The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Elmo]

Also, we seem to have a lot of people with only 1-2 votes on them, it may call for some kind of instant-runoff voting if we can't get decent wagons moving.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

VERY, VERY, SOON (vote now!)

Setael-4 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi)

Devastation-3 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo)
Pablo-2 (Setael, Tajo)
Sironi-2 (Zwet, Naomi)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo)
Tajo-1 (Xtoxm)

Not vig-voting scum:

Devastation, AJ

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Lamont_Cranston]

Also, we seem to have a lot of people with only 1-2 votes on them, it may call for some kind of instant-runoff voting if we can't get decent wagons moving.

Instant-runoff voting (IRV) is the American English term for a voting system used for single-winner elections, in which voters rank candidates in an order of preference. If no candidate is the first preference of a majority of voters, the candidate with the fewest number of first preference rankings is eliminated and that candidate's ballots are redistributed at full value to the remaining candidates according to the next ranking on each ballot. This process is repeated until one candidate obtains a majority of votes among candidates not eliminated. The term "instant runoff" is used because the method is said to simulate a series of runoff elections tallied in rounds, as in an exhaustive ballot election.[1]

Apparently this is a fancy way of saying:

"If you're not on a main wagon, join one!"

AND

"If you don't you're scum!"

[Elmo]

I want to say this before I forget it. The liquid hohum drank is listed as "Chzo's Blood". Based on what little I know / can scrounge together of the flavour, it seems a decent assumption that the bad guys are pro-Chzo. It follows that, if a decanter of his blood was around here, they probably had something to do with it. Okay. All this leads up to:

tl;dr - do you think the bad guys knew what the decanter did? And subsequently, would avoid drinking from it?

[Xtoxm]

No.

[Elmo]

Hmm. Also - what effect would it have on a bad guy? Is there anyone here familiar with the flavour? I've only played 5 days a stranger, and that was a while ago.

[Xtoxm]

Pretty sure it would have the same effect on everyone. I've not really thought about it.

[Nyx]

Vig Vote:Zwets

I don't like how you both want Sironi and Naomi dead for their claims only. Which both aren't scummy and haven't been counter claimed.

I'm definitely not voting Siro for his claim.

Then for what reason are you voting for him ? I can't remember you mentioning anything else.

I don't see anything wrong with voting someone who claimed Vanillager for no reason. Its an anti-town thing to do.

He thought it could save his life even though as town it's not smart to claim vanilla.

@Nyx somewhere
How do you say that naomi's claim isn't scummy?

We all agree the claim was horrible but besides it being formulated badly I can't see anything scummy in it. Plus the fact that the claim is a very important role in the lore and no one counter claimed.

Do you deserve to be here ?

Whatcha mean by that? lol.

You claimed innocent vanilla so just wondering.

@Town
Are we going for a majority of the votes for the vig so that informed anti-town parties have less influence or just who has the most ?

[Devestation]

sorry, I've been bushwhacking Homework.

<color=blue>Setael</color>

Shouldnt have to post my reasons at this time.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

VERY, VERY, SOON (vote now!)

Setael-5 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation)

Devastation-3 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo)
Pablo-2 (Setael, Tajo)
Sironi-2 (Zwet, Naomi)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo)
Tajo-1 (Xtoxm)

Not vig-voting scum:

AJ

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Rockatansky]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

VERY, VERY, SOON (vote now!)

Setael-5 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation)

Devastation-3 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo)
Pablo-2 (Setael, Tajo)
Sironi-2 (Zwet, Naomi)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo)
Tajo-1 (Xtoxm)

Not vig-voting scum:

AJ

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

You need to set a hard deadline for vig voting

[Lamont_Cranston]

Hmm. Also - what effect would it have on a bad guy? Is there anyone here familiar with the flavour? I've only played

5

days a stranger

, and that was a while ago.

Yes and that is the game with the

Manor

. The Mod was very particular to point out that was the manor we are in.

Now since Trilby is the central character and the game is called FIVE days a stranger HOW IN THE WORLD does it make ANY sense for Trilby to be a one-shot cop!??

I mean the game isn't called ONE Day a Stranger!!!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

VERY, VERY, SOON (vote now!)

Setael-5 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation)

Devastation-3 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo)
Pablo-2 (Setael, Tajo)
Sironi-2 (Zwet, Naomi)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo)
Tajo-1 (Xtoxm)

Not vig-voting scum:

AJ

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

You need to set a hard deadline for vig voting

I'm waiting for AJ's prod to get back?

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Town
Are we going for a majority of the votes for the vig so that informed anti-town parties have less influence or just who has the most ?

My thoughts were just the most votes but there has been a call for a "runoff" which could mean something different...

[Xtoxm]

I already linked you to a GD thread where AJ announced he's quitting and asked to be replaced in all his games. He's not coming back.

[Xtoxm]

Hmm. Also - what effect would it have on a bad guy? Is there anyone here familiar with the flavour? I've only played

5

days a stranger

, and that was a while ago.

Yes and that is the game with the

Manor

. The Mod was very particular to point out that was the manor we are in.

Now since Trilby is the central character and the game is called FIVE days a stranger HOW IN THE WORLD does it make ANY sense for Trilby to be a one-shot cop!??

I mean the game isn't called ONE Day a Stranger!!!

When designing a setup, sometimes flavour is sacrificed for balance. Think about it from a modding standpoint. I would need to play the game to know, but you should only push this argument if you're really sure it's the case.

[Elmo]

We all agree the claim was horrible but besides it being formulated badly I can't see anything scummy in it. Plus the fact that the claim is a very important role in the lore and no one counter claimed.

Bearing in mind the section of Setael's post that I quoted, why do you come down on the side of just "formulated badly" instead of the claim changing to suit the enquiries? She seemed to answer Amished very clearly.

The claim is "important in the lore" precisely because Trillby is the main character and therefore the most obvious fakeclaim possible, which pound-for-pound makes it more likely to be fake. The lack of counter-claim doesn't mean anything; I would be surprised if Trillby was in the game at all, and on the off-chance they were it'd be silly to counterclaim.

Nyx, that view of Naomi's claim seems a bit slanted to me. Can you walk me through how you got there?

@Lamont: A runoff would provide an easy solution to the "lots of small wagons" thing. Although it would make your life harder maintaining the count. I think we should have vigged someone by about halfway through the day, which is... today. Oh. Hm. You really need to vig vote, people!

[Pablo Molinero]

Sorry, kids, but I'm going to be away in a few hours til late, late Monday, so plz no prods or replacements.

MOD: Away Til Tuesday

I'm comfortable with my votes right now.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Setael-5 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation)
Devastation-3 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo)

These are the main wagons. I don't see the Devastation case really and so I can't really support it at this time.

I think we've caught scum in Setael. Her "rofl the town sucks" post followed by game abandonment reminds me of scum. Her lack of response to my pointed question concerning Ho living an extra day and her attempt to sway to village towards disbelieving Amished's claim while he is UNK Doc looks very suspicious. All of those things piled together make a good case against Set.

Pablo-2 (Setael, Tajo)
Sironi-2 (Zwet, Naomi)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo)

These are the secondary wagons.

I can't say I see much on Zwet; his before the deadline post for Stepho is noted (could be good or bad who knows? The fact he voted is good tho).

I can see the cases on Pablo and Sironi and I'm not sure which one is stronger but from my last examinations they seemed kind of on the weaker side.

Tajo-1 (Xtoxm)

This wagon is going nowhere. I would recommend a re-vote here.

Not vig-voting scum: AJ

Now this is a whole different ball of wax. AJ will be replaced 100%. We need a replacement that is willing to re-read and make a responsible decision. I would recommend they start at least from D2 (Pg. 46) and read from there and see what they think, what questions they have etc.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vote Count:

Naomi_Saotome: 2 (Lamont_Cranston, Pyromaniac)

Lamont_Cranston: 2 (Naomi_Saotome, Rockatansky)

Stephoscope: 2 (Sironigous, zwetschenwasser)

Pablo Molinero: 1 (populartajo)

Setael: 1 (Amished)

Pyromaniac: 1 (Pablo Molinero)

Since I completely forgot/ignored Xtoxm's post accidentally, I have been a little tardy in hitting up the replacement thread. As a result, I will be extending this Day by 3 Days.

The new deadline is the 8th of July.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Hmm. Also - what effect would it have on a bad guy? Is there anyone here familiar with the flavour? I've only played

5

days a stranger

, and that was a while ago.

Yes and that is the game with the

Manor

. The Mod was very particular to point out that was the manor we are in.

Now since Trilby is the central character and the game is called FIVE days a stranger HOW IN THE WORLD does it make ANY sense for Trilby to be a one-shot cop!??

I mean the game isn't called ONE Day a Stranger!!!

When designing a setup, sometimes flavour is sacrificed for balance. Think about it from a modding standpoint. I would need to play the game to know, but you should only push this argument if you're really sure it's the case.

Ya I'm certain because there is no reason why Trilby would HAVE to be dumbed down. Trilby would be a determining factor in the game balance itself (as the main character). The game would be built around him and the disembodied boy. So the Mod wouldn't dumb Trilby down but OTHER roles to provide game balance.

A one-shot cop is

extremely

weak for THE main character of the game. And once again UNK makes no sense; Trilby can die plenty in the game and is at no time immune to it (not by default anyway).

However, I would like to understand more what Amished's role is and where the Mod got it and the details of it. I would like this iinofrmation before we vig. Can anyone help me here?

[Xtoxm]

MOD: Are you deleting posts? Something funny is going on with the post numbers. It's confusing.

[Xtoxm]

Hmm. Also - what effect would it have on a bad guy? Is there anyone here familiar with the flavour? I've only played

5

days a stranger

, and that was a while ago.

Yes and that is the game with the

Manor

. The Mod was very particular to point out that was the manor we are in.

Now since Trilby is the central character and the game is called FIVE days a stranger HOW IN THE WORLD does it make ANY sense for Trilby to be a one-shot cop!??

I mean the game isn't called ONE Day a Stranger!!!

When designing a setup, sometimes flavour is sacrificed for balance. Think about it from a modding standpoint. I would need to play the game to know, but you should only push this argument if you're really sure it's the case.

Ya I'm certain because there is no reason why Trilby would HAVE to be dumbed down. Trilby would be a determining factor in the game balance itself (as the main character). The game would be built around him and the disembodied boy. So the Mod wouldn't dumb Trilby down but OTHER roles to provide game balance.

A one-shot cop is

extremely

weak for THE main character of the game. And once again UNK makes no sense; Trilby can die plenty in the game and is at no time immune to it (not by default anyway).

However, I would like to understand more what Amished's role is and where the Mod got it and the details of it. I would like this iinofrmation before we vig. Can anyone help me here?

Well, i'm pretty damn certain there isn't going to be an NK Immune Cop (full) in the game...It's way too powerful.

Lamont, i've already said how you can die in-game doesn't count.

Does Trilby survive at the end of the game, in the

storyline

?

[Xtoxm]

And on my vig vote: Ok.

Vote: Populartajo

I'll choose either Seteal or Zwet. Probably Seteal.

[Xtoxm]

I still maintain killing Tajo would be good. Look at his isolation...He lurking hard, providing next to nothing, and, like half of his posts are stallers. I don't like his veiled attack on me in his last post; also illustrates he isn't reading most of the thread.

Just because I conceded my point about your disinterest, doesn't nullify the others.