Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[MafiaMann]

Ok i understand now.

Assuming we have multiple factions though should that change how we scum hunt?

[ckool5000]

Oh boy... I think I just gave Mastin more ammo for his next posts,

lol

. I bet it'll be a thick read.

To me, saying "lol" in your first two sentences when there wasn't a joke in the previous is a slight scum-tell, since it sub-consciously lures the town into believing that you're like them or something like that...

I've always wanted to point that out in someone's post, but never got a chance to until now.

[ckool5000]

Assuming we have multiple factions though should that change how we scum hunt?

We lynch whoever's scummiest ... Unless someone has a better idea.

[ckool5000]

I should really stop talking for right now. Each post makes me look more like an idiot.

[MafiaMann]

Assuming we have multiple factions though should that change how we scum hunt?

We lynch whoever's scummiest ... Unless someone has a better idea.

Sounds pretty solid I also believe somewhat in your early post about the lol comment youve made. A lot of scum throw in the lol and use the words and we but townies do that to so thats a weak tell if any at all.

[ckool5000]

2 things:
1. Yeah, it's a pretty weak tell, but it's been used successfully before to find scum.
2. Happy scumday!

[ckool5000]

Sorry, I gotta go to the store now.

[ZazieR]

There's so much activity going on

Yea. This time people really can blame me and only me (...until Zaz logs on. ).

roflcopter is pressing for a lynch quite hard.

From what I understand, this is typical roflcopter stuff.

*Raises hand*
Here.
High five Mastin for keeping the activity high, while I was offline

And yeah, that''s Rofl for you

[Kublai Khan]

@Empking's Alt (112): Oh, okay.

@MafiaMann (116): Mastin listed you as a member of Mafia A and you weren't sure if he was completely joking? I took Mastin's opening post as a joke calling out and ribbing people he had a history and was familiar with. The fact that you aren't someone Mastin knows is now making me say hmmm.

Also: You're making some pretty reaching arguments which seem to betray a deeper knowledge of the game and it's setup than I've got. All I know is that there are 3 kills. Since the flavor is pretty minimal, the fact that the Cerulean Mafia has a name would strongly indicate that there are at least 2 mafia groups. The third kill could be a serial killer, a vigilante, or a third mafia group. The listed causes of death (Slaughtered/Murdered/Annihilated) give us no hints as to which group did what.

These are the bare basic facts. Your wild speculation about multiple mafia doctors is unhelpful and has been noted.

@ckool5000 (117): How do you know a mafioso did it? Are you lamenting the loss of Konowa? Why aren't you rejoicing that we have a lucky vig?

As for why specific people were killed, who knows? For all we know they could have just loaded the player list in the random.org list randomizer and went with the top pick. Speculating on Night 0 kill choices is nothing but a useless WIFOM venture. And MafiaMann & ckool5000 are both scummy for engaging in it.

And for Mod's sake, ckool5000, are you seriously following someone else's list of wiki scum & town tells while you're playing in a game with that same person? WTF?

[ZazieR]

And in case anyone asks, I voted for Rotten because of his minimal post. There's so much activity going on, but he doesn't care to comment on it at all

Don''t like this vote. Rotten had not given any sign that he read the posts when he first posted, while fallen angel had. So I want to hear why Rotten and not fallen angel.

[BloodCovenent]

will post after work.

[ZazieR]

I find roflcopters constant strait up blaming Mastin being scum kinda scummy. Though I have to admit, I believe he brings up a few valid points.

@Kublai:I don't know for sure, but perhaps his acting different is because that was a newbie game. I can already tell how different newbie games are from large games in the first two pages.

I'm gonna assume that rvs is over for a fact, so I hope the complete and total randomness dies down a bit. Though with Mastin and Zazie around....

Can you elaborate on the Rofl-part?
And why no vote for either one of them?

[ckool5000]

@ckool5000 (117): How do you know a mafioso did it? Are you lamenting the loss of Konowa? Why aren't you rejoicing that we have a lucky vig?

As for why specific people were killed, who knows? For all we know they could have just loaded the player list in the random.org list randomizer and went with the top pick. Speculating on Night 0 kill choices is nothing but a useless WIFOM venture. And MafiaMann & ckool5000 are both scummy for engaging in it.

And for Mod's sake, ckool5000, are you seriously following someone else's list of wiki scum & town tells while you're playing in a game with that same person? WTF?

WTF Kublai? I said specifically that I DOUBTED that a second mafia killed Konowa. You're obviously not paying attention. I can't really call this a strawman because you're not trying to make what I say weaker, you're trying to make it seem like I said the opposite of what I said!

And how is it WIFOM? The mafia would want to keep an easily lynchable person in the game. Case closed.

And lastly, I was just

pointing out

that MafiaMann was sticking to what he said about a second mafia killing Konowa until I showed him otherwise

could

show that he's a townie.

I guess I was right in post 128: The more I post, the more I look like an idiot . (If you don't believe me about that, ask Faraday about my first game...)

[fallen angel]

I will post soon, sorry for any delays.

[ckool5000]

And as far as "rejoicing", here's my first post:

Whoa! 5 pages already? Man! I'll read through them all... when I can...

But first of all, yay! A mafia doctor (or whatever it is) has been eliminated!

[ZazieR]

Wow. Thanks for posting ckool.

Vote Kublai

Obv scumslip in the quote from him that ckool just posted. Will comment more when I get at that post.

EDIT: Post 137 is the post I''m talking about.

[ZazieR]

Well, here are my thoughts so far- Mastin is being, well, Mastin. I'd be more worried if he acted sane. Roflcopter seems a bit scummy to me for tunneling Mastin with no real reason. Kise's voting Johnny seems really weird to me. Why him, out of all the other people who haven't posted? Out of the 21 still alive, haven't only about 7 or so posted?

Unvote, Vote Kise

.

Wow...
Just wow...
And I called Kise''s vote bad...

[Namttam]

Finally caught up. I was afraid Mastin would come back and start posting again before I finished.

Mastin's wall of text annoys me to no end but there is nothing inherently scummy about it. Since it is his MO it is a null tell. At least it has sparked discussion rather quickly. Dissecting his posts, it is mostly fluff but there is some scum hunting buried in there. I'll consider him pro-town for now.

rolfcopter is tunneling. I have no problem with this. I do have a problem with his citing of single cases to prove his points on tunneling and scum calling. Furthermore, there are differing viewpoints on the miller roleclaim so there is no reason to quash the debate. Anytime players want to make a stand on a topic provides information for the town to work with. Leaning scum.

Hayker opens by committing and pointing out his own scumtell. He takes issue with rolf's quick push from RVS even while complimenting rolf's reasoning. RVS is necessary to spark discussion but with Mastin around RVS doesn't need to be too long. There was already plenty to comment on. This is no reason to believe a player to be scum and Hayker should move on. He as made enough posts without moving beyond this initial issue and for that I

Vote: Hayker

.

Working my way forward, more coming.

[ZazieR]

And Hayker continues to add totally nothing except for opinions that are easy to back-track.
Good second choice.

[ZazieR]

Mastin, since when are you my alt

[ZazieR]

I'm saying your attack on Mastin is scummy because it started on the first post of the second stage. The RVS didn't even seem over at that point, yet you just claimed it was.

So what in the 18 posts after this post ended the RVS to you and why?

[Namttam]

Johnny Rotten's last post is a terrible one. Advocating the lynch of a player you don't think is scum is wrong. Furthermore, he holds off on voting on it because he wants to hear how others feel is fear of commitment, which both interferes with forming lasting relationships and is a scum tell.

Achilles is likely going to be lurking.

MafiaMann is having a ScumDay! But in addition to that he seems preoccupied with theorizing about the game setup. May try to active lurk. His response to ckool's "lol" tell and his hesitance to get involved with scum hunting support this.

[Kublai Khan]

@ckool5000: Aw, crap. You're right. I totally read the opposite of what you said and may have confused you with MafiaMann since you two were doing intertwining posts. My bad. Suspicion withdrawn.

Although I'll stick by my conviction that speculation on why certain Night 0 kills were chosen isn't helpful overall. And you shouldn't trust Mastin's tells.

@ZazieR: Way to look for convenient bandwagons to hop on.

[ZazieR]

Regarding post 59 (Rofl):
I keep it at ''lynch him if he''s scummy. If he''s not, don''t.''

[ZazieR]

@ZazieR: Way to look for convenient bandwagons to hop on.

Elaborate.