MmmMMmm I don't know...It might help us pin point AS, but scum can lie and say they are AS when they aren't ruining this idea.Mastermind of Sin wrote:No, I don't think that this partial claim should include colors.
Example:
Person X: I am Aes Sedai.
Person Y: I am also Aes Sedai.
Person Z: I am not Aes Sedai.
Simple as that, no color or ability information necessary.
This is a terrible, terrible argument full of bad thinking and it makes me want to lynch MBL. Now that I think of it, Isacc was Power-immune also, wasn't he? COuld MBL be the mysterious second dismemberer?Let's take you through an exercise to see which region of your brain isn't functioning properly. If you end up swearing at me a lot after this, it's probably your thalamus.
* MacavityLock and MBL, scumpartners, get in trouble. The town "knows" that one is lying because of detects.
* MacavityLock gets run up by town. He claims. They're ready to crucify him anyway.
* MBL says "no, folks, I don't know why MacavityLock claimed to target poor innocent me last night."
* MacavityLock is lynched as murderous scum who just tried to gank MBL and got caught.
* MBL eats cake for the rest of the game.
Which makes it a perfect safeclaim, neh? Especially without any details for what does it do?In general making a Warder is exactly what I would expect a Green's ability to be.
This is not the point in your favor you think it is. It is not notably a pointMy claim was the most complete/best for its time.
I'd like to see you claim.MrBuddyLee wrote:I'm flexible. Town loses a little utility from me claiming but not a ton, and might gain information.
I assume there are about 4 scum remaining, and perhaps a few protown power roles. If seven say no to the claim, I say we nix it, because that means that a few protown power roles see it as detrimental.
tss, I don't mean the argument 100% literally. I'm trying to drive home the point that if I were scumpartners with Macavity, bailing him out right there was about the worst play I could have made.the silent speaker wrote:This is a terrible, terrible argument full of bad thinking and it makes me want to lynch MBL.
You can rest assured that I won't be doing a thing simply because you suggested it. You outed or tried to out about 8 players singlehandedly. If there was a scummy for terrible play, you'd win it, UNLESS you're scum.Benmage wrote:I'd like to see you claim.
MrBuddyLee wrote:Let bygones be bygones enough tit-for-tat mocking posts…this post is pretty good. You’re looking at different arguments.the silent speaker wrote: Eating a nightkill would be a win.
All that being said, I do find it odd that MacavityLock claimed to try and still me all by himself. I suggest this for a few reasons:
1) If his partner is ABR, why didn't they ask anyone else to help still me? I read in thread it takes more than one.. so why would Mac piss his night action away if there was like 0% chance of it working? Why wouldn't Albert invoke the usual "My partner has a request" and actually get the job done ???
2) Why still MBL when it's obvious from the thread that I'm not Aes Sedai?
Is it possible that Macavity tried to fry me last night and failed? Does that make more sense than him trying to still me?
Macavity, last chance to admit you did anything besides stilling, because I don't particularly buy that that's what you tried to do to me.
I doubt you’re going to get a reverse admitting out of ML, it would mean instant-death.
“Eating a nightkill would be a win” Caught my eye…why have you been so abstinent in the past, if you dying alone benefits us?
TSS statement about the 3rd dismemberment, something about OP immunity seems farfetched, but it did get me thinking about peculiar roles/abilities. You saying he failed to fry you last night means what… you have the foxhead medallion?
I totally agree, his stilling attempt made 0 sense and seemed like a horrible move, I’m sure I mentioned this before.
Nope, I attempted to Still you. Before twi 4, I made ABR aware of the fact that I would be attempting to Still an in-thread liar, but I did not tell him which one. I did not expect, nor did I want, him to Still anybody along with me. My desired purpose was detection results only, and I did not expect to succeed in Stilling you, as I don't think you're AS.MrBuddyLee wrote:Macavity, last chance to admit you did anything besides stilling, because I don't particularly buy that that's what you tried to do to me.
All I know for a fact is my ability. My guess, given what I know about WoT, would be that my ability is on the low end of power of what Kinetic probably gave out. I would expect Red, Green, and Yellow abilities to be more powerful than mine. I think that Blue, Gray, and Brown could either more or less useful than mine, not sure.armlx wrote:A) If Mac is telling the truth, the average AS power probably isn't to the point its worth specifically targeting them.
As I stated before, I used my Gentling ability on SpyreX Twi 1. Assuming that he had the same abilities I did, I would expect that Kison-White Ajah probably did the same. I did not receive any sort of message about the efficacy of the Gentle.armlx wrote:What did SpyreX do to confirm himself as actually having been a channeler in the first place? If there is a claim, I want those who stilled (or w/e) him to come forward with some notification of success, as I'm starting to wonder if its possible for a scum to have just run the gambit claim D1.
May I ask which hypothesis you endorse? Surely you didn't go through all that work simply to indulge in WIFOM at the end of it?MrBuddyLee wrote:Hypothesis A:
Benmage has taken about 30 distinct anti-town acts. That's because he is scum, and he should be put down promptly.
Hypothesis B:
Benmage has taken about 30 distinct anti-town acts. He's town and he needs to learn to play this game, so he should be encouraged to simmer down, watch, and learn for a bit.
I would be willing to participate in a partial massclaim.Mastermind of Sin wrote:I need the following people to comment on whether or not they will go along with the partial massclaim:
4. julienvonwolfe
This is certainly how I felt in the last game, when I was Aes Sedai.Sajin wrote:I believe ABR is a roleblocker. I just think he has lied to many times to be anything but black ajah. I have to parse everything I type carefully in order to not be penalized yet he seems to not really be following them at all and has misstated ability usages and statements by other people a couple of times and he still has his powers?
How's that going, then?Goatrevolt wrote:Sorry for basically disappearing. I'm busy today but will hopefully have a chance to catch up tonight/early tomorrow.
Despite the whole thing with Flay and the Jester? I'm unclear as to your thoughts on the setup, but do you think that possible multiple scumgroups would affect this?armlx wrote:What did SpyreX do to confirm himself as actually having been a channeler in the first place? If there is a claim, I want those who stilled (or w/e) him to come forward with some notification of success, as I'm starting to wonder if its possible for a scum to have just run the gambit claim D1.
I don't think it's useful for us to claim colors/abilities, see Mac's post as well.armlx wrote:See above. If you other options were actually that bad, sure.
MoS, a full AS claim is probably valid at this point, given that
A) If Mac is telling the truth, the average AS power probably isn't to the point its worth specifically targeting them.
B) Actual infinite info to sort with the detect abilities.
One last thing
What did SpyreX do to confirm himself as actually having been a channeler in the first place? If there is a claim, I want those who stilled (or w/e) him to come forward with some notification of success, as I'm starting to wonder if its possible for a scum to have just run the gambit claim D1.
Why does it matter? He could have easily lied about it. As for Moratorium, he has indeed slept at the location he claimed.Mastermind of Sin wrote:I don't think it's useful for us to claim colors/abilities, see Mac's post as well.armlx wrote:See above. If you other options were actually that bad, sure.
MoS, a full AS claim is probably valid at this point, given that
A) If Mac is telling the truth, the average AS power probably isn't to the point its worth specifically targeting them.
B) Actual infinite info to sort with the detect abilities.
One last thing
What did SpyreX do to confirm himself as actually having been a channeler in the first place? If there is a claim, I want those who stilled (or w/e) him to come forward with some notification of success, as I'm starting to wonder if its possible for a scum to have just run the gambit claim D1.
ABR, I have a question for you. On the night that you attempted to roleblock Isacc, did your detection results reflect that attempt?
Two things:Albert B. Rampage wrote:Why does it matter? He could have easily lied about it. As for Moratorium, he has indeed slept at the location he claimed.Mastermind of Sin wrote:I don't think it's useful for us to claim colors/abilities, see Mac's post as well.armlx wrote:See above. If you other options were actually that bad, sure.
MoS, a full AS claim is probably valid at this point, given that
A) If Mac is telling the truth, the average AS power probably isn't to the point its worth specifically targeting them.
B) Actual infinite info to sort with the detect abilities.
One last thing
What did SpyreX do to confirm himself as actually having been a channeler in the first place? If there is a claim, I want those who stilled (or w/e) him to come forward with some notification of success, as I'm starting to wonder if its possible for a scum to have just run the gambit claim D1.
ABR, I have a question for you. On the night that you attempted to roleblock Isacc, did your detection results reflect that attempt?
SK maybe?Despite the whole thing with Flay and the Jester? I'm unclear as to your thoughts on the setup, but do you think that possible multiple scumgroups would affect this?
Concur. Simply claiming AS, who you targeted what night, and detections is all I would like to see.I don't think it's useful for us to claim colors/abilities, see Mac's post as well.
Hence my continued doubt. With a mass claim we could at least discover if he was gentled or not. (I think ML is the only one to claim to attempted gentling SpryeX d1)MrBuddyLee wrote:I think someone detected One Power and SpyreX claimed it? I don't believe anyone specifically tied him to the action.