Mini 810: Infection! Mini - Game over!

[Mokina]

They might drop scientist tells, but I'm not sure how wise it would be to claim. Scum would see the WIFOM immediately and might not bite, whereas tells will almost definitely help mask the real scientist.

But it's an individual choice, in the end.

[Mokina]

Sorry for the double post, addressing FA's reply now.

@ fallen angel: Everything's relative here, and we would very much prefer that scum attack test subjects over anyone else, vaccinations aside. If we know who they're going to attack, by all means, send in the scientists. But until then, test subjects should try to divert the night choice.

[Battle Mage]

That wouldn't really help, would it? There is only a chance that they are immune, not a certainty. If they are immune, that is a pretty good idea, but if they are wrong then it's just another infected player. Do you just mean as a distraction to the infected, so they think they got the real scientist?

yes.

BM

[Xylthixlm]

Day 1 Vote Count

populartajo -

3

(malthusis, veerus, Battle Mage)
Battle Mage -

2

(fallen angel, Shotty to the Body)
Kelly Chen -

2

(populartajo, Kid Know Nothing)
Kid Know Nothing -

1

(Kelly Chen)
Mokina -

1

(Rally Vincent)
Shotty to the Body -

1

(charter)
Rally Vincent -

1

(Mokina)
fallen angel -

1

(PaperPenguin)

Not voting:

nobody

With 12 alive it will take 7 to lynch.

[malthusis]

fallen angel wrote:
That wouldn't really help, would it? There is only a chance that they are immune, not a certainty. If they are immune, that is a pretty good idea, but if they are wrong then it's just another infected player. Do you just mean as a distraction to the infected, so they think they got the real scientist?


yes.

BM

But on the other hand, isn't a infected vanilla (or maybe no infected at all) better then an infected scientist?

[Mokina]

But on the other hand, isn't a infected vanilla (or maybe no infected at all) better then an infected scientist?

Absolutely, though I don't see why this is contrary to BM's point. Elaborate?

[Shotty to the Body]

The problem with fake-claims is lying to your fellow town as a pro-town role isn't usually a good idea. Tricking your fellow town is as likely as tricking the scum. If you fake-claim scientist as bullet-proof that'll most likely waste vaccinates if there are other scientists and get a character that otherwise might've been NK proof shot by the guard. Fake-claiming bullet-proof as Scientist might work, but then again you might just get lynched if people don't think bullet-proof is justification for the votes on you (assuming you're claiming to avoid lynch). Protective PRs tend to avoid suspicion whereas a bullet-proof would have no problem being the best pro-town he could be to avoid guard kills or lynches. Guess my noobie logic will have to do for this post BM.

[Mokina]

The problem with fake-claims is lying to your fellow town as a pro-town role isn't usually a good idea. Tricking your fellow town is as likely as tricking the scum.

Correct. In general, it's a bad idea because it makes the rest of the town (the majority) more uninformed. However, in some special cases, a real claim would give protowns very little useful information

compared to the amount of useful information it would give scum

. In these cases, a slightly different roleclaim might redirect the attention of the baddies and avoid town power losses.

If you fake-claim scientist as bullet-proof that'll most likely waste vaccinates if there are other scientists and get a character that otherwise might've been NK proof shot by the guard. Fake-claiming bullet-proof as Scientist might work, but then again you might just get lynched if people don't think bullet-proof is justification for the votes on you (assuming you're claiming to avoid lynch).

First instnace? Feh. Could go either way, but you're probably right. Also... that's certainly a valid argument re: second scenario. False claims when you're a protown can understate the importance of keeping you alive, and if someone gets bad vibes, they may invoke a very Lynch-All-Liars mindset and call you out as newly-infected scum. Think carefully about lying to fellow protowns and weigh the benefits with the costs before you do it.

Protective PRs tend to avoid suspicion whereas a bullet-proof would have no problem being the best pro-town he could be to avoid guard kills or lynches. Guess my noobie logic will have to do for this post BM.

Right, and this was the point I made earlier. Protectives will (and should) try to keep their heads down, whereas our semi-bulletproofs can be protown, smart, and (I would argue) intentionally dropping scientells.

Oh, time to pressure people to talk - hey, are you someone other than me, shotty, or BM? Any thoughts on the current discourse? You should post and help the town! I have a random vote on right now, but I am just about ready to push for lurker lynches, soo...

[Mokina]

[EBWOP: First instance*]

Ugh, hate my spelling late at night. 1:25 here. Sleeping.

[Shotty to the Body]

I agree, where is the rest of the town? =P

[Kelly Chen]

Trying to get my head around this discussion.

I don't think I agree with this, for example:

As already has been pointed out, claiming scientist (wether real or fake) will either lead to being infected and/or killed by the guard (if there is).

I think a scientist shouldn't give themselves the vaccine until they've been outed by lynch pressure. But they don't use it right away, they flip a coin each night or something. If the infected attack the claimed scientist on the night he gives himself the vaccine, then the infected die. Too risky surely?

I'm not sure the infected will be too insistent on targeting claimed scientists anyway. They are basically doctors (or blockers) who can't repeat target. They are not confirmable at all, if I'm not mistaken.

So I'm not sure how much thought scientists warrant

[Rally Vincent]

I think a scientist should aim to always vaccinate someone else. Vaccinating himself will protect only him, while vaccinating someone else prevents that player being infected and him infecting someone else. Claiming scientist will practically force that player to vaccinate himself, and if I got you right that you think that scum rather would not target the scientist, a claim wouldn't serve much - if scum wouldn't target the scientist, the others go unprotected anyways, and the scientist would be dead meat the following night.

In addition, a guard kill would still be likely.

[fallen angel]

It isn't a good idea to claim scientist unless forced to. If the scientist claims, major wifom ensures, and that gets us nowhere. If the scientist is able to stay hidden, he or she will be able to vaccinate someone else with less chance of being the infected's target.

[veerus]

I'm here. Trying to understand all the claim arguments. Personally, I'm not sure any sort of a claim is a good idea at this point. But since we're on the topic, can someone smarter than me run through the theory for each groups best claim? (kind of like test subjects claiming scientists).

And by the way, i like that idea however I can see a potential problem developing down the road when that player gets quized about whom he vaccinated during the night.

[PaperPenguin]

I agree, where is the rest of the town? =P

Trying as hard as possible not to get lynched. This game is strange in that people want to be NKed.

[Shotty to the Body]

I agree, where is the rest of the town? =P

Trying as hard as possible not to get lynched. This game is strange in that people want to be NKed.

Lynch all lurkers!! Just kidding. =P It is odd that your alignment can switch mid-game, all your awesome towning can become a hindrance if you get infected. I'd still like to see everyone post.

[Mokina]

Trying as hard as possible not to get lynched. This game is strange in that people want to be NKed.

Only the immune semi-bulletproofs and scientists who have injected themselves, because they can effectively kill infected by drawing an attack.

...all your awesome towning can become a hindrance if you get infected.

Right. The more analytical and protown you act, the more the scum will want to target you. Vote histories will have to be conducted a little differently, and the argument that someone has

suddenly

become much more scummy might actually matter.

Other than that, it's vanilla mafia.

[Kid Know Nothing]

I agree, where is the rest of the town? =P

Reading the claim arguments, not really wanting to muck it up. As I didn't have anything to say in regards to claims, I stayed quiet. I'm trying to understand the mechanics of this game and how it'll effect hunting.

This is going to be... different.

[charter]

Shotty and Kid are my current top two suspects.

I'm still in favor of no counterclaims.

[Kid Know Nothing]

Shotty and Kid are my current top two suspects.

I'm still in favor of no counterclaims.

Care to explain your suspicions?

[Shotty to the Body]

Shotty and Kid are my current top two suspects.

I'm still in favor of no counterclaims.

Any particular reason why? I'm more suspicious of all the people not posting anything that are flying under the radar.

[populartajo]

Seems I didnt miss much.

Willshare my thoughts in some moments'

[Mokina]

Shotty and Kid are my current top two suspects.

Any particular reason why? I'm more suspicious of all the people not posting anything that are flying under the radar.

QFT. I'd like to hear why. Shotty at least is willing to think aloud and plan the best course of action - at this stage, that's all the protown you can hope for.

There are definitely some active lurkers out there that seem content to have the town go blind into this, and they are making me worried.

[fallen angel]

Sorry, will post later tonight/tomorrow. Didn't have a lot of free time, spent today with my family.

[Kelly Chen]

I might just be rusty... I'm not sure how to turn this around and get some more activity. I don't really want to pressure people not participating in a strategy discussion that I doubt is even that important.

Raise your hand if you're reading the game but are at a loss for what to say

/raise