Open 150 - Crossfire - Game mod abandoned

[ZazieR]

mod, can you prod scum Fernando please, as well as Zazier and anyone else who is basically not posting here at all.

Already got prodded. And I'm going to read now.

[VP Baltar]

What does ITT mean?

In this thread

Fernando has said just as little as Lazarus.

I disagree. He acted scummy with how he got on that bandwagon. Lazarus has literally said next to nothing of substance.

[Kise]

IMO, Laz = (possible) scum that doesn't want to mentions name, so as not to draw anyone's attention towards him.

Fern = (possible) scum trying to make something outta nothing.

Laz's scumminess > Fern's scum juice.

Pay me 1 million dolla and I'll vote for Fern.

[VP Baltar]

How does actual scummy behaviour get outweighed by speculation about what Laz's intentions are?

[Kise]

Both have exhibited strange/scummy behavior. If I think Laz is more scummy than Fern, then let me think. In fact, if you're trying to get me to go against my own personal decision and vote for someone (Fern) I have not FoS'd, then

you are

starting to reek of George Bush-scumminess.

[VP Baltar]

Please elaborate what "strange/scummy" behaviour Lazarus has done and explain why it is more than what Fernando has done. You are definitely entitled to your opinion about who is scummy, but my point is that you seemed to avoid commenting on Fernando for the most part. Now that you are pressed a bit, you admit that he acted scummy. So, I would like you to explain more detail so I can understand your position better.

[Kise]

I have already pointed out Fern's petty case against Huntress. The thing is, he might personally believe that gut instincts are not needed during RVS, or whatever it was he said. At least

did

give a reason for his vote, no matter how odd it was.

MY suspicion about Laz is that he's quietly re-enforcing which lynch-wagons should go through. Unlike Fern, he has

not

stated any reasons why he agrees on any lynch wagon, and it looks to me like he's being typical maf during D1 by flying low under the radar and letting everyone else go at each other.

Understand my position now? It's doggystyle. Woof-woof!

[Kaiveran]

Furry replaces Scott Brosius, effective immediately.

I just counted all votes and then lost the whole votecount somehow. Dammit.

[Kmd4390]

Pay me 1 million dolla and I'll vote for Fern.

In all seriousness, Kise, you really do seem to be (weakly) suspecting quite a few people here. Any reason why?

[Kise]

Because they're suspicious.

Unvote; Vote: Fernando

I wasn't lying. Thanks for the payment!

[Zachrulez]

Both have exhibited strange/scummy behavior. If I think Laz is more scummy than Fern, then let me think. In fact, if you're trying to get me to go against my own personal decision and vote for someone (Fern) I have not FoS'd, then

you are

starting to reek of George Bush-scumminess.

Because they're suspicious.

Unvote; Vote: Fernando

I wasn't lying. Thanks for the payment!

*Eyebrow.*

Not liking this. So you find it scummy for people to try to persuade you to vote for who they think is scummy, yet you change your vote under the pressure?

[Furry]

Hey all, rereading. Either today or tomorrow I should have things up.

[Furry]

Games short, all caught up. And there was much rejoicing

(16/17) By Ash make little sense. Random vote in 16, followed by what appears to be a serious attack on dvd for a random vote. No FoS or vote on dvd is what sets of more bells.

(40) Kise says something from dvd that to me looks like a pretty obvious joke is a scumtell. Also he says that he sees an ash-dvd link, calls it sort of serious, but random votes, FoSs dvd, and does nothing about ash. If anything its more of a dvd-kise link then ash-dvd.

(50) Kham is being useless

(52) Fern misinterprets it and uses bad logic.

(53) Ive played in a 2:2:8 recently. Was scum with a moron who claim scum D1, got NKed N3 but I still got other scum lynched D3 and figured out the last one beforehand.

(54+) Thank you someone for trying to end the RVS

(80) laz is throwing out flase dillemas.

(84) Die lurker die. This is a really bad post. You come to the simply *stunning* conclusion that the zazie wagon is a random wagon. Also random wagons are not scummy. Some people like them for scumhunting reasons, I dont really play to well using those to hunt, but I know people who do.

You say your biggest scum read is kmd, then you say its really weak, you dont vote, and make sure you take no stance on anyone that can be used later in the game.

(100) dvd isnt as scummy as people are making him seem. Ash, DS, fern, kise and laz are all better votes.

(113) laz

is

scummy for not helping the thread. Not putting out suspicions and contributing is scummy.

(115) I thought he wasnt scummy?

(122) Kise is willing to vote a whole lot of people.

(134) And another player kise is willing to wagon out of nowhere.

Vote Kise

Fos Darkstrike, Ash

A better case later, but this guy needs to die quick

[VP Baltar]

I completely missed that where kise said Laz isn't scummy and then votes him in his next post. Obv scum who can't keep his story straight because he's FoS'ed almost everyone in the game.

this guy needs to die quick

Unvote, Vote: Kise

[Kmd4390]

Unvote, Vote Kise

Let's do this.

(There's something familiar about Furry for some reason. Not sure why...)

[Kise]

Well, hello! KMD told me it was a pro-town thing to do by voting after an intimate, drawn out conversation one night. After suggesting I vote for someone I FoS'd, I took his word and voted for one of my suspects. KMD paid me 1 million dolla, so I kept my word and voted for Fernie.

Furry, I think you've got a lot of nerve to call me out for all the people I'm willing to vote for, yet you list

just as many

people you would vote for:

Ash, DS, fern, kise and laz are all better votes.

WTF @ VP - I thought you wanted Fernando gone? What's with this opportunism I smell, eh?

[Kise]

Unvote, Vote Kise

Let's do this.

Motherphucker! You were another one of the hecklers who kept wanting me to vote based on who I thought deserved it.. and you paid me to vote for Fernando, so.. the phuck???

[VP Baltar]

You specifically said that Laz wasn't all that scummy. It makes no sense to vote for someone who isn't one of your main suspects, of which you seem to have plenty.

Hardly opportunism. Fernando can wait for tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

I will make this easy for you to understand Kise.

Lazarus isn't really scummy, he just isn't helping the thread. Ash's words toward dvdkid are about as strange as what Fernando had to say.

Vote: Lazarus

So if you can explain to me how Lazarus jumped in scumminess ahead of Ash and dvd for you to make that vote without him making a single post, I might consider unvoting you.

[Furry]

Well, hello! KMD told me it was a pro-town thing to do by voting after an intimate, drawn out conversation one night. After suggesting I vote for someone I FoS'd, I took his word and voted for one of my suspects. KMD paid me 1 million dolla, so I kept my word and voted for Fernie.

Stop doing these link quote things. Just quote them, I have a very slow computer so hate having to open three or four links when I read any of your posts.

Furry, I think you've got a lot of nerve to call me out for all the people I'm willing to vote for, yet you list

just as many

people you would vote for:

Ash, DS, fern, kise and laz are all better votes.

Reading fail much? This is me saying I dont like a dvd lynch, and saying all the people I would easily vote for instead of him. At this point you are my top pick (hence my vote) and the only others I would consider voting for are dark and ash.

If consider saying something like "dvd is less scummy then laz" the same as "I want to vote laz in my next post", you need to really get better at this whole comprehension thing. What I said is closer to "In the event that deadline close and dvd and laz were both at L-1, I would vote for laz before I vote for dvd."

[Kise]

That was nice of you to leave out the posts in-between where KMD tells me that it's pro-town to make a vote regardless of what I told him... but, anyway -->

Laz did not

say

anything scummy, but his shyness makes me wonder why he's avoiding any direct conversation with the other players. Every game I play, there's at least 1 (maybe 2) scumbag(s) who stays out of the spotlight during D1. With this knowledge/experience of mine (hopefully some of yours too), Laz's comments make me consider him the quiet mafia guy.

Ash has only made 3 posts total, so you can't read a whole lot out of that, but he still made some strange comments towards dvdkid

during the RVS

.

I later unFoS'd dvdkid

at the same time

I FoS'd Lazaur, which was well

before

I voted for Laz. Therefore, Laz's shyness/staying in the shadows made me suspect him more than I would suspect the 3-post wonder (Ash).

So, what happened to the Fernando wagon?

[Kise]

^ that post is directed at VP

[VP Baltar]

Laz's comments make me consider him the quiet mafia guy.

There are plenty of people apart from lazarus who haven't said much in this game, so this criteria is far too wide fitting to actually be pointing at someone who is scummy.

Ash has only made 3 posts total, so you can't read a whole lot out of tha

And how many has lazarus made: 4. Somehow I don't think this would count as a criteria to consider laz more scummy either.

So, what happened to the Fernando wagon?

I'm voting for who I think is scum.

[Kmd4390]

Well, hello! KMD told me it was a pro-town thing to do by voting after an intimate, drawn out conversation one night. After suggesting I vote for someone I FoS'd, I took his word and voted for one of my suspects. KMD paid me 1 million dolla, so I kept my word and voted for Fernie.

intimate?

Motherphucker! You were another one of the hecklers who kept wanting me to vote based on who I thought deserved it.. and you paid me to vote for Fernando, so.. the phuck???

Fernando was the best wagon at the time. This one has much more potential IMO.

I later unFoS'd dvdkid

at the same time

I FoS'd Lazaur, which was well

before

I voted for Laz. Therefore, Laz's shyness/staying in the shadows made me suspect him more than I would suspect the 3-post wonder (Ash).

So, what happened to the Fernando wagon?

Your suspicions sound very...calculated.

So, what happened to the Fernando wagon?

We found a better one.

[Kise]

@VP - Read Ash & Laz's posts in ISO. Ash was around during the RVS, then disappeared after 3 non-sensical posts that target the player he voted against (and Kevin). Laz came after (probably during) RVS, so all of his comments had a bit more of a serious-tone to them.. However, Laz adds no substance in the post-RVS-stage and only supports ideas from others, as a way to suggest which lynches are good choices. He is not speaking independently and only waiting for wagons to develop (hence why he said he was going for either Zaz or KMD's wagon, then later he mocked Fernando). He refuses to be opinionated because he knows it will draw attention from any player if he mentions their name, so this is a decent reason to believe him to be mafia.

As for everyone else who hasn't said much: Well, yes, VP, there are plenty of other quiet players who could fit the bill of shy-mafia-guy, but look at Scott/Furry. I'm not going to call an

inactive

player scumbag until they

say something scummy

, thus give me a reason to suspect them.

KMD, I hope you know your purchase is non-refundable.