Mini 792 - Tofu Mafia. Game over!

[Adel]

@514: Aaah... I see now.

Still, I don't think it makes sense. Why would a wagon start building up on Adel while Hero is under pressure, but not when I was under pressure? People finally had enough of it... all of a sudden? No, I think if Hero flips scum, Adel is town.

it wasn't even a major wagon on me! It was just referenced a lot of times! I never had the same number of votes as H, let alone more.

This is highly unusual in my experience..

I'm not sure what to make of it. I think that if H. flips scum then looking at players referenced my wagon multiple times without getting on board is a good idea.

I don't actually follow the bolded part. Why would

not

being on your wagon, if Herod flips scum, be a scumtell?

generally, scum like to push wagons on townies but not get on-board. There is less accountability that gay. About a year ago I noticed that scum use FoS's in disproportionate numbers, and I think the reason for that is FoS let them put nergative attention on town players (going for the lynch or the forced claim) without being held responsible for the result.

The best explanation for my wagon (assuming H. is scum) is that actual townies were onboard it, and the scum were trying to push it without being on it.

[Porkens]

The best explanation for my wagon (assuming H. is scum) is that actual townies were onboard it, and the scum were trying to push it without being on it.

Okay, I think I'm following, but how is that dependent on H's flip?

[Adel]

Well, you're right, he gains both ways, but the post in question still sets up that gain.

The question is would Artem-TOWN gain from the statement?

that is a good question.

@Atrem: what did you hope to gain by making that statement?

[Artem]

@Porkens:

505- The post is about things that give Adel scummy points (his lack of a concurrent chart) and things that (can/will) give Adel townie points (Herodotus flipping scum). I don't know if Hero will flip scum. If he does, I think Adel is town but then there's a lingering problem with the lack of the chart. If H. flips town, that doesn't automatically make Adel scum (since there were quite a few people attacking Hero, myself including).

511- is not a serious accusation because I'm not taking your accusation of me bussing Hero seriously.

Besides, what's this confused business? It seems that you're changing your story on the fly. How can you possible confuse "y'all" with "Artem"? "Adel" and "Artem" is understandable, but "y'all"???

[Adel]

The best explanation for my wagon (assuming H. is scum) is that actual townies were onboard it, and the scum were trying to push it without being on it.

Okay, I think I'm following, but how is that dependent on H's flip?

Well if Hero is town, I'm not sure why scum would be puching my wagon, unless it was so that they would not be on Hero's wagon when he flipped.... which would make sense for a (Porkens and/or SpryeX) + (people on my wagon) scumgroup.. I'm flipping back and forth between this and my chart so i'm not really thinking everything through... IU'm just having a regular orgy or typing right now.

[Ectomancer]

For Real FOS?

Considering ohh, Herod himself, Artem, Ecto, Elmo and you posted almost a whole page without noticing too the "for real" makes little sense.

YOU DON"T VOTE WITHOUT NOTING THE CURRENT VOTECOUNT!

Meh, I did. I thought it was around 4 votes, nowhere near the 7 needed. I only count when its getting close. Still, you think Herod would have noticed. Sometimes if you are scum and know you are going down, its better to say nothing if you are afraid it will give something away or you are wanting specific connection discussions to remain alive.

[Porkens]

I was just being sassy about 'you' and 'y'all', and I'm so used to arguing with you in this game that I screwed up. It wasn't a typing error, it was a thinking error. My bad.

[Artem]

@Atrem: what did you hope to gain by making that statement?

Same thing you're hoping to gain with your "we should look at X and Y". I'm explaining possible connections between players that can be looked back at.

[Ectomancer]

You do know that Adel was actually 2 separate wagons right? I cranked it up again myself with what ended up being a resultless ploy, and then I ended up on the Hero wagon.
I think it should be delineated because it wasn't a linear wagon. Does that make sense?

[SpyreX]

Shh, lets play a new game.

Its called if I had a bullet.

If I had a bullet and Hero flips town I'd shoot: Artem
If I had a bullet and Hero flips scum I'd shoot: Adel

Now its your turn!

[Artem]

If I had a bullet and Hero flips town I'd shoot: Porkens or Ecto
If I had a bullet and Hero flips scum I'd shoot: Korts

[Ectomancer]

If I had a bullet and Hero flips town I'd shoot: Adel
If I had a bullet and Hero flips scum I'd shoot: Adel

[Porkens]

Haha oh sure;

f I had a bullet and Hero flips town I'd shoot: Adel
If I had a bullet and Hero flips scum I'd shoot: Artem

subtle change

[SpyreX]

Now see this is a new and fun game.

@Porkens:

Why inverse from mine? How does the Hero - Adel connection work if Hero is town and Adel is scum?

@Ecto:

Adel is shot worthy regardless of Hero's alignment?

@Artem:

What is the Korts / Hero connection?

[Ectomancer]

Seriously though, if town, I would shoot either Elmo or Tajo, probably tajo for convenient lurking.
If scum, I dont know. Porkens "mistaken" bus wouldnt make sense. Spyrex might have joined late though.

[Adel]

If I had a bullet and Hero flips town I'd shoot: Adel
If I had a bullet and Hero flips scum I'd shoot: Adel

WTF!

Talk about a no-win!

H-Scum: Porkens
H-Town: SpryeX

[Ectomancer]

If I had a bullet and Hero flips town I'd shoot: Adel
If I had a bullet and Hero flips scum I'd shoot: Adel

WTF!

Talk about a no-win!

H-Scum: Porkens
H-Town: SpryeX

Charts must die OMGWTFBBQ!!

[Adel]

I didn't get done as much as I wanted to, but here is what I have right now.

[Porkens]

It doesn't, really. But I run on a dumber plane than most of you; Adel is on Hero's wagon and Artem isn't.

[SpyreX]

Adel why you gotta hate my name so much. GOD

If Porkens / Hero was a scumpair, why fake not knowing the hammer?

If he's town the rationale for me I get - wrong, but I get it.

[Adel]

second try:

[Artem]

What is the Korts / Hero connection?

There isn't one. That's the thing. Hero -> Korts = 4, Korts -> Hero = 14. They've been tiptoeing around each other all game. Hero didn't talk about Korts, while Korts mostly agreed with Hero on points against me back during me/Hero argument.

[Adel]

If Porkens / Hero was a scumpair, why fake not knowing the hammer?

the built-in WIFOM defense of "scum wouldn't accidentally hammer scum buddy" when in fact I think that a scum buddy of Hero's would conclude that a hammer was inevitable (by Artem?) and get in on the buss at the last moment.

[Adel]

It doesn't, really. But I run on a dumber plane than most of you; Adel is on Hero's wagon and Artem isn't.

in the South people call this "slow-talking" -- getting people to underestimate your intelligence so that you can take advantage of their misconception.

[SpyreX]

But by not even giving him a chance to fakeclaim if scum why put sooo much power pressure on yourself?

WIFOM'll only get you so far and that'd be a power no-lylo kinda move.

What Artem has to say IS interesting though.