Wow, a lot has happened while I was gone.
pikapizza wrote:t appears that she has vanished ??? where did she go? she needs to make a proper response that isn't full of nothing.
I stated clearly I was going on a trip. You shouldn't have missed that.
wickedswami wrote:If I remember correctly (i'll look for it tomorrow) weeping explained to us how she had played mafia wars through mail before, so that's probably what she meant with "that way". I really see no reason why you would attack her on that.
GreenDude wrote:Oh, about post 203, I meant about weeping saying about the way she played the game. This has been verified, she played by mail before, and now it's different because she is playing on the internet.
What? I never said that, and I've never played by mail. I've played before with a group of people all in a room together. This is my first time playing on a forum, but I have read a few games.
nureins wrote:What do you exactly consider "overall pro-town" in him?
Mostly his playing style, he is much too open and makes many controversial statements. That makes a really bad mafia.
nureins wrote:Weeping, please tell me which of your contributions during the game can generate enough discussion/information about you. Otherwise, lot of players judge you as "too early to tell" even you have played since the beginning.
I really don't know what to say... aren't all of you supposed to ask more specific questions? If "a lot of players" ask me specific questions, I can answer.
nureins wrote:"just analyzing" means? This game is about analyzing.
With respect to my suspicions, I think I have been very clear about my purposes and times. I have clearly stated my suspicions when the time has come. And my opinions with respect to other people's cases show openly my position on several players. Do you have any doubt about my suspicions? Please expose it, so I can clarify my position.
I am just saying that most of your posts are asking questions, usually about other players' opinions, rather than making statements. It makes it hard to tell what you're thinking.
nureins wrote:He has contributed a lot. He is the protagonist of the wagon on Belili, and you can analyze him very clearly his positions.
I'm sorry, I hadn't finished re-reading when I wrote that. Before that, he had been very quiet.
nureins wrote:Do you find him suspicious because of the defensive attitude? Might you tell us which posts/words called especially your attention?
Yes, he's slightly over defensive, which I suspicious.
nureins wrote:And your guess is?
Probably a very jumpy townie, though I'm not sure.
nureins wrote:Please tell us 2 or 3 OWN ideas on this game. You can send telegraphic answers to my questions if you dont want to lose your time.
I'll get to this later.
GreenDude wrote:Again how can posting a lot have anything to do with someone’s role. And what conclusions CAN be drawn from it?? Notice that silverfang and weepingwind had the SAME ideas about how my posting a lot could point out what role I have.
Mafia need to be careful what they say. It is not unusual for two people to agree on something, even a mafia and townie could agree on something.
GreenDude wrote:Never played mafia before how?? Is it possible that weepingwind is playing as scum and she hasn’t played as scum before?
Never played on a forum. And just as a coincidence, I actually have never played scum.
GreenDude wrote:Does weepingwind have no strong opinions because she is scum and needs to find some kind of case against someone?
I am not looking for a case, I am looking for scum.
GreenDude wrote:Is weepingwind using that strategy?? Silverfang did have his vote on me, and weepingwind did NOT.
IF I were scum, I wouldn't use a strategy I had explained.
GreenDude wrote:Is weepingwind asking me if I am suspicious of silverfang??
SilverFang, Mevorra, and Belili. The three who had their votes on you at the time. Who were/are you suspicious of?
GreenDude wrote:Is that something else possibly my role? Is weepingwind asking if they know my role and she wants to know because she is scum/roleblocker and wants to kill/roleblock a power role??
I asked if they had decided you were a townie, or had another reason for unvoting, not your role.
GreenDude wrote:Is it possible that weepingwind wants to separate herself from silverfang, saying that she was suspicious of him so therefore they can’t be scum buddies, Oh! But look, not she says that she is NOT suspicious of him anymore.
Wouldn't I have voted for him then? That would make the most sense. And I didn't say I wasn't suspicious anymore, I said I wasn't able to confirm my suspicions.
GreenDude wrote:That is that same as lying low.
Pretty much, yes. But I am actually trying to figure out who is scum, while the scum are trying to figure out how to blend in.
GreenDude wrote:Above all: both weepingwind and silverfang has been very ‘inactive’ and now weepingwind isn’t here, and silverfang has been replaced.
Because I was gone shortly after SilverFang had to quit doesn't make us scumbuddies.
GreenDude wrote:So therefore: Nureins, Edmund, Pizza , Belili, Me, or wickedswami(my thought). Then that leaves 2 people: Weepingwind and Silverfang (who has been replaced by James).
What makes Belili right? And actually that leaves James.Denholm, Mevorra and myself.
nureins wrote:1. She has not taken any clear position up to now. She is an ACTIVE LURKER, as she has posted 12 times without scumhunting at all.
No excuse. I really haven't been posting much.
nureins wrote:2. She shows no interest about the "debates" she claims to promote. In post 1, she mentions the activity of GD cautiously. In post 2, immediately after being questioned, she simply mentions her intention to launch a discussion. She expresses no position. Later, in post 3, she continuous with a fence-sitting on GD. No opinions, as in post 4. She never expressed why she was interested in discussing the talkative attitude of GD, or never shown her position about it before she was very questioned later on.
I was just a little bewildered at being attacked for what I thought was a simple comment. I was a little reluctant to say anything else at the time.
nureins wrote:After being required to, she showed some scummy vibes about Silver and Mevorra. However, she again did not materialize or discuss them until she was required to do it, more later.
I didn't want to discuss them much because I was, and still am, not very sure.
nureins wrote:3. Her largest contribution to the game, without being asked to do it, is post 5, where she discusses the scumpair elaborated theory of Belili. Notice how she is yet analyzing, has not taken any position, but likes
to discuss a very complicated post not on scum, but on pairs of scum and voting patterns, while we are yet in page 4.
I'm not sure why this is bad, I like to base part of my judgments on voting patterns and alliances.
nureins wrote:4. I find especially interesting how much she have thought about the fact that mafia would bandwagon or not GD. This is especially important, as she has not shown ANY clue on the rest of the game. In post 7, she again talks about that issue.
This is the kind of thing I am constantly thinking about. Is that strange?
nureins wrote:5. Also, in post 5, she shows her first "vibe suspicion" from silver and mevorra. No justification whatsoever provided. In my first view of this vibe suspicion, I thought her vibes showed that she thought the wagonners of GD scummy. In my opinion, that was somehow contradicting the fact that she discussed so much why mafia might not bandwagon.
Because they were on GreenDude's bandwagon didn't have much, if anything, to do with my suspicions.
nureins wrote:In post 10, she denies that, and she says:
"I was suspicious of SilverFang and Mevorra before they had voted for GreenDude"
That simply cannot be true. Silver voted GD in his first post. Mevorra voted GD in his 5th post. She expressed no opinions about them before they voted GD. Indeed, after their votes to GD, she said:
"I have no strong opinions on players as of yet, but I am analyzing."
So it seems clear to me that if she had suspicions on these players, they came AFTER they voted to GD.
I meant I was beginning to be suspicious while we were still in the random voting stage. I didn't have strong opinions, they were weak.
nureins wrote:a) It is obvious for Silver.
b) I think is obvious for Mevorra, because she says herself
"Mevorra came off as a little scummy, especially with Belili imitating him, and has yet to completely clear himself"
That imitation did not happen before the GD vote. Indeed, it started to be something relevant when Belili voted GD (after Mevorra), and more especially, when Belili unvoted GD (much later).
Thus, I think she contradicts. She did first softly, suggesting her vibes are on Silver and Mevorra, while discussing so much why mafia would NOT bandwagon (oppose to silver and mevorra). She does STRONGLY NOW, when to defend, she claims that she had suspicions on Silver and Mevorra before the wagon. Obviously, that cannot be true, and her own words show.
I meant I grew more suspicious of Mevorra after Belili copied him, but I was already suspicious. I didn't discuss bandwagoning a lot, I only mentioned it in two posts.
nureins wrote:6. In that post 10, she claims happily to be newbie. I find this curious. Notice how she discusses strategy in post 6, arguing
"This strategy is very much used, and works well. " showing knowledge and skills of the game.
Does reading a few games make me not a newbie?
nureins wrote:7. She is constantly appealing to excuses about her play.
"I followed the advice of you, our IC, and now am continually being attacked for it."
She also shows an extreme defensive attitude, because she was not yet very pushed.
When GD attacks her, she "accepts", finds her attitude incorrect and appeals to time restrictions. Notice that this is not a valid excuse. She has written 12 posts. The point is that she is not expressing any opinion.
I know I haven't been posting a lot, so I accepted GreenDude's accusation of such. I am sorry you find my "excuse" inadequate, it is the truth. I acknowledge I haven't expressed much of an opinion, but right now I am very torn.
nureins wrote:8. In her last post, when pushed, she makes a summary of players. Basically, she expresses no clear position on anyone. Also, notice that there are at least 4 players (silver, pika, edmund and myself) that she considers have not "shared" their suspicions. 3 of them at least (the latter) have been among the most important contributors during the time they played. Also, she is considering scummy what she is herself doing all along the game. She wants to "hear more" these players, while she has moved along the game without any participation.
Please forgive my inadequate re-read. I had not completed it yet at the time. I realize it is the pot calling the kettle black, but I know my allegiance and not that of any of the other players.
nureins wrote:Given my own position on Weeping, described above, I find her highly scummy. Right now, Id be happy adding extra pressure to any of the two players (Mevorra or Weeping).
Wishingtovotebutnothavingavoteforher: weeping
I hope this pressure you have decided to put on me will produce some of these opinions which you so desire.
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, but other than that it was done in a very weak fashion. I still think this could be a townie's defense mechanism as well.