The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Devestation]

"this guy" needs to answer my question on page 51.

[Nyx]

...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.

Whoah, whoah whoah!

Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.

So nobody will have either going into N2.

I don't mind being protected for lets say it blows up in my face without killing anyone. I don't like you being so against me being protected.

Naomi seriously ? A cop not doing his duty ? There is no explanation possible for this blasphemy.

Vote:Naomi

He is going to protect you during the DAY?

If you wan't I'll shoot the gun. I don't fear it.

I want to be very clear -- delaying the vig beyond today is the work of scum. Is that what you two are on about?

Hell no. Delaying the vig would be suicide since either one of us would be a likely target for a nightkill.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok good.

[Amished]

Because I asked whether or not (and posted before) that my protections work on flat out killing mechanisms during the day. I specifically asked if it protected dayvigs (yes) and if it had any effect on lynching (like raising # of votes needed or prevent it) (no).

I send in during the night, but whoever I protect is protected throughout the night and the next day.

[populartajo]

We are delaying this day unncessarily when some havent even posted.

Mod, please prod: Pyro, ShadowKnightr, hoihum, nuevavuda, alabaska, xtoxm,

[Lamont_Cranston]

Nueva Vida has been replaced by Rockta.

[Pablo Molinero]

Yeah, having about 1/3 of the total being lurkers is kinda hurting the game. Prods plz.

[Pablo Molinero]

Question: In your experience, is a lurker lynch viable or silly for those who need to be replaced/prodded?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Replacements are always better. But those that just make a post every once in awhile with no content *cough* Shadow Knight *cough* to

avoid

replacement -- those are the juicy ones.

[Knight of Cydonia]

All requested prods have been put out, except for hohum, who has reached the prod limit and will be replaced. Advertise, and especially point out the fact that it's not going to be a long-term commitment.

[Sironigous]

Advertise, and especially point out the fact that it's not going to be a long-term commitment.

This scares me. lol.

[zwetschenwasser]

Ami's new addition to his claim is confusing me...

[Amished]

New addition? I protect at night and that protection lasts until the start of the next night. No effect on lynches, but kills from maf, vig, sk, other (items) are prevented.

[zwetschenwasser]

That was your original claim?

[Setael]

"this guy" needs to answer my question on page 51.

is "this guy" me? that's a first...

So your question was this I take it:

Setael: Why say I should be vigged without placing a vig-vote thingy? It's not particularly suspicious to me, but why anyway?

First, if it's not suspicious, why ask about it?
Second, if it wasn't suspicious in the first place, why point back at it when I don't answer it?
Third, is there some rule I don't know about that you have to place a "vig-vote thingy?"

New addition? I protect at night and that protection lasts until the start of the next night. No effect on lynches, but kills from maf, vig, sk, other (items) are prevented.

Something is wrong with your claim. If the protection lasts until the start of the next night, how does it not apply to lynches, which happen BEFORE the next night starts.

Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?

I'm not saying start a wagon on Amished. I'm just saying his claim is fishy and I'm not considering him confirmed town by any means.

[Amished]

Because I asked the mod if it affected lynches and he said no. It applies to vig/sk/scum/item kills until the start of the next night.

Set: You're forgetting (or not considering) that this is a theme game which might be a little odd. As the "gatekeeper", I deliver people to when they're supposed to live/die just like in the games. In the games, I delivered myself to my own suicide for christ's sake.

As for balance sake, I've covered how I can't protect as many people as I do now later on in the game; so it's a part time thing, and I'm guessing KoC didn't expect me to be out in the open. If you're really that worried about how my role works, by all means vote to use the vig on Naomi (or hohum, as he's living another day because of me) and then try to lynch them. Guarantee that'll work out like I said it will.

@Zwet: Pretty sure I covered all of that in my original claim. If I missed the vig possibility, I didn't really think about any dayvig items especially after the first item made hohum die after a number of days, and then 2nd (now admittedly) didn't do a damn thing.

[Devestation]

FoS: Setael

You dodged the question with a whole load of questions of your own. This will turn into a vote if you don't answer it next post.

I'm asking because I'm interested. I'm pointing back at it because I'm still interested and now slightly irritated that I've been outright ignored, and I find it illogical to say that "so and so should be vigged" but you don't leave an official statement as such.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?

This could be scum ploy to not RB him.

I'm not saying start a wagon on Amished. I'm just saying his claim is fishy and I'm not considering him confirmed town by any means.

I don't want to believe anything he or Naomi have said but how do we explain how Ho is living now 4 days instead of 3?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Third, is there some rule I don't know about that you have to place a "vig-vote thingy?"

No but we need to figure out who to vig and in a timely manner and posting our vig votes is the best way right?

[Pablo Molinero]

Especially without a scum roleblocker?

Um, and how the hell do you know what the scum do/don't have? Slip much?

Heavy FoS: Setael

[Rockatansky]

As problematic as Naomi's claim may be, why is she being wagoned when she's claimed power villa and hasn't been counter-claimed or peeked nor recanted her claim?

I'm also glad to see some people finally questioning Amished's claim. As loathe as I am to speculate on roles, a self-protecting doc seems so overpowered as to be implausible. I think Amished's claim is less believable than Naomi's. However, neither of them should be wagoned yet.

Of course I see this ending like weird claims usually do, with one or both of them living to LYLO and then saying "lulz, I was just kidding" and wondering why they have to be lynched.

/soapbox

As for today,

vote lamont

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Rock:

Just to clarify, your vig vote is Devastation?

[Rockatansky]

@Rock:

Just to clarify, your vig vote is Devastation?

What is the point of this? I have < 10 posts so far. It would take 5 seconds to check and see that I have not in fact voted anyone to be vigged.

While we're on the subject, the mod stated

This is the first randomised item drop of the game. Items can be publicly taken only. First come, first served. Please remember that day-drop items must be used THAT DAY, or not at all.

Why in the world are people acting like Lamont still has the shotgun shell? Because he said so? If there was some sort of confirmation in thread (other than Lamont's word) the the shotgun shell still can be used, I apologize for missing it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Give shell to Nyx

Happy? And while you're at it you can unvote me too.

[Amished]

...... Because the role (right now) is overpowered? I've already stated that it will become much less effective later on (reality shift) making it much less powerful. (Normal) docs never out themselves this early, and me being able to protect myself allowed me to view that as an alternative.

How about this: As long as the reality shift doesn't happen during the day today, I'll protect hohum (or replacement) again. With this statement, anybody else that (theorectically, if I'm lying) could elongate life or protect them (or mod decision [sarcasm]) would be stupid to do so as it's out me as a liar, right? As he's still our only confirmed innocent that's still around, I don't have a problem protecting him. Then tomorrow, when he has another day added to his total; would you be able to believe me then?

Finally, while scum not roleblocking a claimed powerrole being stupid beyond belief easily leads to the conclusion that they do not have a roleblocker; I find the inconsistency in Set's stance interesting as well. He doesn't believe the claim, but to point to the scum "not having a roleblocker" as his main reason for not believing my claim doesn't follow that scum could easily have something else to counterbalance me. Or even that perhaps I'm one of very few power roles so having 1 doc and not much else would still be balanced. To bring that up as one of your main reasons but not examine the whole possible scenario is a slip in my mind, and confirmation that I won't be roleblocked.

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Vote: Setael