Newbie 785 - Game Over

[The Corporation]

Oh dear god...

The whole "i'm town, no i am" thing is confusing me.

Seriously though, if there is a one or the other situation, the both of you's are making it hard to win for either side...

bleh.

To totally break it down.

373 spells out pretty clearly why Phily has been scum over the whole game IMO. Phily hasn't refuted any of it. And is voting for qwints without any logical argument (although that didn't stop him with Zito) outside of something he is equally culpable.

Phily's scumminess is based in fact and actions (spelled out in 373). In return he is bringing threats, ultimatums and resorted to simply calling people scum to save his own skin.

A qwints lynch wouldn't be the end of the world as he is likely scum... but it is an unnecessary risk. Lynching him would deny us the information we need that would help us know for sure who is Phily's partner.

[PhilyEc]

Still seeing no vote.

[The Corporation]

If phyl would be scum, who would be his partner????

phyl and qwints can not be partners, since phyl put him at L-1 in a 5 players game.

Not if Phily is trying to bus Qwints.

What do you mean bus??

It's impossible that phyl and qwints are a scum couple.

It's very possible they are.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bussing

Their L-1 and hammer votes make them very obvious targets today, and an obvious scumpair. They likely discussed last night about one of them leading a lynch on the other one. By leading the lynch and the other turning up scum - the remaining town would then see the remaining scum as a town hero and not vote for them the next day... leading to a mafia win tomorrow. Or so the idea goes.

I don't know if I am wasting my breathe here or not as there is a chance you are playing dumb and are actually Phily's partner...

[The Corporation]

Am I meant to be argueing with scum on lylo when it'll just confuse town? No. I'm not entering an arguement with you. You've admited you think Qwints is scum SO VOTE FOR HIM.

Same goes to the others. This is all that must happen today for town win to be possible. Want me to say this again in my next post? Its all you're going to get outta me scum.

Again for the third time now... I am 99.99% sure you are scum and 70% sure qwints is. How do I justify picking something I'm sure of over something that could backfire 3/10 times, and I could be almost certain of following his actions today?

If you think I'm scum over Qwints then you saaaaaaawk. He fucking hammered Zito instantaneously after me and has been lurking like hell this entire game.

Vote him or fail at scumhunting =-=

I think you are scum over Qwints due to the simple mechanics of voting in the game... oh and the 17 pages of scumminess I spelled out in 373.

Ultimatums aye? Pure desperate scum.

But you put him at L-1 with a 4 word post and gave qwints the opportunity.

Because he looked like overconfident scum. Trying to grandstand after a mislynch is what he did. I went on to do the same thing ironically and got leapt on.

Vote Qwints now or fail!

Ok, just so I get your logic right the hammer gets 100% credit for the result of a lynch? Do I get a free town pass for not being involved? Do you get absolutely no scum marks for giving a totally unwarranted L-1? Sounds like selective reasoning to me.

[falkomagno]

If that's true...why do you hesitate killing qwints?? go. Hammer him and tomorrow talk about bus.

But you know that there is not a chance that such a thing happend. You don't vote for qwints because is your scum buddy. Because right now mafia is owning, with 2 / 5 votes, just needing a clueless town voting for another town to win the game. Why in that possition mafia would think to kill one of them??...it's enough. I know that you never never would think in vote qwints....

Gadjet, is in your hands in this last opportunity. choose good and win, or choose wrong and lose

[PhilyEc]

How bout we wait for Gadget on a verdict ^-^ Like I siad, I'm not going to let you turn this into a debate where the winner of the debate automatically becomes scum. Me and Falko agree. You and Qwints WILL agree if he gets back before Gadget does.

Lets wait yeah ^-^ or else you can vote for 'the other scum' oh wait, because I've been agreed with by a town member now that persons on your scum list too. Dude, die already. Vote now.

[The Corporation]

If that's true...why do you hesitate killing qwints?? go. Hammer him and tomorrow talk about bus.

But you know that there is not a chance that such a thing happend. You don't vote for qwints because is your scum buddy. Because right now mafia is owning, with 2 / 5 votes, just needing a clueless town voting for another town to win the game. Why in that possition mafia would think to kill one of them??...it's enough. I know that you never never would think in vote qwints....

Gadjet, is in your hands in this last opportunity. choose good and win, or choose wrong and lose

Have you been reading my posts? The simple mechanics of the game mean either Phily or I is scum. I am 100% confident that Phily is knowing my innocence. I am hypothesizing, not saying that Qwints is his scumbuddy. As I have said all along - it is very possible you are the buddy. I'm not sure whether you are buying Phily's case because he friended you way back in D1 or whether you are his buddy - but you final vote here will be obvious.

Agree all in Gadgets hands. No rush either - for someone who got burned by a quicklynch last time he seems mighty keen to have at it again.

[The Corporation]

How bout we wait for Gadget on a verdict ^-^ Like I siad, I'm not going to let you turn this into a debate where the winner of the debate automatically becomes scum. Me and Falko agree. You and Qwints WILL agree if he gets back before Gadget does.

Lets wait yeah ^-^ or else you can vote for 'the other scum' oh wait, because I've been agreed with by a town member now that persons on your scum list too. Dude, die already. Vote now.

What kind of debate would it be if the winner became scum? We would both be trying to lose in that case!

Again there is no debate, I have made a compelling case to why you are scum - you have replied with threats, ultimatums and rushing tactics. If scum wins on this it will be pretty pathetic.

[PhilyEc]

Hey, I'm just very sure Gadget will know what to do, I know he'll make the safe vote and go for Qwints, then take care of you the next day when he sees how you're the only one that opposes the idea.

[The Corporation]

Hey, I'm just very sure Gadget will know what to do, I know he'll make the safe vote and go for Qwints, then take care of you the next day when he sees how you're the only one that opposes the idea.

Based on that logic the only person safe in his mind should be me because I wasn't involved in the Zito debacle. But don't let

another

hypocrisy get in your way.

[PhilyEc]

Quiet Scum! Gadget is the post I care about! You

will

die tomorrow. >;D

[GadgetArcrep]

Again, I repeat the idea that if a town has voted, both scum would jump on him by now.

Corps lack of voting and Phily and Falko's pushing to make my vote is kinda suspicious.

But sigh... Who exactly to vote for is a tough one, I'm willing to flip flop again, and say that I could vote on falk or Phil, Buuuuut that would require qwints activity in order to make a vote.

a corp vote can be jumped on, a vote for qwints could be a definate loss, and a vote for myself can be jumped on.

Its Pretty much lose lose lose here...

I'm in a position where any choice can be capitalised, hence the "last opportunity"

I should just vote qwints because I cant be fucked arguing, but that selfish.

I still hold out my vote, if qwints doesnt come out soon, I may hammer to end it...

[GadgetArcrep]

I'm just gonna check Qwints post dates on other pages...

It might just shed some light on wether or not he is lurking...

[GadgetArcrep]

Previous post by qwints, before the one he did yesterday.

5 days before.

Hmm... This is intriguing.

[The Corporation]

Previous post by qwints, before the one he did yesterday.

5 days before.

Hmm... This is intriguing.

Seems a nulltell given most of those days were Night 2, right?

[GadgetArcrep]

this 5 days before was him modding another game.

its a few more days before that he posted in ours.

[The Corporation]

Again, I repeat the idea that if a town has voted, both scum would jump on him by now.

Corps lack of voting

and Phily and Falko's pushing to make my vote is kinda suspicious.

But sigh... Who exactly to vote for is a tough one, I'm willing to flip flop again, and say that I could vote on falk or Phil, Buuuuut that would require qwints activity in order to make a vote.

a corp vote can be jumped on, a vote for qwints could be a definate loss, and a vote for myself can be jumped on.

Its Pretty much lose lose lose here...

I'm in a position where any choice can be capitalised, hence the "last opportunity"

I should just vote qwints because I cant be fucked arguing, but that selfish.

I still hold out my vote, if qwints doesnt come out soon, I may hammer to end it...

Lack of voting? Are you referring to my non lynch on Zito or me not voting today - because I did in 350. Also take a note the situation in which I voted for PhilyEC. He had made it obvious he was going to vote you (and did a mere handful of posts later did). If I am scum, and qwints is my partner why wouldn't I jumped on that and rammed you with quick lynch? That makes no sense?!

I totally get your frustration. There is no rush here though we have three - the time pressure is the construct of scum looking for a potential quick lynch. Look how Phily came out all guns blazing to lynch you (even after the Zito affair), now qwints and promising a quick lynch of me tommorrow.

Let's assume Phily is town. He put Zito at L-1. Got burned fair enough. But then came out and put you at L-2 today, with two scum outstanding to hammer you simultaneously within the first RL day without asking so much as a question telling people you are the "natural" choice. Does that make sense? Phily is either scum or the worst town of all time. He doesn't seem to be totally clueless.

[GadgetArcrep]

No no, corp, i just found that you didnt bandwagon qwints, it was a statement on how you looked town because of that.

if you wer scum, you would of gone for it by now.

It was an error in typing.

[GadgetArcrep]

What I tried to type was

Corps lack of voting signifies that he isnt willing to quickynch, whereas and Phily and Falko's pushing to make my vote is kinda suspicious.

Sorry for the confusion.

I am starting to reconsider unvoting.

[GadgetArcrep]

Its a case of I accidentally half the sentence.

Sorry for yet another triple post.

[PhilyEc]

Let's assume Phily is town. He put Zito at L-1. Got burned fair enough. But then came out and put you at L-2 today, with two scum outstanding to hammer you simultaneously within the first RL day without asking so much as a question telling people you are the "natural" choice. Does that make sense? Phily is either scum or the worst town of all time. He doesn't seem to be totally clueless.

You know full well that I had no idea we were in lylo. I didnt even know which game this was -.- Exams have preoccupied my mind. I ain't scum, and this is why its obvious your partner is Qwints.

No no, corp, i just found that you didnt bandwagon qwints, it was a statement on how you looked town because of that.

if you wer scum, you would of gone for it by now.

Obviously they're partners. He pushes that idea away by stating Qwints is my partner but remains adamant on not lynching him when I present that chance, instead he retreats and says Falko is my partner. Corp is defending a crumbling castle of defense here and Qwints aint there to help.

Lynch this lurking scum, next day it'll be obvious Corp was last scum.

[GadgetArcrep]

*sigh...* I really have no choice but to end this day/game.

Qwints is... not going to be here for a while... i think.

and I cant be bothered waiting...

Good Game Guys.

Vote: ...

Wait.

how can you be so sure he is scum, phily.

Then again, it does take 3 to vote, qwints has yet to vote, and if he was scum, then he would vote on Phily.

*Sigh*

Vote: Qwints

If this ultimately loses the game, I cant be fucked with it...

*shakes hands with everyone*

[GadgetArcrep]

Welcome to twilight, possibly last day.

[The Corporation]

Well Phily hasn't posted a gloating post...

[The Corporation]

By the way Gadget, don't feel too harshly about the vote. But jeez I'm just left in the incredibly frustrating position of explaining to clueless townie falko the concept of a bus. The blood of this on falko for being so naive.