The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Amished]

Then I'm W2B you being clearer. His only "theory" was the battle of the items. He argued heavily for use of the item, but not on theory, but because of the usefulness of general knowledge. That never was presented as a theory, and I always viewed it to be an argument rather than a theory about this game.

With you saying that it "hurt the town, but it was necessary to prove xtoxm right or wrong", you can't even say that it proved him right or wrong, he was right or wrong without the item, so you didn't need to, and shouldn't have brought it up in the same sentence at all.

[Xtoxm]

And Lamont, calling for a counter is

very

anti-town, this early. It just outs potential power roles, if Trilby is a main character, which it sounds like.

[Amished]

Trilby is the protagonist in 3? of the 4 games. So he's very much so a main pro-town character just out of the theme.

@Naomi: You're only NK-proof? That's all?

[Naomi_Saotome]

How surprising, the absolute easiest role to fakeclaim. And look--Lamont's calling to give away the real Trilby, or lynch me, either of which would be bad!

(Yes, there's a chance Naomi's claim is legit, but it's a very small one in my opinion. 19 players in the game, and the obvious fakeclaim for anyone who's done a bit of research just so happens to come up first)

You seem to forget that the chances of Trilby ACTUALLY being in this game are VERY high.

ARRRGH!

Do I? That's actually the crux of my argument. Players are believing her, she's hoping to get the real Trilby to come out, and you are actually encouraging that.

Lets see them step forward then...
Wouldn't scum want Trilby gone?

[Amished]

EBWOP: Main character in 2 games, I just don't like the last game, so I kinda forgot who was the protagonist there. The first two games he was the main character and the person that the player controlled.

[Xtoxm]

Her claim looks very genuine to me, tbh. If she's lying, from the sounds of it, she'll be caught, if this guy is the main protagnist.

[Naomi_Saotome]

Trilby is the protagonist in 3? of the 4 games. So he's very much so a main pro-town character just out of the theme.

@Naomi: You're only NK-proof? That's all?

Correct Amished

[Amished]

Hmm, it just feels off to me I guess. In the games, Trilby (while also being a master cat-burglar) basically uncovered the whole mythos behind Chzo, so I would've expected an investigation or something else (maybe the ability to take an item if she wanted) *shrug*. Though the NK-proof makes sense lorewise, as the main character obviously had to go through the game without dying (not counting savepoints) to figure it out.

[Naomi_Saotome]

So you're saying you expected a cop like role as well?

[Stephoscope]

A cat burglar named Trilby goes to a large mansion called DeFoe Manor, in hopes of an easy score of expensive loot, as the owners had died shortly beforehand. However, Trilby finds himself inexplicably sealed inside the house, along with four other people, who had come to the manor for various reasons of their own.

Soon, they begin to be murdered, one by one. Eventually, Trilby discovers who the killer is. The very first owner of the mansion, Sir Roderick DeFoe, and his son had been murdered one night, and the killer, DeFoe's deformed, regularly abused other son, whom Trilby speculates to be mentally disabled and gives the name "John" out of convenience, later dies of wounds inflicted by Sir Roderick. The ghost of John still haunts the mansion within an African tribal idol, possessing anyone who touches the idol and murdering anyone he comes into contact with, wearing the same blacksmith's apron and welding mask he did when he killed his father and brother.

Trilby and the other two survivors perform a magic ritual to rid the house of the John's ghost; they are able to force John's spirit into his remains and kill him. During the ritual, the house catches fire; Trilby and the other two escape before the house burns down. Trilby allows the other survivors to believe he died in the fire so as to avoid the inevitable police interest and assumes that John DeFoe is finally at rest.

This is the section of Wikipedia's Chzo article that deals with what happened in the Manor.

What is the ONLY safe role listed here for someone to fakeclaim...

...and what are the chances that the first of 19 players to be on the chopping block (for legitimate reasons, at that) would actually have this role?

Come on, guys.

[Amished]

Yes, or if that was deemed too powerful, another lesser power (maybe like a psychiatrist or something mafia-role-wise.) To only have the *main character* be "bullet-proof" in mafia terms seems ... well, stupid.

[Xtoxm]

Stop bringing maths into this. I have changed because her claim looks pro-town. And if she's lieing, it shouldn't be hard to find out later on. It looks like you're hanging on to this simply because you are the other option.

[Amished]

One of my only problems is that there's plenty of explanations for not dying at night (bulletproof SK or being mafia and not killing yourself both come to mind as "typical" mafia roles).

[Naomi_Saotome]

@amished bulletproof/1-shot cop

@steph Why wouldn't the mafia want Trilby out of the picture, day one?

Major FoS: Steph

[Nyx]

Even though I never found the case on Naomi strong this claim sounds fishy to me. It's a too perfect power role claim as scum, seeing scum will also "almost" never die in a night kill. With this claim she could avoid lynches and nightkill ( since nobody would waste a potential NK on a person who is "immune" ) and coast through the entire game without having to worry.

Even though it would fit lore wise as much as I know from the series. Which isn't awfully much.

At least this should prevent Naomi getting lynched and the bandwagon to stop. I still haven't heard anyone put a decent case on her thus far so it's a good thing I guess.

[Stephoscope]

Stop bringing maths into this. I have changed because her claim looks pro-town. And if she's lieing, it shouldn't be hard to find out later on. It looks like you're hanging on to this simply because you are the other option.

I trust the odds a lot more than I trust you or your gut.

[Stephoscope]

@amished bulletproof/1-shot cop

@steph Why wouldn't the mafia want Trilby out of the picture, day one?

Major FoS: Steph

Are you actually enhancing your claim now?

And I have no idea why you are asking me that question. Of course the mafia would want Trilby out of the picture. What does that have to do with me not believing a word you're saying?

[Naomi_Saotome]

Steph I was referring to your post in 1034

It would seem unreal for the mafia to want keep such a player in the game... the longer they keep said player around, the more dangerous it would be for them.

No, It went without saying before...

[Stephoscope]

Steph I was referring to your post in 1034

It would seem unreal for the mafia to want keep such a player in the game... the longer they keep said player around, the more dangerous it would be for them.

No, It went without saying before...

You're trying really hard to convince everyone that I said something I didn't.

[Naomi_Saotome]

No, simply correcting you where you're wrong...

Look at the original people who voted to lynch me... after I poked at Pyro...

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vote Count

Naomi_Saotome - 5 (populartajo, Sironigous, Pyromaniac, Sajin, Stephoscope)
Stephoscope - 5 (The Replacement, Shadow Knight, Setael, Lamont_Cranston, Xtoxm)
Lamont_Cranston - 2 (hohum, Pablo Molinero)
The Replacement - 1 (Nyx)
Pablo Molinero - 1 (Naomi_Saotome)

10 to lynch. Deadline in 26 hours and 23 minutes.

[Stephoscope]

If Naomi's posts in 1038, 1042, and 1044 make sense to anyone else, just let me know.

[Amished]

Naomi feels genuine to me now, but I question why you didn't say that you had a 1-shot cop earlier.

My hope that LC dies because of the shell is still there, and we still do need a lynch.

Vote: Stephoscope

[Naomi_Saotome]

As I said, I felt it went without saying. My apologies for miss posting because I felt that it went without saying

[Stephoscope]

Amished: "I would have thought you'd be a cop." Naomi: "Oh I'm a cop too, that went without saying."

I have no idea how you people are apparently falling for this, and I can assure you, it gets worse for the town if we keep going the way we are going. Seriously.