Mafia 93 - A Roccisi Summer - Over!

[Starbuck]

EDWOP:

*Threatening to leave the site just because you were voted for in a game? My vote is NOT moving on the sheer fact of your reaction and immaturity.

[SpyreX]

Ok, ok. After Alvin et Skitzer take the rope can we PLEASE lynch Starbuck? Please?

[Starbuck]

Being a member of the "Bad at Mafia" team, why should we take anything you say into consideration?

[SpyreX]

No reason yo' I mean I'm bad at mafia afterall rite.

Bad enough I'd make a group stating how bad I am.

[TDC]

+++ Another Russian hanged in Roccisi +++ Local authorities reluctant to stop raging mob +++ "They're damn good at it", said Commissioner +++

Final Vote Count of Day 2

alvinz95 (10): HowardRoark, roflcopter, SpyreX, darkdude, Axelrod, Mufasa, tubby216, Starbuck, ekiM, X

Starbuck (2): Seraphim, skitzer
Caboose (2): alvinz95, populartajo
Seraphim (1): Korts
Axelrod (1): charter

Not Voting (3): iamausername, Mixologist, Caboose

10 to lynch.

Lynch: alvinz95

alvinz95, Multitasker, Member of The Upper Roccisi Neighborhood, Member of The Russian Mafia:

• Active Abilities:
  • none
• Passive Abilities:
  • Multitasker
• Groups:
  • The Upper Roccisi Neighborhood:
    • classified
  • The Russian Mafia:
    • classified
• Victory Condition: classified

Status

Tomorrow will have

6

additional days.
It is now

Night 2

.
Deadline: Thursday, June 4th, 12:40 CEST (GMT+2).

[TDC]

The streets of Roccisi are littered with dead bodies. Four dead bodies, to be precise.

Kills: Mufasa, roflcopter, skitzer, Starbuck

Mufasa, Protective Jack-Of-All-Trades, Town

:

• Active Abilities:
  • Doctor:
    • 1-Shot
  • Jailkeeper:
    • 1-Shot
  • Roleblocker:
    • 1-Shot
• Passive Abilities:
  • none
• Groups:
  • none
• Victory Condition: You win when all anti-town forces are eliminated.

roflcopter, Mason, Member of The Roccisi Masonry, Town

:

• Active Abilities:
  • none
• Passive Abilities:
  • none
• Groups:
  • The Roccisi Masonry:
    • classified
• Victory Condition: You win when all anti-town forces are eliminated.

skitzer, Compulsive Miller Vigilante, Town

:

• Active Abilities:
  • Vigilante:
    • Compulsive
      
    • Night 0
• Passive Abilities:
  • Miller
• Groups:
  • none
• Victory Condition: You win when all anti-town forces are eliminated.

Starbuck, Vanilla Townie, Town

:

• Active Abilities:
  • none
• Passive Abilities:
  • none
• Groups:
  • none
• Victory Condition: You win when all anti-town forces are eliminated.

Status

It is now

Day 3

. With 14 alive and the 6 days from yesterday, this day will last 20 days.
Deadline: June 24th, 13:30 CEST (GMT+2)
8 to lynch.

[Korts]

Caboose, did you recieve any results?

[Korts]

Also, roflcopter was obviously a scum kill. I'm suspicious of Seraphim first and foremost for this.

[charter]

THANK YOU WHOEVER KILLED MUFASA. Now I can return to catching scumbags full time.

vote darkdude

for his last ditch attempt to save alvinz.
If Caboose has a better lynch candidate, I'm all ears.

Should rofl's mason buddy claim? I think he should.

[ekiM]

Night 0 kills

Dust (vanilla townie)

- skitzer (vig)

Night 1 kills

inHim (italian)

- probably skitzer, he was voting for inHim D1

ThAd (italian)

- Probably the russians then

???

- italian kill on someone doesn't go through.

Night 2 kills

rofl (mason)

- italians or russians. He was obvtown.

skitzer (vig)

- guilty result on him, so I can't see why either mafia would kill him, he would've been the lynch today if he were alive. Don't see any hints that he was a vig to make scum want to kill him. I'm guessing this was a 1-shot from a townie then?

Starbuck (vanilla)

- skitzer was voting for him, doubted mufasa was scum on day 2

Mufasa (stupid JoAT)

- russians or italians because he was looking townie now and had two protects left.

So it looks like we have 2 mafia groups and a dead vig. I don't think we have an SK, 4 killing groups would be way too many (especially considering only 2 kills night 1), too swingy. 8 mafia seems quite a lot for a game of 23 players, although maybe balanced by town PRs. If it's 6 mafia then there's only one of each left. Asymmetry possible, not sure.

Caboose, any new results? Guessing you were left untouched because Mufasa could've been protecting you.

Look at these people in isolation: tubby216, darkdude, howard_roark.

tubby216 - Has said literally nothing useful. Keeps apologizing for lurking but NOT FIXING IT. Day one all he did was distance a little from OGB and Howard and eventually vote OGB. Day two says "yeah i like the case on Sera and Starbuck, vote Starbuck". Hopped onto alvinz when result was given. 8 posts so far this game?? None of them with content???

darkdude - Has said literally nothing useful. Day 1: Defended OGB. Tried to say OGB and Mufasa's alignment must be the same. No vote all day (?!). Day 2: Apologizes for not trying, suggests we look at tubby. Calls people town. Votes alvinz after the info claim (first and only vote ALL GAME!) then tries to defend him at the end. 13 posts, mostly one liners. He defended both Russians, and he seems inept enough to do that as scum, so:

Vote: darkdude

.

Howard_Roark - Has said literally nothing useful. "Mufassa's claim is poor. I hope that reaction to it is useful to finding scum." --- weird thing to say. "vote Korts For his contrived case against Seraphim." --- what? Iso 2-4 is blablabla. Said literally nothing Day 2. 8 posts so far this game??

Seraphim! Still scummy! Why did you think claiming that you're in a neighborhood helps you out? What did you say to your neighbors last night? Did you reach an agreement on whether they would claim or not? What's going on, basically.

[Axelrod]

Should rofl's mason buddy claim? I think he should.

I think he should if he's the last one. If there was a 3-man Masonry, then it's probably unnecessary still.

Also, if there was anyone else in the Upper Roccisi Neighborhood I think he/she should claim it, as there's been a Russian and an Italian in that neighborhood already. It doesn't totally clear said person(s), but I think it looks pretty good.

Along the same lines, if it was a townie 1-shot vig that capped Skitzer, you might consider claiming it (if you are currently under suspicion).

Waiting for Caboose before voting. Of these living people:

02. tubby216
03. darkdude
05. ekiM
06. iamausername
09. populartajo
10. Seraphim
12. Korts
14. X
15. Mixologist
17. HowardRoark
19. charter
20. SpyreX
21. Caboose
22. Axelrod

I've got these as pretty solidly town (not including myself):

05. ekiM
06. iamausername
12. Korts
19. charter
20. SpyreX
21. Caboose

Leaving:

02. tubby216
03. darkdude
09. populartajo
10. Seraphim
14. X
15. Mixologist
17. HowardRoark


I think X and Mix probably look the next best out of that group. There should be at least 2 scum, and possibly more.

[tubby216]

have axel and charter both gone all retarded or what?? why would the last mason member claim?? there are far to many unknowns left out there, that being said mason members shut up and say nothing more.

ekim_ you have played with me before correct? i never have any content i am not good at content posts or posting cases what i do i do well and i just post what i am thinkin.

at the risk of looking like buddying i agree with your assement of darkdude

i will re-read charter and axel

[charter]

Ummm, because if there is just one more mason, they are confirmed town? Durrr.

[Korts]

Dust (vanilla townie) - skitzer (vig)

Why do you think this? I think this is a scumslip--scum would know Dust was a vigkill if, for instance, their group killing ability didn't have a Night 0 addendum.

at the risk of looking like buddying

What purpose is there in saying this? Pre-emptive defense against any accusations of buddying, because that is exactly your intent maybe?

[ekiM]

have axel and charter both gone all retarded or what?? why would the last mason member claim?? there are far to many unknowns left out there, that being said mason members shut up and say nothing more.

To confirm themself/ves town, and to avoid situations like: another mason dies tonight and tomorrow scum fakeclaims third mason, and we can't be sure that they're lying.

ekim_ you have played with me before correct? i never have any content i am not good at content posts or posting cases what i do i do well and i just post what i am thinkin.

Actually if you did post what you were thinking I'd be a lot happier. At the very least, tell us who you suspect

and why

. It's so anti-town and pointless to be an observer rather than a contributor. If you just want to watch games, don't join them.

at the risk of looking like buddying i agree with your assement of darkdude

i will re-read charter and axel

*facepalm*

Dust (vanilla townie) - skitzer (vig)

Why do you think this? I think this is a scumslip--scum would know Dust was a vigkill if, for instance, their group killing ability didn't have a Night 0 addendum.

Umm, if there is one death night zero and the vig's role PM looked like this:

skitzer, Compulsive Miller Vigilante, Town

:

• Active Abilities:
  • Vigilante:
    • Compulsive
      
      
    • Night 0

... then it's a pretty reasonable assumption that the night zero death was caused by the compulsive vig.

[Korts]

... then it's a pretty reasonable assumption that the night zero death was caused by the compulsive vig.

No, it's not reasonable to assume that the mafia don't have any Night 0 shots. Not reasonable at all.

[tubby216]

no i can see the mason claiming when its closer to lylo or in endgame but not now it seems early to me but i amay be retarded

[populartajo]

Rereading some alvinz stuff I came up with this interesting quote:

This town is full of fucking idiots who will follow anyone. Hell I bet someone will claim jester right now and everyone will believe him/her. If ANY town follows Axelrod's advice, then they are pretty much fucked as that you ALWAYS NEED TO TAKE THE BEST OPTION-THERE IS NEVER ROOM FOR ERROR. I clearly was not the best option available and the town blew it. NONE OF YOU EVEN ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS BEFORE YOUR HAMMER, THIS IS HOW FAIL THE WAGON IS.

HowardRoark, you just majorly screwed yourself over by saying that I was BUDDYING WITH YOU. Good job winning dammit.

I feel sorry for you real scum hunters that use actual evidence rather than sketchy role information. Good luck controlling your town. I'm going to say there's going to be AT LEAST 3 SCUM on my wagon. There was no good reason to start a wagon on me besides Caboose's random statement that I was scum. X, good luck winning the game with that kind of playing, hammering me without everybody reading what I said.

I'm leaving mafiascum for good anyway, so farewell everyone. I'm going out with a bang. Good luck you epic fail town (excluding the actual good players), you will never win if you continue to play like that. NOW GO BWN SOME SCUM.

Obv hard bussing with some WIFOM salsa.

HowarRock isnt also the most protown person on the game, a quick check of your posts will tell you that :

Vote : HowarRock.

We are still in a healthy position. Now, basically we wait for Caboose results (we know he is a cop but I am still pondering if we should call him confirmed town) and all the nighborhoods SHOULD claim in the following posts. The masonry SHOULDNT claim.

I need to read again knowing these all results. Wait for an updated analysis tonight.

[charter]

Tubby,

have axel and charter both gone all retarded or what?? why would the last mason member claim?? there are far to many unknowns left out there, that being said mason members shut up and say nothing more.

To confirm themself/ves town, and to avoid situations like: another mason dies tonight and tomorrow scum fakeclaims third mason, and we can't be sure that they're lying.

this is a really good reason for them to claim. If there is just one left, then the being mason part is useless, except to confirm them as town. I say if there is just one mason left, they need to claim, next post.

[populartajo]

Charter, I fail to see how having a confirmed town helps us today when its painfully obvious he will be nightkilled tonight.

Having a confirmed town when we are a reduced number is 100% more useful than today.

The mason(s) shouldnt claim.

[charter]

And getting a mason NK'ed and never claiming helps us even less and then leaves the door open for scum to claim third mason if there really isn't one and then we have a confirmed "town". YAY. And what is this about neighborhoods claiming, why should they do that?

[populartajo]

I see it this way.

Assuming 3 masons:

If we have bad luck and one of our masons dies today and if scum claim third mason he will obviously be counterclaimed and we have all the information both rolf and the other mason gave us before dying. It will be painfully obvious if he is telling the truth or not, knowing rolf.

Assuming 2 masons:

If we have bad luck and second mason dies today and if scum claims third mason we have all the information both rolf and the other mason gave us before dying. It will be less obvious if he is telling the truth or not, knowing rolf, but we would definitely have a way to catch him lying.


I really see little benefit with claiming today. However, if the mason(s) are intelligent enough to get to endgame or near it, then its basically gg for scum in a future massclaim scenario.

Also, about the neighbors, I think this is a pretty decent assumption:

Also, if there was anyone else in the Upper Roccisi Neighborhood I think he/she should claim it, as there's been a Russian and an Italian in that neighborhood already. It doesn't totally clear said person(s), but I think it looks pretty good.

[ekiM]

... then it's a pretty reasonable assumption that the night zero death was caused by the compulsive vig.

No, it's not reasonable to assume that the mafia don't have any Night 0 shots. Not reasonable at all.

We know skitzer took a shot night zero. It's way more likely that it went through and the mafia didn't have shots than that it didn't go through, and exactly one of the mafia groups got a kill through.

Tajo, I would take whatever a hammered scum said in twilight with a very large pinch of salt indeed.

I see that the Upper Roccisi neighborhood had scum from both mafias in it, so anyone in it is a known target to scum. So I guess they should claim so town has the same information as the mafia? I don't see why any other neighborhoods should claim. Very interested in what Seraphim and his claimed hood have been saying to one another!

I think if there is only one more mason with rofl, and they don't have a group or individual power, then they should claim. Confirmed townies are very good for the purposes of figuring things out, and I would like to cut off the potential for fake mason claiming later days by sorting it out now. If we leave the mason claiming for a critical point then it also makes it harder to trust the claim. Any fake claim today would be countered and net us a scumbag.

Claiming might make them an NK target, but there is a kind of prisoner's dilemma here, as each mafia won't want to target him if the other will. And we may have some sort of protective role. And if he is vanilla apart from masonhood, then it

may

be better for us if he's a NK target than potential town power roles, anyway.

[Korts]

We know skitzer took a shot night zero. It's way more likely that it went through and the mafia didn't have shots than that it didn't go through, and exactly one of the mafia groups got a kill through.

Bullshit. You can't calculate likeliness of either scenario, since you don't know the town's power roles. I have role-based information that at least one kill more was attempted N0 than went through.

Very interested in what Seraphim and his claimed hood have been saying to one another!

As I'm sure you would be as scum.

Re: masons: I don't want to give scum a chance to fakeclaim and snatch the win at endgame, so I'm with charter on the masons claiming. It's a good WIFOM trap for scum night kills, too. This is, of course, if there is no additional group ability for the masonry.

[ekiM]

We know skitzer took a shot night zero. It's way more likely that it went through and the mafia didn't have shots than that it didn't go through, and exactly one of the mafia groups got a kill through.

Bullshit. You can't calculate likeliness of either scenario, since you don't know the town's power roles. I have role-based information that at least one kill more was attempted N0 than went through.

And I don't have that information, so from my POV where we have a compulsive N0 vig and a single N0 kill, the most obvious explanation is that the vig committed the kill.

I'm not sure why you felt the need to partially claim, by the way.

Very interested in what Seraphim and his claimed hood have been saying to one another!

As I'm sure you would be as scum.

Right, because townies wouldn't want to know that. You're not interested in what one of your top suspects throughout the game has to say about his earlier hood claim?

Re: masons: I don't want to give scum a chance to fakeclaim and snatch the win at endgame, so I'm with charter on the masons claiming. It's a good WIFOM trap for scum night kills, too. This is, of course, if there is no additional group ability for the masonry.

Isn't this exactly what I just said?