Mafia 93 - A Roccisi Summer - Over!

[populartajo]

I agree with the assumption that also makes Mufasa unlikely Russian and Italian. I asked how many mafia groups would be in this game. Since the answer is 2 (can i trust skitzer? yes I can) it makes Mufasa either third party or, more prob and by a wide margin, town.

So read the thread or GTFO YOU.

[SpyreX]

I would bet there is at least one scum in this group.

Yep, and its starbuck.

@Sera:

I just happened to not bold when I called BS on your defense to begin with. Claiming your neighborhood under the grounds of scum wont be in each neighborhood isn't worth the paper its written on.

[Korts]

I agree with the assumption that also makes Mufasa unlikely Russian and Italian. I asked how many mafia groups would be in this game. Since the answer is 2 (can i trust skitzer? yes I can) it makes Mufasa either third party or, more prob and by a wide margin, town.

So read the thread or GTFO YOU.

I saw that the first time around. I still don't like the initial phrasing of the lead in to the Mufasa wagon analysis.

[Starbuck]

Spyre, how can you be so strong in your convictions?

Are you even looking around at anyone else or are you too busy trying to save your own ass?

[SpyreX]

I'm strong in my convictions because I'm right.

As for saving my own ass... what? From who?

[Caboose]

Caboose, is there anyone else you see as suspicious other than alvinz.

Yes. skitzer

I generated a lot of misunderstanding yesterday. Let me rectify the situation.

I have role based information that skitzer is scum and yesterday, I had role based information that alvinz is scum.

May we please lynch one of those today and the other tomorrow?

[roflcopter]

so the scum are:

charter or korts
x
axelrod
seraphim
skitzer
and apparently alvinz

unvote, vote: alvinz

[SpyreX]

Ohh see thats a different business all together.

Unvote, Vote: Alvinz

[TDC]

Vote Count

Seraphim (3): Korts, Mufasa, X
Starbuck (3): Seraphim, skitzer, tubby216
alvinz95 (3): HowardRoark, roflcopter, SpyreX
Caboose (2): alvinz95, populartajo
Axelrod (1): charter

Not Voting (7): darkdude, ekiM, iamausername, Mixologist, Caboose, Axelrod, Starbuck

10 to lynch.

Prodding ekiM and Mixologist.

[darkdude]

Hm...

Vote: alvinz

[Axelrod]

All right. I can go with this for now.

Vote: Alvinz

I'd like to hear a claim from Alvinz before lynch.

I don't exactly trust Caboose yet, but I always like it when people put themselves out there, so let's rock.

[Mufasa]

I think we nailed him dead on.

unvote vote alvinz

[tubby216]

ok i am with it

unvote vote alvinz

[Starbuck]

Wow that added up quick after I went to bed. I really don't have a clear on Caboose yet, but it's the best thing we got.

Vote: Alvinz

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[ekiM]

OK, 2 mafia. And, by the looks, an extra killer. I'm assuming the extra hit on the Russians wasn't a 1-shot use, because it would make little sense to use one of those so early. So we probably have either a vig or an SK bouncing around. We also had a death night zero, which makes me think that the killer performed that kill, and is also likely compulsive.

I'm thinking two groups of three scum, possibly + a vig = 6 or 7 scum out of 23 people. More than that seems less plausible. Possibly the scum groups are a-symmetric though.

Caboose has put himself on the line to accuse alvinz and skitzer. OK, then.

Vote: alvinz95

(L-1)

Neighborhoods. If we're happy to follow Caboose for today and see what happens, little point in any neighbors claiming and making themselves NK targets (Upper Roccisi was known to the Italians, but possibly not the Russians). Seraphim's claim was kind of pointless as it doesn't confirm him in any way (also "Lower Roccisi" would be an easy guess for a fake neighbourhood claim...). I'm guessing the neigborhoods have abilities attached, so we don't want to lose them. I disagree with neighborhoods claiming, for today at least.

Godfather flip heavily implies investigative role(s). Surprise!

Mufasa - Looking a lot like town right now with those flips on his wagon, plus Korts' confirmation of being blocked. Still seems incapable of independent rational thought, though.

Seraphim's defense has been poor but not necessarily scummy, possibly fumbling town. The links with ThAd and inHim that rofl pointed out are interesting though. The neighborhood claim was bad. I'd still like to know why you gave a misleading explanation of why you jumped off of Mufasa's wagon, way back when, but I guess you've decided to never answer.

1. Did you look at the meta? I highly doubt it, otherwise you would see this as a legitimate observation. Or you think that everyone who is not suspicious of scum is scum...

I looked at the meta and I saw no games where he has been revealed as town. I also saw him posting more and content in another game. So, hmm.

I can actually see roflcopter being Russian Mafia, bussing hard through D1 to get town points. Your certainty in his guilt was crazy.

Pushing hard for the lynch of your own 1-short vig from the start of D1 would be stupid. And scum knew there were other mafia groups out there, so the townie points would be mitigated anyway. I don't see this as plausible, at all really.

Howard - Has contributed zilch so far this game. Went after alvinz for lack of content.

alvinz - Ditto. Votes Caboose for voting him. Hmm. Caboose declared him scum.

darkdude - needs to start playing

tubby - needs to start playing

[ekiM]

Caboose - any reason you didn't place a vote when you claim to have role based info?

[Korts]

Ok, I'm willing to hammer. Final words, etc?

There is a strong Howard/alvinz connection. alvinz' 414 post, other than being OMGUS, seems to damn Howard more than Caboose, but he votes Caboose and not Howard. Distancing probable.

In an alvinz-scum scenario people will have been bussing right after Caboose has claimed his results. Wagon analysis may not be much use, but I don't like Axel's (and Starbuck's, but he's a newb) distrust of Caboose--an unprovoked fakeclaim this early would be very stupid.

[Starbuck]

Definitely, not a noob. Can we quit with the insults? This is supposed to be fun.

[Korts]

Definitely, not a noob. Can we quit with the insults? This is supposed to be fun.

It's not supposed to be insulting. You're still new to the site, that's nothing to be ashamed of.

[Starbuck]

I'm not new to Mafia though. I may be new to the way you guys play, but I am not a new to the game. I'd appreciate the insults to stop.

[Korts]

I'm not new to Mafia though. I may be new to the way you guys play, but I am not a new to the game. I'd appreciate the insults to stop.

Face to face or on another forum? If the latter, I'd appreciate a link.

[Starbuck]

My Wiki.

[Korts]

Considering your history--1 finished game on MS with a quicklynch of you right after you replaced, and 4 ongoing; 3 games on askew; and sixty some on EM, a site where the emphasis is very strongly on the night game and barely any conventional scumhunting ever happens: I'm inclined to call you inexperienced. I don't intend to insult you, I'm just giving you some slack in being suspicious of Caboose for his claim.

[Korts]

Also, I see I referenced you earlier as a "he". Sorry about that.

[Starbuck]

Did you even look at my View Askew games, which are way more involved than any of the games I am currently playing here?