The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Xtoxm]

Tajo's stalling posts layed out for you, seeing as no one can be bothered to check. He's playing pathetically whatever he is, but he shouldn't be allowed to get away with this kind of thing. And I think he's more likely to do this as scum, as scum have incentice to want to lurk.

Im here. Seems I didnt miss much.

Rereading.

Im here.

Im going to be terribly busy today.

Will post tonight or tomorrow

Sorry guys, if my V/LA doesnt get better in the following two days, I'd likely ask for a replacement.

Promisse to post tomorrow. I just got tired rerading another game that needed my presence

Im here catching up all I missed in the weekend.

SOmeone can tell me some important events?

Someone more involved in the game can make me a summary of all that its going on? I dont feel like reading another 30 pages game.

Im here, sorry Im neglecting this game. I did a quick skim but bad news is that I have to go out now. Ill reread tomorrow.

Im sorry about my activity in all my games. V/LA until the 2nd.

im back

i will reread everything i missed and post tomorrow

Im catching up as fast as I can. Ill catch up progressively.

Still catching up but my first reasoning regarding Naomi is that :

I'm trying to keep up with this game, and failing miserably. (Blame Death Note mafia)

I need catching up. As far as I can see you all missed my proposition.

Relax, I will participate more as the game progresses.

Im sick and for that reason V/LA until tomorrow.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well, i'm pretty damn certain there isn't going to be an NK Immune Cop (full) in the game...It's way too powerful.

Lamont, i've already said how you can die in-game doesn't count.

Does Trilby survive at the end of the game, in the

storyline

?

See I don't support the view that the Mod is following how Trilby "must" live because that's how a player would win the game with Trilby. I'm more for the view that just like in the actual game Trilby can be killed.

My main case here is with the flavor:

1) Trilby =/= one-shot cop

2) In-game Trilby =/= UNK

Trilby's character is not

required

to be UNK to provide flavor. I really disagree that the Mod is saying that Trilby has to be UNK (because "Trilby must survive to honor the way a player would win the game as Trilby").

I am much more in favor of the Mod leaving all of that open as the game is actually played. Therefore since Trilby doesn't have a UNK ability in the game I disbelieve he does here too.

[Xtoxm]

Well..That's more mod wifom than anything. I do see what you're saying and it makes sense, but there's no garantee the mod thought that way. So I don't buy point 2).

Point 1) may have some stock, but again...Dependant on how mod interprets 2), and like I said...If mod wanted to make Trilby NK Immune, I can see him impeding Trilby's other power. I don't think this argument holds. That said, the way Naomi claimed it did look bad. BUT if Trilby is as obv-cop as you say, then it's possible she really did believe it would be obvious to us he was a cop, hence the lack of claiming it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Tajo's stalling posts layed out for you, seeing as no one can be bothered to check. He's playing pathetically whatever he is, but he shouldn't be allowed to get away with this kind of thing. And I think he's more likely to do this as scum, as scum have incentice to want to lurk.

I agree and I notice he's joining more games which surprises me. How can a person say he's bored with a game and not catch up or post consistently and yet join more?

I do not understand his actions here. I think we should talk more about him after we vig and he shouldn't be left off the table.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well..That's more mod wifom than anything. I do see what you're saying and it makes sense, but there's no garantee the mod thought that way. So I don't buy point 2).

Point 1) may have some stock, but again...Dependant on how mod interprets 2), and like I said...If mod wanted to make Trilby NK Immune, I can see him impeding Trilby's other power. I don't think this argument holds. That said, the way Naomi claimed it did look bad. BUT if Trilby is as obv-cop as you say, then it's possible she really did believe it would be obvious to us he was a cop, hence the lack of claiming it.

Trilby is not obv-cop but if Trilby is a cop he's not one-shot cop. I mean the game runs 5 actual game days! There are morning scenes each day and Trilby is able to continue his "investigative" role on each day.

Btw points one & two are objective fact about the game itself.

Here is where the position is totally flawed:

If we are to accept that:

A)

Trilby must be UNK because he survives to leave the manor because that's how the game goes

Then we must also accept that

B)

The Mafi are in a similar way compromised so the town will win as well because that's how the game goes

, right?

Do you see how imbalanced that is? How un-gamelike it would make the setup?

Far better is allowing the game to play as it actually does with chances for Trilby to die AND investigate on each of our game days just like in the actual game.

Neither the UNK or the

one-shot

cop make sense here game-wise.

[Xtoxm]

Lamont...Your points make sense. But i'm telling you, from a modding standpoint, it's possible the mod thought that. I have modded in the past, and given someone NK Immunity based on this. (Offsite; I'm not linking.)

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok well both our cases are clearly laid out so we're good.

[Stephoscope]

I really think Devestation is the right choice for the vig...

[populartajo]

Xtoxm and Lammont.

If you wish I cant ask a replacement.

Simple as that.

[populartajo]

Fuck it.

Request replacement.

[populartajo]

And if somebody bothers about the reason then Ill tell you that I dont have the time to reread properly a 60 page game. Its funny how Xtoxm concentrates on me when there are a lot of people not even posting. At least, Ive expressed my thoughts on some things.

Ive said why I was acting like that (see previous posts for lack of motivation and what not). Xtoxm just decided to not give a fuck about it and when I asked who he thought he was scum besides me he gathered a bunch of posts that are null tells and decided that I was scum for not being interested in the game. WTF?

He is way better than that.

[Xtoxm]

If you'd bothered to read all my posts you'd know exactly why I was attacking you and not others.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I really think Devestation is the right choice for the vig...

Did you see my response to your previous post concerning the devastation wagon? Could you please reply to it? Thanks.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Stepho:

I don't see us making a lynch at this time without a major re-alignment, but I am pretty sure that either Stephoscope or Naomi are scum, and within 24 hours I will have made my decision as to which one to vote for.

Ok this is post #987 it appears he is saying that

either

you OR Naomi are scum; in other words if Naomi is scum, you're not and vice-versa.

I think his point is very true here.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Tajo will be replaced. Tajo will not be appearing in any future games of mine for the foreseeable future. Thanks for making my life harder.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Post #1363 for everyone's reading pleaseure:

And I think Lamont has pretty well nailed Naomi to the floor. I won't vote until she posts to defend herself though.

Don't think that I forgot that yesterday you were saying you were going to vote for either me or Naomi...and while I understand Lamont's position, I relentlessly attacked Naomi's claim yesterday.

I think Devestation needs to die based on his shift in thinking. I spent a lot of time yesterday attacking Naomi's claim...and yet I was still on Devestation's list of suspects...now all of a sudden Devestation's giving credit to Lamont for outing Naomi's supposed scumminess, even though in my opinion Lamont hasn't hit Naomi nearly as hard as I was yesterday.

I'm starting to think Naomi's claim really is legitimate, based on posts from both her and the mod today.

I reserve the right to change this, but for now:

Vig vote:

Devestation

[Stephoscope]

My reply is that it was quite an opportunistic statement, and there's no reason to think it's a valid point. It would be pretty easy for scum to sit back and see two townies (I'm not convinced Naomi is town, but it's a possibility) fighting, and then say "well one or the other must be scum", and by the time we've lynched one townie and then the other, the scum may be in trouble, but he and his buddies are almost at the win.

You seem to think I misinterpreted what Devestation posted...I don't believe I did.

[Pyromaniac]

The thing that makes naomi's claim so scummy is the 2 posts in between the claim changing. In one she says that she is only UNKable, in the other she says says something like "A cop ability would be expected...".

[Lamont_Cranston]

My reply is that it was quite an opportunistic statement, and there's no reason to think it's a valid point. It would be pretty easy for scum to sit back and see two townies (I'm not convinced Naomi is town, but it's a possibility) fighting, and then say "well one or the other must be scum", and by the time we've lynched one townie and then the other, the scum may be in trouble, but he and his buddies are almost at the win.

You seem to think I misinterpreted what Devestation posted...I don't believe I did.

Ok well, let me mull this over while I'm at work.

[Lamont_Cranston]

My reply is that it was quite an opportunistic statement, and there's no reason to think it's a valid point. It would be pretty easy for scum to sit back and see two townies (I'm not convinced Naomi is town, but it's a possibility) fighting, and then say "well one or the other must be scum", and by the time we've lynched one townie and then the other, the scum may be in trouble, but he and his buddies are almost at the win.

You seem to think I misinterpreted what Devestation posted...I don't believe I did.

Ok well, let me mull this over while I'm at work.

@Devastation:

Could you please reply to this?

[zwetschenwasser]

Hmm. Also - what effect would it have on a bad guy? Is there anyone here familiar with the flavour? I've only played

5

days a stranger

, and that was a while ago.

Yes and that is the game with the

Manor

. The Mod was very particular to point out that was the manor we are in.

Now since Trilby is the central character and the game is called FIVE days a stranger HOW IN THE WORLD does it make ANY sense for Trilby to be a one-shot cop!??

I mean the game isn't called ONE Day a Stranger!!!

I endorse the above product.

[dramonic]

lol, its going to take me like 2 weeks to finish reading if you post this quick XD

[Lamont_Cranston]

[quote="Lamont_Cranston"]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

VERY, VERY, SOON (vote now!)

Setael-5 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation)

Devastation-3 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo)
Pablo-2 (Setael, Tajo)
Sironi-2 (Zwet, Naomi)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo)
Tajo-1 (Xtoxm)

Not vig-voting scum:

AJ, Dramonic

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

VERY, VERY, SOON (vote now!)

Setael-5 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation)

Devastation-3 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo)
Pablo-2 (Setael, Tajo)
Sironi-2 (Zwet, Naomi)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo)
Tajo-1 (Xtoxm)

Not vig-voting scum:

AJ, Dramonic

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Elmo]

On a basic level, Trillby can't be NK-immune for "he must survive" flavour reasons because then he would also have to be lynch-immune, otherwise we might lynch him which would similarly break the flavour.