Open 147: Vengeful 5P - Game Over before 792

[zwetschenwasser]

My ancient tallying scroll:

ODDin(0)
Paradoxombie(0)
Khamisa(0)

[Khamisa]

Well, that list was generated before charter and empking's death. With Empking's reveal, I can now see connections that weren't their before, and therefore, positions changed.

[ODDin]

Yet you suspected para. Why did you suspect him back then? What happened to these suspicions now?

[Paradoxombie]

It's not that I completely disregarded empking. I was just more inclined to regard his behaviour as a null-tell due to his meta, as reported by charter.

I felt the same way, and yet I still saw him as worthy of suspicion. You're talking about it as if you needed a reason to suspect him. There's only 5 players in the game and you barely deal with one beyond a random vote. You mention him constantly in your arguments against charter, but never seem interested after the whole meta discussion. It's like you got a reason to not suspect empking and sat on it. You were disregarding.

Also, Khamisa, para raised an actually valid point: on your list of suspects back then, para was right after empking. What happened now? What caused you to change your mind?

I don't like this at all. As both Khamisa and I have pointed out, we've just done re-reads. 2/3s of our mystery is suddenly solved and we gained a ton of info from day 1 and you are suspicious of me and khamisa for changing our thinking? Again this seems more in line with scum behavior, because their thinking doesn't need to evolve based on information.

[ODDin]

I'm not suspicious of you for changing your thinking per se. Of you I'm suspicious for chaning your thinking in a very specific way with a very specific timing.
As for Khamisa, I'm not accusing her, I'm asking her a question that I want answered. Putting someone as second scummiest, even among 4 players available, means something IMO. I'm not saying it's suspicious that this list has changed. I just want to know what she now thinks of you - if you were second on her list, she must've had some reason to suspect you more than others. I just want to know what happened to this reason.

[zwetschenwasser]

Deadline in four hours.

[ODDin]

What?! Are you fucking kidding? This is ridiculous. A deadline should be announced at least a week in advance, all this deadline can do is squeeze out premature votes.

[Khamisa]

ODDin: Before, Para was flipping votes frequently, and you looked very pro-town in the standpoint that you did not want to vote Empking due to his meta. Now that we know differently, we can see that Para was uncertain, not opportunistic, and it appears that you were trying to make up reasons to not vote Empking.

[ODDin]

I agree that this may colour me in a certain unfavourable light - all I can say is that if you acknowledge the reason behind me not voting empking back then and think it was a pro-town thing to do, you should understand the possibilty that this is actually what I did and I made a mistake. (Or, rather, was unlucky; I still think my course of action was reasonable in light of what I knew.)
However, why do you think para wasn't opportunistic? Please notice that he did, eventually, vote for charter, a townie. What makes his play look less opportunistic to you now?

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm kidding.

[Khamisa]

He voted charter at first, which definitely looked like a good wagon for scum to be on, then switched to Empking, which Para probably knew that you weren't going to vote on and was clueless about my intentions. The final flip back to charter was probably the most opportunistic thing he's done.

[ODDin]

Khamisa - so you agree that para's actions can be interpreted as pretty opportunistic. And once again, you said yourself that my actions can well be seen as being prudent. So why do you think I'm more suspicious than para?

[zwetschenwasser]

Cmon, people. A little more activity please.

[Paradoxombie]

Ultimately I have to go with ODDin for my vote. I've already gone over some of my reasons for suspecting you. I am still suspicious of Khamisa, but I think if she was scum she would've gone after me today along with you, I mean after charter's declaration and your argument it'd be the natural choice. I hadn't mentioned much suspicion of you, ODDin, yesterday so for Khamisa to go after you wouldn't be the best choice as scum.

Both me and ODDin seem to prefer each other's lynches at this point. If neither of us is scum then we are going to lose.

vote: ODDin

[ODDin]

Well, I guess I have nothing else to do but

vote: para

. Khamisa, I hope you'll be making the right choice here.

[Khamisa]

Oh, I hate this WIFOM they call endgame.

Seeing how there hasn't been anything further to really change my persuasion, I'm going to stick with my current suspicions and

Vote: ODDin

. The way you didn't suspect Empking yesterday bugs me. It would have been clever if it would've worked.

*crosses fingers and hopes Para isn't playing a good scum game*

[ODDin]

Oh well. If my vengeance still applies then I

kill para

.

[Paradoxombie]

I don't think there normally are vengeance kills after day 1.

But I'm not scum anyway. I'm guessing Khamisa must be it.

[zwetschenwasser]

HAHAHAHA!!! Screamed the master. You pathetic fools, playing like lunatics for a chance at freedom. Paradox, ODDin, how blind you both were to the true threat that undermined your plans and all your hopes. Even now, as Khamisa pretends to side with the Ashkaten at the last moment of your descent into the pit of venomous snakes you fail to realize your fatal mistake. Goodbye, Ashkaten, as Khamisa,

Khan Warlord

laughs at you inwardly and joins my ranks of evil minions...

Mafia, Khamisa and Empking Win! Congratulations. Please comment on how you liked this game and my modding.

[ODDin]

Wow. Khamisa, well done. Damn, we sucked.

Anyways, was fun.

zwet, I could appreciate more attention to the rules (the charter thing was very annoying). Joking about deadlines doesn't help. General "more activity please" doesn't help either. Set how much activity you want in the beginning of the game, and prod/replace people who aren't active enough.

[zwetschenwasser]

The charter thing actually confused me very much. I thought that Empking was lynched first... :-0

[charter]

Fucking horrible modding job. Inventing all these new rules midgame. Posting more often than players. Prodding after every 24 hours. Fucking ridiculous. Never going within a 100 foot radius of any game Zwet touches.

Town, poor job. Scum did marginally better. Para, I have no clue what on earth you were doing after Empking got lynching, but you did a wonderful job looking like you were Empking's partner. Should have just stopped playing entirely after this

I think Khamisa is the GF and Empking is the goon. Not sure enough to act on it yet though.

but instead I had to keep thinking cause I was told I wasn't dead and I convinced myself out of the OBVIOUS scumteam.

Still cannot fathom how Empking wasn't lynched day one.

ODDin, really have no clue what you were thinking during this game. Pretty much same to Para.

Good work scum. You fooled enough of the town, and I guess that's what counts.

[zwetschenwasser]

I prodded one person the entire game. I didn't invent any rules, I was simply confused. Try to get your facts straight before cursing me out, please.

[charter]

No quote pyramids. The deadlines you instilled. The mafia wins the game at deadline. All of these are bogus and should have been announced before starting because I sure wouldn't have joined a game where "mafia wins at deadline".

Your constant "more activity" and all your useless filler posts. Believe me, my facts are straight.

[ODDin]

charter:
D1 I was less inclined to suspect empking because of his meta. You have said yourself that he normally plays this way - making it all a scumtell. I still think you did a poor job D1. Your "test" of me was so obvious and shallow that I was practically sure it was buddying. You constantly shouted "lynch empking lynch empking". And eventually, you said my arguments were "full of logical fallacies" without actually saying what these logical fallacies were.
Then D2 I'm pretty sure Iw as clear on why I suspected para. If you're saying yourself he looked like empking's partner, then it should be obvious why I suspected him.