The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[zwetschenwasser]

Hi

(Sorry Tajo... This will likely be your third game in which you are stuck with me >.< I''ll try to behave during my read and analysis)

I LOVE YOU!!!

[ZazieR]

Damn it >.<
Have to stop at page 44, when day 1 almost ends...

I''ve made some notes I want to look at again during day 1, and will post these and hopefully with my analysis of day 2 tomorrow.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

8am GMT June 26(?)

Devastation-8 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo, Naomi, Xtoxm, Tajo, Lamont, Setael)

Setael-6 (Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation, Zwet, Dramonic)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo,)

Not vig-voting scum:

Zazier

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Stephoscope]

steph and everybody else not voting for naomi answer this.

Were you watching when I attacked the hell out of Naomi yesterday? I know exactly what seemed off about her case, but I posts from both her and the mod since then, plus the lack of a counterclaim with Amished available to protect (I believe his claim), makes me pretty sure that Naomi's claim is legit.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I think its genuinely possible that Trilby is a safeclaim and she just didn't know how to make the role fit the flavor. In that case, there would be no CC.

[Devestation]

unvote, vote Devestation

I've already said why I didn't vote yesterday. I said I had no reason. You insisted on one, so I said I couldnt choose or something, I don't remember.

The real answer is that I'm a lazy bastard who couldnt be bothered opening the mafiascum.net link that day because of other games with events moving considerably more rapidly (best comparison is a 50 player themed game playing its entirety in 12 hours), and I apologise for being that way.

My flip as vanilla innocent will not be an excuse to hunt Setael. My question in itself is not an excuse to hunt Setael. The reason why I went after Setael was because of his stereotype aggressive mafia reactions, and you should have probably figured that out.

Unless a similarly drastic chain of events begins between now and the vig deadline, its safe to say goodbye. If I'm still alive in 24 hours I'll post my take on all players in this game.

[Xtoxm]

Bah..

[ZazieR]

Unless a similarly drastic chain of events begins between now and the vig deadline, its safe to say goodbye. If I'm still alive in 24 hours I'll post my take on all players in this game.

Wait. Are you trying to stall?
Why not post them now?

[Xtoxm]

MOD: Amished has been replaced elsewhere, and hasn't posted for a week in this game, so may want to think about that.

[ZazieR]

Now this is a whole different ball of wax. AJ will be replaced 100%. We need a replacement that is willing to re-read and make a responsible decision. I would recommend they start at least from D2 (Pg. 46) and read from there and see what they think, what questions they have etc.

[zwetschenwasser]

Deadline is tomorrow and I'm not changing my vote.

[Nyx]

unvote, vote Devestation

My flip as vanilla innocent will not be an excuse to hunt Setael. My question in itself is not an excuse to hunt Setael. The reason why I went after Setael was because of his stereotype aggressive mafia reactions, and you should have probably figured that out.

You claim vanilla innocent just like siro. So you'll get the same question from me. Do you deserve to be here ?

[ZazieR]

YES I''m done reading.
I''ve made some notes of events/players I want to look at again and some important posts. So I''ll be looking at those soon and post them here with reasons why I wanted to point them out.

[ZazieR]

Ok, starting with posts that caught my attention.
The first one is post 557 (Devestation):

Okay Lamont, firstly the "battle of items" is something I quoted from YOU (post 529 which was in turn quoted from xtoxm), so don't try and pin that term on me.

Secondly: I did not say it WAS happening, I said "this might happen". Right now it CAN'T happen as there are not enough items present to HAVE a "battle", but if items start showing up at a faster rate I would expect to see something interesting show up.

To be honest, I don't want to even get one of those items in the first place.

Bolded is what bugs me. The given items can either help or destroy. If you''re town, you want to have an item in case it helps as catching scum comes before surviving. Also, you know your allignment. If you have an item, you know that it''s town who is controlling it. If you''re scum, you can try to get an item in case it helps town, but it could cost you your life. Which is something scum don''t want.

This is why I find it scummy that Devestation doesn''t want to have an item.

[ZazieR]

Next would be post 620 (NuevaVida):

DeCanter vote Lamont Cranston

I just used random.org and well i got you. I prefer random for thingsss which I have no idea what they couuld do

Very scummy. The choice should have been based upon the thought if you think it would be good for town to use or bad. This gives me the impression that he doesn''t care. Normally anti-town. But as it wasn''t shown how he did it ''randomly'', he could have chosen himself. This seems very likely to be the case as Lamont already had votes to drink the red fluid (now known as Cho''s blood).

[Pyromaniac]

Power roles might not want to have an item. However, dev claimed vanilla.

[ZazieR]

Next would be a post from Setael (Post 931)

In it, she votes Devestation, while she also wouldn''t mind to vote Stepho. The next post shows a VC:

Vote Count

Lamont_Cranston - 6 (Sajin, hohum, Amished, Pablo Molinero, Devestation, Stephoscope)
Naomi_Saotome - 4 (Xtoxm, populartajo, Sironigous, Pyromaniac)
Pablo Molinero - 2 (Lamont_Cranston, Naomi_Saotome)
Stephoscope - 1 (The Replacement)
Devestation - 1 (Setael)

So I''d like to know from her why she didn''t switch to Stepho after this VC as he already had one vote from somebody else.

[ZazieR]

Then we come at Amished''s claim (Post 1062)

I''d like to know what he had written/asked to the mod as he mentioned PM''s.
Also, I don''t like this:

Due to pm's between the mod and I, I have no reason to believe I'm anything other than performing like a normal doctor. I've already asked if protecting hohum on N3 will save him, and KoC stated that he couldn't reveal that information.

I PM'd KoC and dayvigs or items with killing properties if picked up by somebody I protected will no longer kill. Other effects (probably *like* Lamont's posting restriction) will still take place, but dayvigs or items that kill won't work.

I find it odd that the mod couldn''t tell what would happen to Hohum, but that he could tell what would happen if a target would be hit by an item, while both fall under the same category.
Therefore, I doubt that there has been any communications between the mod and Amished of this kind.

[ZazieR]

The following post (Post 1097) makes me doubt his claim even more.

In this post, Amished ''answer'' Pyro''s question about what his flavour is. However, he doesn''t say what his so-called flavour is in his role. He tells something about Jonathan in the games.

Questions about this post:
Why did you add ''the Gatekeeper''?
Could you rephrase the part aimed at Hohum?
And what do you have as flavour in your role?

[ZazieR]

This isn''t a very important post (Post 1196), but I do want to hear an answer from Lamont.

Why did you put all these VC''s into one post and what did you learn from it?

[ZazieR]

Following up are posts 1229 and 1231.

Why did you not vote him?

(Note: he''s one of the players who I''ll discuss later. Is nobody interested into vigging him?)

[ZazieR]

Continuing with post 1257:

No I did not investigate, although I was tempted to... I decided to wait till tonight because I want the town's input on my choice...

...are you serious?

You were basically one of the top D1 lynch candidates yet you give up the major chance to help the town in even a little way.

sick.

Vote: Naomi

Very scummy vote. He''s voting her for not using her claimed ability. So either he thinks she''s telling the truth, but for one reason votes her. Or he thinks she''s scum. I get the impression it''s the first due to post 1274.

[ZazieR]

Regarding Post 1368, Sir, what do you mean with:

Minor suspicions -
anyone rushing Naomi lynch after she claimed.

especially...
Lamont and Zwet, but Zwet more than Lamont.

[ZazieR]

I forgot in which post I found the following quote, but it was re-quoted by Lamont in post 1414:

Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?

@Setael:

Do you see here how you could be falling into a scum trap by thinking this way? On the other hand, if you are correct, how do we explain Ho living an extra day??

So what is the explanation here??

If you think he''s scum, how can he be falling into a scum trap?

[ZazieR]

Then came Post 1420

unvote, vote Zwet

(well, come on, he's just useless and you know the scum ain't gonna NK him)

First he used both his vote and vig-vote against somebody he thought was scum. Now, he wants to use his vig-vote against a player he doesn''t think is scum.
Pablo, what''s your opinion of Devestation?