The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

ZazieR · Post Post #1750 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:56 am

Devestation wrote:I think if the vig votes remain unchanged as they are, Setael will be vigged regardless of how ZazieR votes.

Have fun reading all our garbage >_>

Which is why I was hoping for an extension of the vig deadline >.<
I''m not even at the part where Setael enters.

Lamont_Cranston · Post Post #1751 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:26 am

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

8am GMT June 26(?)

Setael-7 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation, Zwet, Dramonic)

Devastation-5 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo, Naomi, Xtoxm)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo,)
Lamont-1 (Setael)
Pablo-1 (Tajo)

Not vig-voting scum:

Zazier

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

Lamont_Cranston · Post Post #1752 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:26 am

Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Lamont_Cranston wrote:Her point was very clear in that she was saying there has to be no Mafia RB otherwise Amished would be dead today.

I just need verification that her point is valid that if the Mafi had a RB they could of RB'ed and killed Amished last night...

ZazieR · Post Post #1753 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:32 am

Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Vig Vote Tally

Deadline
:
8am GMT June 26(?)

Setael-7 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation, Zwet, Dramonic)

Devastation-5 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo, Naomi, Xtoxm)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo,)
Lamont-1 (Setael)
Pablo-1 (Tajo)

Not vig-voting scum:
Zazier

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

''Haastige spoed is zelden goed'' >.<
(Haste makes waste)

Xtoxm · Post Post #1754 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:33 am

Well not really. Even if Setael doesn't show up we can assume she defaults to Dev for self preservation.

Zazie, Tajo, Palbo, Nyx: Just read their isolations and choose the one that looks less town to you.

Hey Zazie.

populartajo · Post Post #1755 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:36 am

Setael is not an option for me.

Vig vote : Devastation.

ZazieR · Post Post #1756 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:37 am

Hey Tox

Good to see you again. Hopefully you''re not mad that I''ve killed you twice now (NG 686 and Mafia 87)

I''m already reading (page 21) so I hope I can state my opinions soon.

populartajo · Post Post #1757 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:43 am

zwetschenwasser wrote:tajo, go ahead and show the qt, because my antics were intentionally meant to get me lynched, and you even proposed the idea of me being insanely scummy early on in the game.

/facepalm

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/NQPvq7JWX4fi

We NEVER planned that you would be lynched D1. I never told you to be insanely scummy EARLY. You made a pressured scum stupid mistake, rolf caught you, got some support and in THAT moment we planned you being scummy to bring chaos. Not before.

My basic premise is that you are very easy to catch if you are scum. A relaxed zwet is a very likely zwetown.

populartajo · Post Post #1758 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:44 am

ZazieR wrote:Hi

(Sorry Tajo... This will likely be your third game in which you are stuck with me >.< I''ll try to behave during my read and analysis)

Hi Zazie.

Its always nice to see you around and comment.

If you are town obv obv.

<3

Lamont_Cranston · Post Post #1759 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:51 am

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

8am GMT June 26(?)

Setael-7 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation, Zwet, Dramonic)

Devastation-6 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo, Naomi, Xtoxm, Tajo)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo,)
Lamont-1 (Setael)

Not vig-voting scum:

Zazier

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

Lamont_Cranston · Post Post #1760 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:52 am

Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Lamont_Cranston wrote:Her point was very clear in that she was saying there has to be no Mafia RB otherwise Amished would be dead today.

I just need verification that her point is valid that if the Mafi had a RB they could of RB'ed and killed Amished last night...

ZazieR · Post Post #1761 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:00 am

populartajo wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Hi

(Sorry Tajo... This will likely be your third game in which you are stuck with me >.< I''ll try to behave during my read and analysis)
Hi Zazie.

Its always nice to see you around and comment.

If you are town obv obv.

<3

That''s quite a surprise

But a pleasant surprise though <3

ZazieR · Post Post #1762 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:01 am

Question

Do we know who will trigger the gun? As in, are we allowed to say who will shoot, or is it already decided?

populartajo · Post Post #1763 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:01 am

Everybody voting Setael, did you read my analysis of him? What do you think of it? Do you still think he deserves to die?

populartajo · Post Post #1764 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:05 am

Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Lamont_Cranston wrote:Her point was very clear in that she was saying there has to be no Mafia RB otherwise Amished would be dead today.

I just need verification that her point is valid that if the Mafi had a RB they could of RB'ed and killed Amished last night...

I just understood that if Amished is indeed a selfprotecting doc, the Mafia for balance reasons are likely to have a roleblocker.

The deciding factor is that we dont know why scum killed who. If Amished is doc, I dont think its extremely obligatory for scum to kill him. So there is no a valid reason to suspect Amished because he is alive today.

I think that is what you were wondering?

Lamont_Cranston · Post Post #1765 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:19 am

populartajo wrote: If Amished is doc, I dont think its extremely obligatory for scum to kill him.

Please explain this.

My question goes only to game mechanics. Is it at least reasonable to assume that Mafia can both RB & kill Amished?

ZazieR · Post Post #1766 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:21 am

Lamont_Cranston wrote:
populartajo wrote: If Amished is doc, I dont think its extremely obligatory for scum to kill him.
Please explain this.

My question goes only to game mechanics. Is it at least reasonable to assume that Mafia can both RB & kill Amished?

If scum have a roleblocker, it''s allowed to roleblock and kill the same player on one night, if that''s what you are asking.

Sironigous · Post Post #1767 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:24 am

Nyx wrote:You claimed innocent vanilla so just wondering.

Well, essentially the only thing you can get from me is my vote and what I say, no special powers attached!

On the real Trilby vs. this Trilby I'm just going to assume the mod put in/removed powers for balance.
I have no experience with Chzo. >.<

On Lamont's townie points from holding the shell..

Well... That would just be something like a deathtrap and kept it for yourself... That is if you didn't hit scum. Probably...
I agree with Xtox on that.

Elmo wrote:Why has Stepho dropped off everyone's radar after getting wagoned nicely D1?

...Hey that's what I said.

Stepho wrote:Let's answer that later. For now, let's discuss why in the world you want to make a decision about lynching when we don't even know what the vig will reveal.

Tajo wrote:His Siro hate is meh. Dont like it.

I've gotten used to it. ^_^

And yeah, it is normal Zwet.

Zwet wrote: He says that he has a gut town read on me because of my behavior in LAL mafia, when in fact my extreme "paranoid and stressed vibe" in that game was fabricated as a ploy to make tajo look town by bussing me, which was discussed and agreed upon in the quicktopic. Therefore, tajo is lying about me (especially since he has much more meta of me than just in LAL) for who knows what reason to make me look more town than I already am.

... I'm not going to vote over meta because I don't know anyone's...

Heya ZazieR!

So, overall....

I think I'm still for the Setael Vig kill.

Honestly, I don't understand the Dev wagon. Could someone point that out to me? >.>

populartajo · Post Post #1768 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:27 am

Lamont_Cranston wrote:
populartajo wrote: If Amished is doc, I dont think its extremely obligatory for scum to kill him.
Please explain this.

My question goes only to game mechanics. Is it at least reasonable to assume that Mafia can both RB & kill Amished?

Yes, its a reasonable thing to do. But as I said, for whatever reasons that include principally wifom, scum dont have obligatorily to kill him.

Basically, an attack against Amished because he is alive today is not valid.

populartajo · Post Post #1769 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:29 am

ZazieR wrote:
Lamont_Cranston wrote:
populartajo wrote: If Amished is doc, I dont think its extremely obligatory for scum to kill him.
Please explain this.

My question goes only to game mechanics. Is it at least reasonable to assume that Mafia can both RB & kill Amished?
If scum have a roleblocker, it''s allowed to roleblock and kill the same player on one night, if that''s what you are asking.

Oh, game mechanincs. I think ^ is the answer you are looking for.

Lamont_Cranston · Post Post #1770 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:38 am

ZazieR wrote:
Lamont_Cranston wrote:
populartajo wrote: If Amished is doc, I dont think its extremely obligatory for scum to kill him.
Please explain this.

My question goes only to game mechanics. Is it at least reasonable to assume that Mafia can both RB & kill Amished?
If scum have a roleblocker, it''s allowed to roleblock and kill the same player on one night, if that''s what you are asking.

Ok then I really don't see scum trying to get a town PR lynched here. I really don't like how Setael defended so poorly initially. It could be that we accidently caught her as scum trying to be town.

But anyway...

Unvote, Vote Devastation

Lamont_Cranston · Post Post #1771 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:39 am

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

8am GMT June 26(?)

Devastation-7 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo, Naomi, Xtoxm, Tajo, Lamont)

Setael-6 (Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation, Zwet, Dramonic)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo,)
Lamont-1 (Setael)

Not vig-voting scum:

Zazier

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

Elmo · Post Post #1772 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:12 am

Devastation.

Start talking.

Pyromaniac · Post Post #1773 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:33 am

1. Nyx - Historical Advisor Seems somewhat pro town. Hasn't done anything anti town. 7/10
2. Pyromaniac - Thief 10/10
3.

Shadow Knight

dramonic - TV anchorman Seems reasonable. Hasn't posted enough to make up for SK's active lurking. 6/10
4. populartajo - Best Boy Lurker, getting better. 6/10
5. Lamont_Cranston - Make-up Artiste Pro town 10/10
6. Sironigous - Bodyguard to TV Anchor 4/10
7.

Queen Elizabeth II

Stephoscope - Thief ???
8. Devestation - Cameraman 3/10
9.

UnofficialRulerofEveryone

zwetschenwasser - Sound Engineer Seems like town zwet to me. 8/10
10.

hohum

Elmo - Thief 10/10
11.

NuevaVida

Rockatansky - Groundskeeper LURKER ALERT 4/10
12. Amished - Wardrobe Manager 8/10
13.

Malkon

Setael - Schoolboy 2/10
14.

Alabaska J

ZazieR - Gaffer Liked AJ. Zazie hasn't posted anything meaningful. 7/10
15. Xtoxm - Policeman 9/10

16.

Kratos

The Replacement - Schoolboy (Innocent, killed N1.

17. Pablo Molinero - Policeman ehhhh 5/10
18. Naomi_Saotome - Make-up Artiste -5000/10

19. Sajin - Historical Advisor's Research Assistant (Innocent, killed N1

Setael · Post Post #1774 (ISO) » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:34 am

Lamont's play the last few pages has changed my mind. I still don't think he should be considered obv town for giving the vig to town (as scum in that situation might do the exact same thing). However, I think if he was scum he'd have pushed my vig wagon through. He could easily have ignored my attempts to explain my reasoning as so many others were but didn't. I also appreciated popular's iso of me. Same goes for him - can't see a scum motivation to derail my wagon.

unvote

I can support a devestation vig. I agree with popular's post about him. His neglect to vote yesterday after saying he would choose between the 2 is reason in itself.

vigvote: devestation

@steph: why the decrease in activity? Elmo's right - we've been ignoring you today because you're not here. I still think you & might be scum buddies and I'm not surprised he wouldn't vote you.