Mini 686 - Chess Mafia (Done)

[Abstract Actuary]

Our three weakest and most vulnerable squares are f4, f3 and c2 and while Rg1 does relieve the pin, it does not protect any of those squares. I didn't want to have to show black the troublesome moves I was seeing after Rg1, but since the support for it is growing, I will show one.

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 e6 4. Nf3 f5 5. exf5 exf5 6. Qe2 Be7 7. Nd5 Nb4 8. Nxb4 cxb4 9. d4 Nf6 10. Qc4 a6 11. Bd2 b5 12. Qd3 O-O 13. Qxf5 d5 14. Qd3 Ne4 15. g3 Bf5 16. Qb3 Nxd2 17. Kxd2 Be4 18. Re1 Kh8 19. Qe3 g5 20. Rg1 Qc7

[Mastin]

And then we just do BD3 then.

[veerus]

And then we lose. No thanks.

The f4 pawn is lost. We need to salvage the game before we lose that too.

[Mastin]

No.

20. Rg1 Qc7
21. Bd3 Qc2. Check.
22. Bc2. They give us their queen.

We don't lose anything by waiting a turn.

[Mastin]

Also, if they do

20. Rg1 Qc7
21. Bd3 Qc3. Check.
We respond by simply capturing their queen with our pawn.

Simple, really. They can't harm us.

[veerus]

Both of those lines are aboslutely ridiculous and completely unrealistic.

[veerus]

doh, on a side note, i deleted all my notes about this game because i thought it was going to be dead i guess i'll have to re-read if this goes down to the wire

[MafiaSSK]

Prodstick time. Ask your friends if they can replace in here.

[Goatrevolt]

The f4 pawn is lost. We need to salvage the game before we lose that too.

This is true.

Move Bd3

Better to lose that pawn in a few moves then worsen our position irrevocably.

[Goatrevolt]

doh, on a side note, i deleted all my notes about this game because i thought it was going to be dead i guess i'll have to re-read if this goes down to the wire

Ouch. I use to take notes, but I have become increasingly lazier the longer I play mafia (and also I would never go back and look at them, so it was a pointless venture).

[sirdanilot]

post to avoid replacement

[Abstract Actuary]

No.

20. Rg1 Qc7
21. Bd3 Qc2. Check.
22. Bc2. They give us their queen.

We don't lose anything by waiting a turn.

Also, if they do

20. Rg1 Qc7
21. Bd3 Qc3. Check.
We respond by simply capturing their queen with our pawn.

Simple, really. They can't harm us.

Mastin, these are two absolutely ridiculous lines. The players in this game aren't grandmasters, but most of them aren't terrible chess players either. If you see a line where they lose their queen, don't even explore it.

Qc7, attacks both our c2 pawn and our f4 pawn.
20. Rg1 Qc7
21. Bd3 Bxd3
22. Q/K/c xd3 gxf4
23. gxf4 R/Q xf4

and we've lost a pawn. The moves with slashes allow for different pieces to use for certain captures, but ultimately don't affect the lost pawn, though may affect the position.

[Lawrencelot]

Unmove

[Mastin]

Qc7, attacks both our c2 pawn and our f4 pawn.

We can guard the c2 pawn with our bishop once Qc7 is done, the f4 pawn is protected by a pawn AND our queen. So if they captured the f4 pawn, we'd capture their f-4 pawn, nothing to take our pawn's position. If they use their queen, guess what? We capture it with our queen.

So, no, nothing wrong with waiting.

[Indigo Heron]

Sound strategy, but that you've missed the rook lurking on the f8-square.

As far as I can see, Rg1 definitely has a chance for us to salvage something from this game, but otherwise, it leads to a drawn position.

@AA: I disagree with your move. I think that

20. Rg1 Qc7
21. Bd3 Bxd3
22. Kxd3 Bf6
23. Ne5 Rac8

Also, you guys are not including Bd3 in your discussions.

[Abstract Actuary]

Qc7, attacks both our c2 pawn and our f4 pawn.

We can guard the c2 pawn with our bishop once Qc7 is done, the f4 pawn is protected by a pawn AND our queen. So if they captured the f4 pawn, we'd capture their f-4 pawn, nothing to take our pawn's position. If they use their queen, guess what? We capture it with our queen.

So, no, nothing wrong with waiting.

Please reread my post. It lays out the exact thing you discuss. Here is a sequence of moves with capture pieces chosen to make it more clear.

20. Rg1 Qc7
21. Bd3 Bxd3
22. Kxd3 gxf4
23. gxf4 Qxf4
24. Qxf4 Rxf4

and we have lost a pawn.

Sound strategy, but that you've missed the rook lurking on the f8-square.

As far as I can see, Rg1 definitely has a chance for us to salvage something from this game, but otherwise, it leads to a drawn position.

@AA: I disagree with your move. I think that

20. Rg1 Qc7
21. Bd3 Bxd3
22. Kxd3 Bf6
23. Ne5 Rac8

Also, you guys are not including Bd3 in your discussions.

Maybe I am unclear on your read of my post. My current proposal is for Bd3 and against Rg1. In your moves above they wouldn't play Bf6, they would play gxf4, just like I describe above . . . twice.

[Mastin]

Ah, right. My bad.

Unmove,
Move: Bishop to D3

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[sirdanilot]

prod avoidance

[veerus]

prod avoidance

now do the same thing but with a move suggestion

[Indigo Heron]

Well, I'm glad that people have done the analysis for me.

Move: Bd3

[Lawrencelot]

I don't feel like analyzing (anymore), more than 2 people have voted for this move so

move: Bd3

[sirdanilot]

move: Bd3

Veerus, why would I bother giving a suggestion if I'm not only very bad at chess, but there's also nobody willing to listen to my suggestions, not to mention that you actually thought I was scum due to my suggestions (most horrible thought ever)?

Also this game sucks.

[veerus]

Great. On the bright side, I'm warming up to the idea that you suck too much to be scum. Rejoice.

move: Bd3

[MafiaSSK]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 e6 4. Nf3 f5 5. exf5 exf5 6. Qe2 Be7 7. Nd5 Nb4 8. Nxb4 cxb4 9. d4 Nf6 10. Qc4 a6 11. Bd2 b5 12. Qd3 O-O 13. Qxf5 d5 14. Qd3 Ne4 15. g3 Bf5 16. Qb3 Nxd2 17. Kxd2 Be4 18. Re1 Kh8 19. Qe3 g5 20. Bd3

Deadline move-lynch was reached with 4 votes on Bd3.Sorry that I couldn't get on yesterday. Hell, I'm barely getting on today. Anyways, Night 20 actions and all that jazz.

[Awesome Pants]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 e6 4. Nf3 f5 5. exf5 exf5 6. Qe2 Be7 7. Nd5 Nb4 8. Nxb4 cxb4 9. d4 Nf6 10. Qc4 a6 11. Bd2 b5 12. Qd3 O-O 13. Qxf5 d5 14. Qd3 Ne4 15. g3 Bf5 16. Qb3 Nxd2 17. Kxd2 Be4 18. Re1 Kh8 19. Qe3 g5 20. Bd3 gxf4

And so Day 21 begins. Deadline is July 3rd.