Mini 803 - Pale Moon Risin' (Over!)

LlamaFluff · Post Post #775 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:20 pm

zilla should claim her target before we lynch or no lynch.

Zilla · Post Post #776 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:27 pm

Llama: why?

camn · Post Post #777 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:42 pm

charter... Why the sudden hammer??

charter · Post Post #778 (ISO) » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:44 pm

I wasn't going to let the town hammer me when I knew I was town.

LlamaFluff · Post Post #779 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:15 am

Zilla wrote:Llama: why?

I mean were you roleblocked or not.

Zilla · Post Post #780 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:16 pm

I continue: why?

LlamaFluff · Post Post #781 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:27 pm

Zilla wrote:I continue: why?

You dont see the benifit of sharing if you were blocked? I know you can figure out where im coming from here.

Incognito · Post Post #782 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:59 pm

Errr... I'm not sure I'm following why LF is questioning only Zilla about being roleblocked.

LF, you already claimed a PR and Kmd softclaimed a PR too. Why haven't you directed this same line of questioning towards Kmd?

LlamaFluff · Post Post #783 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:01 pm

Incognito wrote:Errr... I'm not sure I'm following why LF is questioning only Zilla about being roleblocked.

Dead day vig, alive doc... seemed fairly obvious to me.

Kmd4390 · Post Post #784 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:03 pm

Llama, I honestly don't get it. I have an idea where you may be going, but not completely sure.

Zilla, if you

were

blocked, you should claim it. That goes for anyone who may have been blocked.

Incognito · Post Post #785 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:05 pm

What does it achieve though? Are you basically trying to determine if Kmd was lying or not or are you doubting Zilla's claim?

LlamaFluff · Post Post #786 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:05 pm

Lets not quick no lynch here. I need the blocked/not from zilla first though

camn · Post Post #787 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:39 pm

Um.. I am totally with Llama on this.

Zilla, did you get blocked?
No need to speak as to your target.. though I don't see the harm in it.

Zilla · Post Post #788 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:02 pm

FOS: Llama, KMD, Camn

I was blocked. Why the intense interest? I didn't even schedule my power for use.

Vote: KMD

Seems to me he knew about roleblocking providing flavor and he claimed yesterday to set this whole thing up, now Llama comes in and asks if I'm being blocked to complete the setup that "clears" KMD.

Zilla · Post Post #789 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:03 pm

I'd love to vote Charter, if I could share a vote. Horrible play all game.

LlamaFluff · Post Post #790 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:10 pm

good kmd is town then.

You got blocked meaning that blocking is a scum action, this means that scum blocked kmd night one and kmd is not scum. Charter and Incog however are still scum.

LlamaFluff · Post Post #791 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:13 pm

That is exactly why I wanted to know if you were blocked. If you were, it ment that you actually confirmed kmd as town. Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but at least one of kmd and zilla are town given the very small possibility that this is a really brilliant gambit.

Im just trying to do a quick calc for if we should no lynch or not.

LlamaFluff · Post Post #792 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:24 pm

Zilla wrote:Seems to me he knew about roleblocking providing flavor and he claimed yesterday to set this whole thing up, now Llama comes in and asks if I'm being blocked to complete the setup that "clears" KMD.

So you are arguing that kmd is scum that knew the RB flavor and either didnt use his action, or targeted a player he was killing, or zazie instead of the claimed doctor?

That just seems like a really really big strech in this situation.

Kmd4390 · Post Post #793 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:40 pm

Zilla wrote:
FOS: Llama, KMD, Camn

I was blocked. Why the intense interest? I didn't even schedule my power for use.

Vote: KMD

Because it helps confirm that I was blocked yesterday and gets information out that can't hurt the town in any way. And a claimed doc being blocked means that the scum, not town, blocked me.

Zilla wrote: Seems to me he knew about roleblocking providing flavor and he claimed yesterday to set this whole thing up, now Llama comes in and asks if I'm being blocked to complete the setup that "clears" KMD.

So you think the scum RB PM says the target will recieve flavor and scum didn't block anyone last night?

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Ok, Llama basically already made both these points.

Well, anyway. Llama, why is Incog scum? I think it's either Charter/Camn or Charter/Llama. My gut says it's not Llama/Camn for some reason. Incog looks relatively townie to me.

Zilla · Post Post #794 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:24 pm

And here Llama makes the play I assumed he would.

Zilla · Post Post #795 (ISO) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:32 pm

Screw it, Llama OBVIOUSLY knew I was blocked.

unvote: KMD
Vote: Llamafluff

I still suspect KMD played his role in this with his claim yesterday. I do believe scum didn't block anyone night one, because if they would have, their obvious target would have been me. KMD's claim to being roleblocked and his reluctance to admit anything else but that roleblock is entirely suspect. Llama pushing on me so hard for confirmation that I had been roleblocked looks exactly like this was all just a setup to "clear" KMD, especially since he went STRAIGHT for me, and STRAIGHT to asking if I was roleblocked.

I don't know how he faked the Mykonian thing, but I won't rule out the possibility that his role is "meant" to target scum, but he used it on Mykonian to clear himself. Llama, who did you target last night?

Massclaim would probably be good now too.

Incognito · Post Post #796 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:26 am

Still not liking LF, and I really dislike how he's opened up Day 3. Why so eager to try and "confirm" Kmd as town? Especially after mentioning back in post 707 that you weren't crazy about how he went back and forth on the flavor of what alignment targeted him? Wouldn't you be curious to find out the roleblocking

flavor

that Zilla received as opposed to just determining if she got roleblocked?

I think we definitely need to mass-claim before we do anything else. It's only me, charter, camn, and Kmd who haven't full-claimed yet, so we should probably get that out of the way first before doing anything else. I'll even kick it off: I'm vanilla.

After this, we should probably learn LF's "target" last night, and I wouldn't mind learning Zilla's RB PM flavor (if there even WAS any flavor to begin with) to see if there's any info we can draw from that.

Kmd4390 · Post Post #797 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:36 am

Zilla wrote:Screw it, Llama OBVIOUSLY knew I was blocked.

Meh. Maybe. It's a good assumption to make though. For a second, I was thinking Llama was gonna say he was blocked...

Zilla wrote: I still suspect KMD played his role in this with his claim yesterday. I do believe scum didn't block anyone night one, because if they would have, their obvious target would have been me. KMD's claim to being roleblocked and his reluctance to admit anything else but that roleblock is entirely suspect. Llama pushing on me so hard for confirmation that I had been roleblocked looks exactly like this was all just a setup to "clear" KMD, especially since he went STRAIGHT for me, and STRAIGHT to asking if I was roleblocked.

Well, it wouldn't be very smart for scum to waste a RB N1. I just don't see it. And you claimed one-shot. What one-shot uses their ability on N1? Ok, you had already claimed, so maybe, but still. They may have gambled that you didn't use it.

Just because I was roleblocked doesn't mean I should claim. I want the scum to have to guess if I'm useful or not. I was once roleblocked 2-3 times in a game as a bomb (Robot Chicken). So I have scum wondering if they block me again. Are they blocking someone they don't have to or are they neutralizing the most powerful role in the game? Or somewhere in the middle? As long as I'm unclaimed, they have no clue. But if we are massclaiming, I guess we can forget that now.

And I can agree about Llama going straight at you. It does seem like he knew. Llama is looking more like him self, but it seems like he is his scum self. But if that's the case, Camn looks more townie. Damn.

Incognito wrote:Wouldn't you be curious to find out the roleblocking
flavor
that Zilla received as opposed to just determining if she got roleblocked?

^This. I'd like to hear the flavor.

LlamaFluff · Post Post #798 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:12 am

Incognito wrote:Still not liking LF, and I really dislike how he's opened up Day 3. Why so eager to try and "confirm" Kmd as town? Especially after mentioning back in post 707 that you weren't crazy about how he went back and forth on the flavor of what alignment targeted him? Wouldn't you be curious to find out the roleblocking
flavor
that Zilla received as opposed to just determining if she got roleblocked?

Call me naive, but I would assume that Zilla being blocked with completely different flavor would of already have been claimed. I wasnt crazy about figuring out who the RB came from due to flavor, since I could of seen kmd being blocked regardless of alignment near the end of D1. What I cared about was who was RBed, not the flavor (unless it was completely different).

I think we definitely need to mass-claim before we do anything else. It's only me, charter, camn, and Kmd who haven't full-claimed yet, so we should probably get that out of the way first before doing anything else. I'll even kick it off: I'm vanilla.

I would say charter, kmd, camn to end it, but im open to discussion on that.

After this, we should probably learn LF's "target" last night, and I wouldn't mind learning Zilla's RB PM flavor (if there even WAS any flavor to begin with) to see if there's any info we can draw from that.

I targeted porkens. I figured if he was going to be targeted, scum would either need to be desperate enough to hope that zilla used her protection and roleblock someone else if it was a scum RB, which I didnt see happening too much if the RB existed. If there was no RB, I didnt see Porkens dying without Zilla dying.

So I figured I target Porkens and Zilla gets RBed with him dying which makes kmd very town, or Porkens doesnt die and gets the invention.

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This just makes camn a little townie since she saw what I was doing immediately with calling for zilla being blocked or not. Given how fast she saw that, I would assume camn-scum would of realized that last night, but im not sure she would of been desperate enough to force all scum into three players. Thats WIFOM though, but it still backs up my current reads.

Kmd4390 · Post Post #799 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:15 am

You targeted Porkens? Convenient.