The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Sironigous]

Can you give a little more reasoning for having me as your 2nd scummiest player? "lol roleblock" is not much of a reason, especially if you're aware that amished said the scum don't have a roleblocker (based on solid reasoning) and that is what I was referring to with my statement.

Frankly, anyone who would use such a weak reason has to be scum struggling to fabricate suspicion on players they know are protown. (I'm looking at pablo and sironigous). I'd be happy to see either of them vigged.) I could definitely see then as scum partners. Sironi didn't even mention pablo in that last post.

I was thinking about mentioning Pablo, but I didn't have anything to back it up.

It was like Devastation, but even smaller.

Other than that, I'm not going to outguess the mod on the possibility of a roleblocker or not. : |

[Sironigous]

I think it's pretty obvious that our flavor names are only flavor, Siro.

Well of course!

I felt like adding that anyway.

[Setael]

@xtoxm: what are you talking about? What does it even mean to be "prestigious" on this site? Very few people in this game have played with me before, so I certainly wouldn't say I'm prestigious to anyone here.

My point is that I have refuted the argument that my statement that there is no scum roleblocker was scummy. It has absolutely no merit. Anyone who thinks it's scummy should have taken issue with amished for saying it long before I did. And why didn't anyone? Because his reason for saying it made perfect sense. For this to be sironi's only reason for putting me so high in his scum list is absolutely ridiculous. Granted, he could just be a townie that's REALLY not paying attention and therefore has no read on anyone and grasps at something that has been shown to be baseless. More likely, though; he's scum who is having a hard time coming up with reason to be suspicious of players he knows are town.

[Xtoxm]

Well, that's a better explanation, but I still don't like how you're attacking him.

@xtoxm: what are you talking about? What does it even mean to be "prestigious" on this site? Very few people in this game have played with me before, so I certainly wouldn't say I'm prestigious to anyone here.

You have been here a long time...A lot longer than me. You were in one of my first games. You know a lot about mafia. That's what I mean.

[Sironigous]

Granted, you could also be scum trying to divert attention from yourself!

On that note, you are defending everyone else (without reason may I add) I said I thought was scummy.

More likely, though; he's scum who is having a hard time coming up with reason to be suspicious of players he knows are town.

Could that also be scum defending scum? Ahhhh!

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Seriously though...

That's Amished's view. Not the mod's.

Finally, while scum not roleblocking a claimed powerrole being stupid beyond belief easily leads to the conclusion that they do not have a roleblocker

I'm supposing claimed power role means Naomi. I don't understand how you know she wasn't role blocked - she didn't use any of her abilities.

And scum do know that she was a top lynch candidate and that her claim was very weak and that she could probably lynched the next day as well.

So if you people are going to speculate on scum minds, I will too.
why waste a night kill on someone who's almost certain to be lynched the next day?

[Setael]

For all the reasons you just listed, he obviously wasn't talking about naomi.

The claimed powerrole being spoken of there is Amished's. Does it really make sense that a protown multiprotect doc would not be roleblocked by scum if they had the ability? Either Amished successfully protected naomi (and therefore wasn't blocked) or he's not the reason Naomi was granted an extra day.

Either the scum have no roleblocker or Amished is not really a doc. It's as simple as that. My argument was/is that a doc this overpowered + no scum roleblocker = imbalanced game.

I see where you're coming from, Xtoxm. The more sironi talks the more I think it really is possible he's just not paying attention. Or not too bright.

@Sironi: Who is this in reference to?

On that note, you are defending everyone else (without reason may I add) I said I thought was scummy.

You cannot make statements like this without explaining it.

Pablo remains my #1 vig choice.

[Lamont_Cranston]

For all the reasons you just listed, he obviously wasn't talking about naomi.

The claimed powerrole being spoken of there is Amished's. Does it really make sense that a protown multiprotect doc would not be roleblocked by scum if they had the ability? Either Amished successfully protected naomi (and therefore wasn't blocked) or he's not the reason Naomi was granted an extra day.

Either the scum have no roleblocker or Amished is not really a doc. It's as simple as that. My argument was/is that a doc this overpowered + no scum roleblocker = imbalanced game.

I see where you're coming from, Xtoxm. The more sironi talks the more I think it really is possible he's just not paying attention. Or not too bright.

@Sironi: Who is this in reference to?

On that note, you are defending everyone else (without reason may I add) I said I thought was scummy.

You cannot make statements like this without explaining it.

Pablo remains my #1 vig choice.

You fail to answer my question regarding this which makes me think I'm correct about it.

FoS Setael

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Sironi-4 (Lamont, Pyro, Zwet, Naomi)

Pablo-2.5 (Amished, Setael, Xtoxm)
Devastation-1 (Stepho)
Stepho-1 (Sironi)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)

Not vig-voting scum:

Nyx, Tajo, Devastation, Rock, AJ, Pablo

[zwetschenwasser]

I think it's pretty obvious that our flavor names are only flavor, Siro.

Well of course!

I felt like adding that anyway.

To make your mafia fakeclaim more believable?

[Sironigous]

You cannot make statements like this without explaining it.

More likely, though; he's scum who is having a hard time coming up with reason to be suspicious of players he knows are town.

^^^ this one.

You think that I think I know that the players I think are scum are actually town, and if I were scum, I'd know they're town, meaning you must also think they're town (you're saying I'm having a hard time coming up with a reason to make them suspicious).

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To make your mafia fakeclaim more believable?

Well, it's not too much different than saying I'm just townie. hohum.

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Does it really make sense that a protown multiprotect doc would not be roleblocked by scum if they had the ability?

Gahhh.

How do you know they didn't?


But that's not my point...

You said yourself there wasn't a scum roleblocker.

Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?

You didn't say there WAS.

Therefore, Amished wasn't blocked anyway.

The vote and suspicion is from you saying that there ISN'T one.
So... multiprotect and everything else still happens...

And on that point...
Was that speculation or a statement, what you said there?

[zwetschenwasser]

YOU SAID HOHUM AGAIN!!!!

Unvote; Vote: Sironigous

[populartajo]

I need catching up. As far as I can see you all missed my proposition.

What is the case on Sironi? I remember seeing some protown behavior from him in a skim I made. But if I missed something, please point me to it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok, as far as I can see the case on Sironi is:

1) He claimed Vanillager out of the blue for no reason.
2) Called for mass roleclaim
3) What appeared to be opportunistic changing of policies on the elixir

I don't see a strong case on anyone really. This is mostly because there was no D1 lynch.

I think to find the optimal vig we need to find someone that will yield the most info regardless of what they flip OR who the village feels is the most scummy I guess.

We can use the Vig BW for analysis on the lynch to follow.

*** Everyone must vig vote or you will be lynched. ***

[populartajo]

Meh, Ok. I like some of his last post. Call it gut.

This game also needs more competing wagons.

Vote : Pablo.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Tajo, the vig comes first before the lynch. Could you please specify a vig vote as well?

[populartajo]

I thought it was obvious that my vote was a vig vote.

Depending of the results of the vig I will decide in my lynch vote.

I have no idea why some are voting for vig and for lynch at the same time.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Sironi-4 (Lamont, Pyro, Zwet, Naomi)

Pablo-3.5 (Amished, Setael, Xtoxm, Tajo)
Devastation-1 (Stepho)
Stepho-1 (Sironi)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)

Not vig-voting scum:

Nyx, Devastation, Rock, AJ, Pablo

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw Tajo, I was just thinking that if we lynch the #2 vig suspect it would reveal the most info no?

[Pyromaniac]

Why? Isn't it obvious that we should lynch naomi?

[Sironigous]

Ok, as far as I can see the case on Sironi is:

1) He claimed Vanillager out of the blue for no reason.

I was at V-1.


I'll respond to the others if you like, but I already did before.

[Pablo Molinero]

Vig: Setael

Vote: Setael

I'm about to kill someone irl, so I'll be back later when I'm more sane.

Big thing for people suspecting me from my reaction to Setael's RB comment, was because that WAS the first I had seen/heard anything pertaining to that line of thinking. It came out of left field and was quite jarring and very presumptuous. I ain't gonna let it go easy. I moved on from Naomi because we can still hold her accountable/lynch her tomorrow/gain information based on her investigation. Amished... it seems like his 'overpowered' role is circumstantial (and, as one who played the Chzo games, a "reality flip" seems very likely) and if it doesn't happen ever, late in the game we know Amished was talking out of his ass.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Elmo replaces hohum, effective immediately.

[Elmo]

OMG, HI SETAEL~!

hiallwhosscum?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Sironi-4 (Lamont, Pyro, Zwet, Naomi)

Pablo-3.5 (Amished, Setael, Xtoxm, Tajo)
Devastation-1 (Stepho)
Stepho-1 (Sironi)
Setael-1 (Pablo)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)


Not vig-voting scum:

Nyx, Devastation, Rock, AJ, Elmo

[Lamont_Cranston]

Here's my comments so far on the vig wagons:

I feel booth the Sironi & Pablo wagons although the evidence seems kind of weak overall.

I actually do feel the Set wagon alot. It really does seem like a night-chat setup on Amished. We have proof that his power works and scum would really want Amish lynched because that's the only way they can kill him (scum love killing an outed Doc).

Therefore based on this:

Unvote, Vote Setael