The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Devestation]

How O_o

I remember posting something several pages back that stated that one being scum does not clear the other, and that one being innocent does not automatically cause the other to be scum.

[zwetschenwasser]

Why is Naomi still alive? He hasn't provided even a fragment of good defense against the accusations on him.

[Pyromaniac]

Because if we lynch her first then me lose or vig.

[Pyromaniac]

are*

[zwetschenwasser]

Huh?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Amished has said he protected her which he has also said prevents her from being vigged.

He said he would rage quit over the Mod lying to him if this was not so and since

Ho

Elmo now lives an extra day I guess we have to believe him.

[Naomi_Saotome]

Lamont, I don't understand why you're tying to out-guess the mod... it seems extremely wasteful, since we have no way of knowing what he was thinking when he did anything while setting up this game...

And more over, I think that pushing for me to change my claim is a waste of time and another distraction. Whether or not my 1-shot claim was legit, changing it to say I really am a 5-shot doesn't mean anything... it just means that I changed my story. A waste of time, and a major distraction...

I have my eye on you Lamont... Are you controlling the game and distracting it at the same time...???

FoS Lamont

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont, I don't understand why you're tying to out-guess the mod... it seems extremely wasteful, since we have no way of knowing what he was thinking when he did anything while setting up this game...

It has nothing to do with the way you seemed to fabricate your claim in real-time/in-thread, you can be sure.

And more over, I think that pushing for me to change my claim is a waste of time and another distraction. Whether or not my 1-shot claim was legit, changing it to say I really am a 5-shot doesn't mean anything... it just means that I changed my story. A waste of time, and a major distraction...

I was being totally serious.

I have my eye on you Lamont... Are you controlling the game and distracting it at the same time...???

Yes, and I'm about to claim

odd-day tracker, even-day watcher, day-lynch/night kill bomb

[/sarcasm]

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw,

Setael

has been officially lurking in this game for the last 3 days (she has posted on each of the 3 days elsewhere). I find this deplorable and it reminds me of scum.

[Xtoxm]

Well, she did seem pretty annoyed at this game. When the players in a game annoy me, for whatever reason, I tend to lurk. Seteal being vigged is starting to look like a forgone conclusion; i'm not convinced though. I realise i'm starting to say this about almost everyone who i've suspected. Need some more scum reads in this game..

[Setael]

Lamont's post 1517 reads VERY much like he knows I'm town. And yet his vig vote is on me. And why, exactly? Hiding behind poor reasons made by others that never held water in the first place. The only reason he escaped a lynch yesterday was lying to the town. I think he's scum.

unvote, vote: Lamont

vig vote: Lamont

if I'm vigged today, please take a closer look at Lamont. Just because he got a day vig item does not make him town.

[Xtoxm]

I looked and no I don't think so. I tend to say things like that a lot. Lamont has looked very town to me today, and his gambit is pro-town to me. And his post count is massive.

[Xtoxm]

1. Nyx - ???
2. Pyromaniac - Town
3. Shadow Knightdramonic - ???
4. populartajo - ???
5. Lamont_Cranston - Town
6. Sironigous - Town
7. Queen Elizabeth IIStephoscope - Lean Town
8. Devestation - Lean Town
9. UnofficialRulerofEveryonezwetschenwasser - ???
10. hohumElmo - Town
11. NuevaVidaRockatansky - Lean Town
12. Amished - Town
13. MalkonSetael - ???
14. Alabaska J - Lean Town
15. Xtoxm - Town
16. KratosThe Replacement - Schoolboy (Innocent, killed N1.
17. Pablo Molinero - ???
18. Naomi_Saotome - ???
19. Sajin - Historical Advisor's Research Assistant (Innocent, killed N1

That leaves me 7 suspects...Well 6 for all intents and purposes...

Vig Zwet

I usually find him obvtown.

Seteal looks genuine here.

[Lamont_Cranston]

The only reason he escaped a lynch yesterday was lying

to

for the town. Please take a closer look at Lamont because he got a day vig item and gave it to the town;

does not

this makes him prob-town.

/fixed

[Lamont_Cranston]

Post 1517 for your viewing pleasure:

Btw, if Setael is pulling a

"rofl this town sucks, I give up"

its her fault for getting vigged.

Welcome back Set, thanks for lurking.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

VERY, VERY, SOON (vote now!)

Setael-5 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation)

Devastation-3 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo)
Zwet-3 (Nyx, Pablo, Xtoxm)
Sironi-2 (Zwet, Naomi)
Lamont-1 (Setael)
Pablo-1 (Tajo)

Not vig-voting scum:

AJ, Dramonic

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Devestation]

Can we vig already...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unfortuantely we have

two

replacements we are waiting for.

On a side note Devastation, you have dodged Stepho's attack...

[Pyromaniac]

I think we should set a date for viging. Screw anyone who hasn't voted by then. Even if AJ or tajo hasn't been replaced.

[Lamont_Cranston]

We have three extra days now, what's the rush?

[Setael]

@Lamont: yeah, you're "giving" the vig kill to the town. And.... assuming you're scum, what would you do with it? Kill someone in broad daylight without conferring with anyone? And the negative attention you'd get after killing a townie... scum would seek that?

You are seeking town points for doing something you would do whether you were town or scum. You are not "probably" town for trying to win town points by seeking votes on who should be vigged. It actually feels like you've been steering the vig vote, especially with your baseless vote on me. I have no doubt but that you, if indeed you are scum, could easily keep from vigging a scum buddy.

Yes, I avoided this game. I did my best to explain why my assumption that there's no scum roleblocker makes PERFECT sense (and was actually amished's point) and regardless the vig votes stayed on me. Whether those who want me vigged are scum or dense town, I was annoyed that those who ARE town aligned (unlikely they're ALL scum) were ignoring what seems to me so clear cut and obvious.

I think Lamont is scum with either Pablo or sironi but not both, and I'd bet the rest of their scum team is avoiding me entirely.

[Lamont_Cranston]

You are seeking town points for doing something you would do whether you were town or scum.

I have townie points because of the fact that I 1) Protected the shell by avoiding a certain NK & 2) Gave the vig to the town when I didn't have to. Doing those two things doesn't necessarily make me town, but townie points nonetheless.

Yes, I avoided this game. I did my best to explain why my assumption that there's no scum roleblocker makes PERFECT sense (and was actually amished's point).

I asked you twice for an explanation and so far have received nothing.

Your explanation here has not addressed my specific concerns. I responded to your pointed question as well and have received no response.

Instead you accuse me of being scum for voting you. For an experienced player, this is a very weak defense.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Here are your attacks on Amished. You start slow and ramp it up.

Amished, I have a question for you, too. When you first claimed, why didn't you mention that your role enables you to avoid being blocked by town power roles? the way you tacked it on after really made it sound like you made it up...

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Something is wrong with your claim. If the protection lasts until the start of the next night, how does it not apply to lynches, which happen BEFORE the next night starts.

Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?

I'm not saying start a wagon on Amished. I'm just saying his claim is fishy and I'm not considering him confirmed town by any means.

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The claimed powerrole being spoken of there is Amished's. Does it really make sense that a protown multiprotect doc would not be roleblocked by scum if they had the ability? Either Amished successfully protected naomi (and therefore wasn't blocked) or he's not the reason Naomi was granted an extra day.

Either the scum have no roleblocker or Amished is not really a doc. It's as simple as that. My argument was/is that a doc this overpowered + no scum roleblocker = imbalanced game.

You ignored my pointed question about this which is why I decided to vig-vote you. Could you please address the question below?

Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?

@Setael:

Do you see here how you could be falling into a scum trap by thinking this way? On the other hand, if you are correct, how do we explain Ho living an extra day??

So what is the explanation here??

Thank you.

[Lamont_Cranston]

However, I would like to understand more what Amished's role is and where the Mod got it and the details of it. I would like this iinofrmation before we vig. Can anyone help me here?

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm not saying start a wagon on Amished. I'm just saying his claim is fishy and I'm not considering him confirmed town by any means.

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The claimed powerrole being spoken of there is Amished's. Does it really make sense that a protown multiprotect doc would not be roleblocked by scum if they had the ability? Either Amished successfully protected naomi (and therefore wasn't blocked) or he's not the reason Naomi was granted an extra day.

Either the scum have no roleblocker or Amished is not really a doc. It's as simple as that.

My argument was/is that a doc this overpowered + no scum roleblocker = imbalanced game.

I

really

don't like this "I'm not really attacking the town Doc" here while attacking the town Doc.