Newbie 785 - Game Over

[Papa Zito]

Zito it has nothing to do with your enthusiasm in seeming to hunt scum - it has to do with being totally ambivelant to the possibility you might be wrong. The only people who do that is scum, because they know they are wrong.

vote:Zito

How do you justify a Gadget Falko scumpair when neither were remotely involved in lynching Shotty? Possible? Sure. Likely? Nope.

How do you justify putting someone at L-1 9 posts into the day, especially when there are two scum lurking about? Are you ambivalent to the possibility that I might be town and you might be contributing to putting the town in LYLO?

At least one of you three must be townie. The townie thing to do here is unvote before I get quickhammered and the town completely loses Day 2.

- Not allowing someone an opportunity to mount a defense is terrible play
- Trying to cut off the day early (especially THIS early) without letting the town gather information is scummy.

I was well aware I might be wrong, but Shotty was the best candidate in my mind so I pursued him. Going full-bore after Shotty only to get myself lynched today would be stupid. A one-for-one trade loses the game for scum.

Oh and Gadget-Falko reminded me of a couple sharks circling a wounded fish. Besides I'm not sure why you'd even ask me to justify it if you agree with it right afterwards.

[The Corporation]

For a start you are at L -2 by my maths so settle down. Making up that you are L-1 to get people to pull off is digging you a bigger scum hole for yourself.

But if you still think you are at L - 1 and are worried about a quick hammer start mounting a defense and laying out your case against Gadget or Falko or whoever.

As for one-for-one trades losing the game for scum, that wouldn't have been your plan - obviously subbing into the game. However, if you somehow manage to skate by us on your "mafia wouldn't be so stupid to attack Shotty so hard" defense today, we lynch town and you are scum. You have put the town in the position of going two from two to win the game. Given you have acted like a one man wrecking ball I don't like our chances of linking you to your parter - if you are indeed scum.

My thought, one or both of the subs is definitely scum. Working on a reread now.

[Papa Zito]

For a start you are at L -2 by my maths so settle down. Making up that you are L-1 to get people to pull off is digging you a bigger scum hole for yourself.

Day 2 has begun. With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is the end of Tuesday, June 23rd.

I have 3 votes.

But if you still think you are at L - 1 and are worried about a quick hammer start mounting a defense and laying out your case against Gadget or Falko or whoever.

Working on it. I couldn't finish until I saw the NK. and I have to monitor the thread for obvious reasons.

[The Corporation]

Sorry, my bad. I swear I saw 5 to lynch somewhere.

unvote.

[Papa Zito]

Okay.

Cyren

Day 1 Summary

: Had a solid pro-town read all day, and nothing bad sticks out on re-read.

Lynch context

: "Shotty over everyone else right now" when she's been after Gadget all day was a little odd. Shotty had her as his #3.

Nightkill context

: Listed Giskard as third of her trio of suspects, though I couldn't find why. Never pursued really. Giskard's only comment was that Cyren "had the town's best interests at heart".

falkomagno

Day 1 Summary

: Tunnelled qwints. Giskard woke him up. The Giskard-Falko thing yesterday struck me as two townies arguing.

Lynch context

: Never posted an opinion on Shotty. Ended on Gadget wagon. Shotty felt he was either newbie town or "very sneaky scum"

Nightkill context

: Falko's opinion on Giskard isn't clear. Giskard pushed him hard Day 1. NK could be a defensive move?

GadgetArcrep

Day 1 Summary

: 2nd on my list behind Shotty. Lurked until Cyren forced him out.

Lynch context

: One of few to say Shotty was town. Ended on my wagon. Shotty had him listed as his #2.

Nightkill context

: Had Giskard at a "low chance" of being scum. Giskard's only comment was neutral on Gadget.

PhilyEc

Day 1 Summary

: Small probes, lots of defending early on. Disappeared at times.

Lynch context

: Turned out to be the crucial Shotty vote, though it was done way earlier in the day. Liked the cases and didn't like Shotty's reaction to them. Shotty cleared Phily early.

Nightkill context

: Had a town read on Giskard. Giskard went after him early, but later unvoted (really confused on why during reread though).

qwints

Day 1 Summary

: Started well, got quiet, went after me but didn't press for some reason.

Lynch context

: Initially against Shotty but changed his mind after a re-read. Ended on my wagon. Shotty seemed to feel qwints was townish.

Nightkill context

: Only comment was to like the falko case, but had gut suspicions of Giskard. Giskard's posts on qwints were always in context of falko; he never gave an opinion on qwints himself unfortunately.

Corp

Day 1 Summary

: Lots of probes, posted initial Shotty case.

Lynch context

: First Shotty vote and never moved. Shotty had him listed as "solidly pro-town"

Nightkill context

: Had absolutely no comment on Giskard at all Day 1. Conversely, only Giskard comment was he liked Corp's initial Shotty case.


Conclusions:

- Nothing in the two flips invalidates Cyren's case on Gadget, so he moves from #2 to #1 on my list. I also note after doing all this that Gadget put himself in perfect position for today as scum: He listed both Shotty and Giskard as townies, and ended on my wagon so he could go after me today. "I told you so" etc.
- Giskard's NK was either a defensive move by scum falko or a frame job on town falko.

One other thing. Let's pretend for a moment that I am scum. Please remember that there are still two mafia at large, so the best thing for the town to do is spend today looking for the second scum and then string me up at the end of the day.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Official Vote Count

GadgetArcrep - 1 (Papa Zito)

Papa Zito - 2 (falkomagno, GadgetArcrep)

Not Voting - 4 (Cyren, PhilyEc, qwints, The Corporation)

4 to Lynch.

Deadline

is the end of Tuesday, June 23rd (Eastern, GMT - 4).

[PhilyEc]

Vote Zito

Grandstanding scum

[Papa Zito]

Vote Zito

Grandstanding scum

L-1, again.

Minimalist gameplay indeed.

[qwints]

vote: zito

Minimalism is beautiful. Easy case today = fast lynch.

[Papa Zito]

Just horrible. Go town.

# Once you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post except for a brief “Bah!”-type post.

[The Corporation]

I definitely didn't expect that when I went to bed! Dont stress falko I'm waiting. I wouldn't be surprised if Zito is scum and just playing with us in twilight.

[The Corporation]

For the morning...

For what it's worth Cyren's actions at the end of D1 were scum as. So take a good look at those and give a good grilling as to why she gave what turned out to be the hammer without a real good case posted. This will be strengthened further if Zito flips scum and she wasn't involved and everyone else was to some extent.

If Zito isn't scum, jeez I have no idea about a partner. qwints or PhilyEC? I really hope Zito is.

[Mastin]

Mastin, don't post in games if you aren't a participant.

[GadgetArcrep]

Have you guys noticed that he is quickfiring accusations every time someone voted for him?

I cant say much now, seeing as we are already in twilight day one...

my god that was fast... Sorry, its just... wow... that happened during the time I was in bed and at school...

And seriously, bothing short of a role reveal will shut zito up about me, anyways.

If he turns up scum, thank god, if not, which I sincerely hope will not happen, overconfidence got the better of him.

[PhilyEc]

Qwints did hammer but I was willing to mislynch at that point considering Zito rushed into a new case right into the day and even made a vote.

Gadget & Qwints are most likely now, I'd suggest lynching Gadget first.

[GadgetArcrep]

As its dependent on what happens tonight and tomorrow, I'm gonna hold off any moves, if he isnt scum, we gotta hope we vote right tomorrow during LYLO.

[The Corporation]

Qwints did hammer but I was willing to mislynch at that point considering Zito rushed into a new case right into the day and even made a vote.

Gadget & Qwints are most likely now, I'd suggest lynching Gadget first.

This strategy just wreaks of us making a list of the four scummiest players on D1 and lynching down the list. Sometimes this strategy will work, but if scum did a good job on D1 they are home free.

I'm really having second thoughts about Gadget being scum.

[GadgetArcrep]

I'm really having second thoughts about Gadget being scum.

I hope Zito's (should he come up scum) lynch reaffirms your thoughts.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Final Day 2 Vote Count

GadgetArcrep - 1 (Papa Zito)

Papa Zito - 4 (falkomagno, GadgetArcrep, PhilyEc, qwints)

Not Voting - 2 (Cyren, The Corporation)

4 to Lynch.

Deadline

is the end of Tuesday, June 23rd (Eastern, GMT - 4).

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

The Council makes a record decision in lynching Papa. Maybe next time you should, you know, talk some more?

Papa Zito,

Townie

, lynched Day 2

Night has begun. Those of you with night actions must submit your choices before Sunday, June 7th.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Cyren will no longer be joining you in your hunt for the Mafia, as the Mafai have taken exception to her ability to breathe.

Cyren,

Cop

, killed Night 2

Day 3 has begun. With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline is the end of Monday, June 29th.

[The Corporation]

Well that certainly makes things difficult especially given you guys lynched Zito without even giving Cyren a chance to intimate who she revealed N1! Jeez.

I'm going to do a reread and see what I can come up with.

[GadgetArcrep]

To be honest, I thought you were cop, Corp, I ws wrong.

*sigh* here's hoping we get things right this time.

Its a real shame that the people I thought were the most townlike are the ones who remain.

Welcome to LYLO.

[The Corporation]

I'm going to assume we are playing the third set up because seriously if we have a doctor why didn't they save Cyren. Such an obvious target for scum?!

If we have a doctor its probably worth claiming so the odds of knocking out a townsfolk are diminished.

[PhilyEc]

Well that fucks up my theory.

Gadget for scum? Who else though because theres got to be three..