The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vote Count

Naomi_Saotome: 3 (Lamont_Cranston, Pyromaniac, Pablo Molinero)
Lamont_Cranston: 1 (Naomi_Saotome)
Devestation: 1 (Amished)

[Lamont_Cranston]

So... What if we let Naomi live another day for the cop investigation?
There is (supposedly) no way for her to be killed this night, so we do get that investigation.

Unvote

If this does go through, then we take a step forward on town information.

Comments please.

FoS Sironi

Confirm Vig Sironi

Confirm vote Naomi

[Sironigous]

That's not a comment.

[Pablo Molinero]

Lamont

This sounded so like an informed scum trying to gain "I'm hip on this game & I'm townie" points.

So I'm not allowed to use my prior knowledge of the theme of the game we're playing? This is laughably bad, and you know it.

Below is "I wuv Naomi"

More like: questioning Lamont's conviction, determination, and thought process. I wasn't quite up to speed, but the quotes from Naomi where you made that certain attack were not that conclusive IMO. Caution should not fall by the wayside.

Now I het Naomi

Damn right, after I read her in more detail and saw some of her other posts, her story did look awfully sketch.

However, in light of recent developments, Sironigous does bring up a valid point about the investigation result. Naomi MUST use it tonight so we can move forwards.

FoS Sironi
Confirm Vig Sironi
Confirm vote Naomi

Nice overreaction, too, Lamont. You're great at that. Whether we believe her or not, if she is a one-shot cop, her result will be confirmed in some way by her death/roleflip. More information, yeah?

Unvote

Also, it isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility for a PR to forget their PR. I've seen it happen before (ongoing game, all I can say).

[Naomi_Saotome]

I will be using it tonight, provided I'm not lynched before then...
what I want to know is...
Do I investigate my own pick?
OR
Does everyone in the town want to pick?

[Stephoscope]

I will be using it tonight, provided I'm not lynched before then...
what I want to know is...
Do I investigate my own pick?
OR
Does everyone in the town want to pick?

And I'll throw out a related question:

If Naomi's roleclaim is legitimate, is it best to try and catch a scum with her investigation, or try and clear a helpful townie who may then stay protected?

[Pablo Molinero]

Catch scum, for sure. If we *try* to clear a townie as confirmed, they'll likely end up dead within the next day or two.

[zwetschenwasser]

AHAHAHAHA!!! Caught fakeclaiming scum ftw!

Unvote; Vote: Naomi

[Sironigous]

AHAHAHAHA!!! Caught fakeclaiming scum ftw!

Unvote; Vote: Naomi

Care to elaborate?

Ha.

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TBH I think Naomi should choose who she investigates.

Then the next day she'll tell us why.

I figure that'd give the most insight rather than having the town do it.

[zwetschenwasser]

Isn't it obvious?

[Sironigous]

er... Based on something new or when she first claimed?

I don't see anything that changed from that point.

[Nyx]

...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.

Whoah, whoah whoah!

Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.

So nobody will have either going into N2.

I don't mind being protected for lets say it blows up in my face without killing anyone. I don't like you being so against me being protected.

Naomi seriously ? A cop not doing his duty ? There is no explanation possible for this blasphemy.

Vote:Naomi

[populartajo]

Still catching up but my first reasoning regarding Naomi is that :

a)she is what she claims and even I have no idea of the flavor, some comments in thread tell me that Trillby is a big "protown" role. Correct me if Im wrong.

b)she is scum or third party that wants to out the real Trillby for whatever reasons (kill an important tole or win conditions or such).

Still pondering which is more likely and more importantly, still pondering if we finally decide his lynch, if today its the optymal day.

[populartajo]

...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.

Whoah, whoah whoah!

Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.

So nobody will have either going into N2.

I don't mind being protected for lets say it blows up in my face without killing anyone. I don't like you being so against me being protected.

Naomi seriously ? A cop not doing his duty ? There is no explanation possible for this blasphemy.

Vote:Naomi

Err, IIRC, she claimed one shot cop. What do you mean with his duty?

[Nyx]

...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.

Whoah, whoah whoah!

Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.

So nobody will have either going into N2.

I don't mind being protected for lets say it blows up in my face without killing anyone. I don't like you being so against me being protected.

Naomi seriously ? A cop not doing his duty ? There is no explanation possible for this blasphemy.

Vote:Naomi

Err, IIRC, she claimed one shot cop. What do you mean with his duty?

Slap me in the face please kthx.

Unvote

That's what you get for replying when you slept 1 hour learning for exams.

[Nyx]

To elaborate on that. I forgot she claimed 1 shot.

[zwetschenwasser]

er... Based on something new or when she first claimed?

I don't see anything that changed from that point.

Did you read her first post of day two? It's the most damning thing ever written on the face of the earth.

[Lamont_Cranston]

...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.

Whoah, whoah whoah!

Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.

So nobody will have either going into N2.

I don't mind being protected for lets say it blows up in my face without killing anyone. I don't like you being so against me being protected.

Naomi seriously ? A cop not doing his duty ? There is no explanation possible for this blasphemy.

Vote:Naomi

He is going to protect you during the DAY?

If you wan't I'll shoot the gun. I don't fear it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.

Whoah, whoah whoah!

Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.

So nobody will have either going into N2.

I don't mind being protected for lets say it blows up in my face without killing anyone. I don't like you being so against me being protected.

Naomi seriously ? A cop not doing his duty ? There is no explanation possible for this blasphemy.

Vote:Naomi

He is going to protect you during the DAY?

If you wan't I'll shoot the gun. I don't fear it.

I want to be very clear -- delaying the vig beyond today is the work of scum. Is that what you two are on about?

[Sironigous]

Even though I'm not completely part of it...

I say...
YES DAY VIG
NO LYNCH NAOMI.

It's only a matter of lynch Naomi now or later if she's scum.

[Amished]

I'm saying that whoever I protect during the night is also protected from kills during the day. If we decided to vig Naomi today, it wouldn't work as I protected her last night. You can test it if you want, but if it works I'm replacing out as that's not what KoC told me would happen. If we decided to lynch, I can protect Nyx, conserving the shotgun and potentially saving against a "backfire" shotgun that would kill whoever fired it cause he would then be protected during the day. I also would not protect Naomi (for obvious reasons) and she could then be dayvigged if necessary and still alive.

We can still lynch her (which thinking about 1287 by Tajo; specifically:

b)she is scum or third party that wants to out the real Trillby for whatever reasons (kill an important tole or win conditions or such).

makes sense, if Trilby dies, I wouldn't doubt that the reality shift happens. I got the feeling that it'd happen during the day just due to KoC saying that the shift would be pretty obvious due to the narration in the game, but narration can certainly happen in lynch/daystart posts as well.

To vig somebody else today, we all need to find a 2nd suspect (if you're already voting for Naomi) or a first suspect to vig before lynch. What's frustrating for me is that I know I can protect the real Trilby if somebody counterclaims, but that either one doesn't exist (lending to the fact that Naomi really is Trilby) or doesn't trust me.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I am against vigging Naomi because I believe she is protected. I have begrudgingly believed it since you announced it.

[Amished]

I thought so, which is why I don't see why we aren't talking about looking at another person to vig if we do want to use it today. Obviously my vote lies where I think a vig should go as 1 vote isn't going to cause any pressure.

[Setael]

@amished - I'm still confused. If you protected naomi from day kill today how does that apply to a day vig but not a lynch?

I also don't understand what you're saying about Nyx. Do you send in protects during the day or just at night?

[Lamont_Cranston]

^^^ I like this guy.