detail why you changed your vig-vote from Devastation to Stepho?