The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Nyx]

LOL ^^^ another brilliant argument.

No Pablo, it was through deductive reasoning that I came to the conclusion that Ho was town.

But that's the case against me fantastically brilliant arguments like that. 9.9

Pablo expresses the same sort of feeling I had the first time you said you knew Hohum was town. Yes he plays very pro-town but this could also be a good playing scum and besides that there weren't any indication that made him so obviously pro-town.

If you know someone is town before others see the same deductive reasoning for it they might think you know more then us. Which could conclude to scum. But after a while it became pretty clear Hohum was town hence I came to the same conclusion as you on him.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well, first of all the idea that somehow because I'm scum I'm going to come out and say "Hohum is def town" having gained this knowledge because I'm scum is so stupid its not even worth consideration.

However, because for some reason this crazy idea seems to have some traction (why I cannot fathom), my deductions stemmed from his elixir policy.

Scum

probably

would not advocate no-use AND scum would NOT drink.

Now before some genius shouts out "WIFOM!! LOL!!! YUK YUK!", don't forget that your own brain is WIFOM and leave me alone -- the percentages are in my favor here and it is thus I declared him village in advance of it being revealed.

If he would use the same deductive reasoning regarding my views then he wouldn't be able to advocate my lynch but because he is allowing emotion and ego to cloud his judgement, he is blinded.

[Devestation]

Funny Lamont, given that you wanted it to be used, although I shall have to check as to whether or not you wanted to drink it yourself.

[Lamont_Cranston]

No I, like you, did not want it to be used and for the same reasons.

However, Xtoxm's theory (also held by Tajo & AJ) took a higher precedence. Granted, there were some problems in implementing that theory due to potential abuse but it was ultimately best for the town to have it used ONLY on D1 and ONLY until a positive effect could be proven.

I am back lock step with you that further such items should NOT be used.

[hohum]

how is it an OMGUS when I started the argument? Wouldn't it be the other way around?

You're just throwing random acronyms at me now hoping I'll ho away.

[Stephoscope]

I got sucked into reading and finished my first read of the game.

For the record, the small paper box I picked up doesn't seem to be doing anything.

The Mod never posted the box having disappeared or any indication that you successfully picked it up. Did you get a PM that says you have the box in your possession? Also several times thoughout the game you mention withholding your vote until X happens. Why did you feel you needed to hold your vote?

I was really just kidding about the box. I didn't expect it to be a "real" item, just figured it was worth a try.

As for withholding my vote...we have plenty of time, why vote until we have all the information (i.e. what the drink did and who was affected by it)? Although I think eventually I gave in once Lamont wouldn't answer the question about the devil smiley.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm sure you think this is funny which is another annoying feature of your lazy playstyle -- you take pleasure in just throwing out lame arguments to watch people flail around while you put out no effort yourself; its so anti-town because crap arguments hurt the town (which is why they are seen as scummy).

And obviously your case against me is OMGUS because you have zero evidence against me other than I agreed with a logical position of yours and you het my playstyle. 9.9

I would expect higher quality play from you instead of this laziness; it really annoys me and it hurts the town but I don't expect you to listen because you're having too much fun not caring about the town anyway.

[Lamont_Cranston]

As for withholding my vote...we have plenty of time, why vote until we have all the information (i.e. what the drink did and who was affected by it)? Although I think eventually I gave in once Lamont wouldn't answer the question about the devil smiley.

Sorry but it was you who didn't answer.

[Stephoscope]

As for withholding my vote...we have plenty of time, why vote until we have all the information (i.e. what the drink did and who was affected by it)? Although I think eventually I gave in once Lamont wouldn't answer the question about the devil smiley.

Sorry but it was you who didn't answer.

I answered you a mere five minutes later.

[Lamont_Cranston]

As for withholding my vote...we have plenty of time, why vote until we have all the information (i.e. what the drink did and who was affected by it)? Although I think eventually I gave in once Lamont wouldn't answer the question about the devil smiley.

Sorry but it was you who didn't answer.

I answered you a mere five minutes later.

Steph until you give me a reason why I should do such a silly think you can put your vote wherever you want. That's a silly reason to vote anyone and I won't be held responsible for it.

Nope sorry you didn't.

[Nyx]

As for withholding my vote...we have plenty of time, why vote until we have all the information (i.e. what the drink did and who was affected by it)? Although I think eventually I gave in once Lamont wouldn't answer the question about the devil smiley.

We don't have plenty of time the deadline is in 4 real time days. Also voting puts pressure on people which could lead to scum slips or confirm somebody that he actually isn't scum with a good written defense/claim.

[Naomi_Saotome]

Oh dear, it looks like that shell's going to be bad news...
Lamont why did you pick up the shell?

[populartajo]

Someone more involved in the game can make me a summary of all that its going on? I dont feel like reading another 30 pages game.

Im really going to appreciate it.

If I have to do it, then expect comments from me on the weekend.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh dear, it looks like that shell's going to be bad news...
Lamont why did you pick up the shell?

I didn't even think. I saw it got totally excited and grabbed it. Of course NOW I realize wat a dumbsh*t thing it was to do.

[Naomi_Saotome]

Not thinking in this game is a very bad thing...

[Sajin]

That item is not necessarily bad. The mod stated he was town which helps. And the time effect is clearly stated and as such could be prevented by a PR perhaps. Scum will not want to kill the guy thats dying in 2 days. So we as get a confirmed alive alignment for a few days.

Lamont- I find your comments of what scum would do to in such and such circumstance scummy regardless of how they apply to your previous statements and claims. Your also trying to sow confusion and doubt in almost every argument.

[Stephoscope]

Nope sorry you didn't.

Yes I did. There is no pro-town reason for you not to promise to avoid the devil sign, as I can't imagine a pro-town role having to post the devil sign. So, your refusal to make that promise leads me to assume you are scum who has to use the sign as part of his role.

[The Replacement]

I was really just kidding about the box. I didn't expect it to be a "real" item, just figured it was worth a try.

Why did you think it was okay to lead people on that you had the box?

As for withholding my vote...we have plenty of time, why vote until we have all the information (i.e. what the drink did and who was affected by it)? Although I think eventually I gave in once Lamont wouldn't answer the question about the devil smiley.

Voting is one of the best ways to hold people accountable for their suspcions. If you aren't going to vote at all during the entire beginning of the day we can't be sure of your suspicions and it's a good way for a scum player to sit back and wait until there's a wagon vote that they like and put their vote there or make a vote based on the general opinions of the town, making you appear less accountable overall for your vote when you do put it somewhere and making it so other players can build a case so that you do need to.

Vote: Stephoscope

[The Replacement]

Ok I was going to remain silent about this but I just got another PM which confirmed my suspicions.

The initial PM said that the shell was slightly warm to the touch.

This latest PM says that the shell is now much warmer and there is a faint odor of something burning.

I think I made a big mistake in picking it up...

Why were you going to remain silent about it? Do you know anything else about the shell or has anything else happened since this post? Are you able to pass it to other players or use it in some way?

[Stephoscope]

I was really just kidding about the box. I didn't expect it to be a "real" item, just figured it was worth a try.

Why did you think it was okay to lead people on that you had the box?

I was trying to make a joke. I'm sorry if it failed miserably.

As for withholding my vote...we have plenty of time, why vote until we have all the information (i.e. what the drink did and who was affected by it)? Although I think eventually I gave in once Lamont wouldn't answer the question about the devil smiley.

Voting is one of the best ways to hold people accountable for their suspcions. If you aren't going to vote at all during the entire beginning of the day we can't be sure of your suspicions and it's a good way for a scum player to sit back and wait until there's a wagon vote that they like and put their vote there or make a vote based on the general opinions of the town, making you appear less accountable overall for your vote when you do put it somewhere and making it so other players can build a case so that you do need to.

Vote: Stephoscope

While you make some good points here about voting and why scum would be reluctant to do it, I have already placed my vote and explained exactly why...so don't accuse me of wanting to sit back and wait for a wagon, because that's not what I did.

I just wanted to make sure we figured out what was going on with the drink before we complicated things with voting...and I wanted to make sure our eventual lynch would be an informed one, with the knowledge of what (if anything) the drink had done.

[The Replacement]

While you make some good points here about voting and why scum would be reluctant to do it, I have already placed my vote and explained exactly why...so don't accuse me of wanting to sit back and wait for a wagon, because that's not what I did.

It's exactly what you did. There were already five votes on Lamont_Craston when yours finally came around to land on him and the reason you gave wasn't even your own reason, you took what someone else found and used that as the basis for your vote.

I just wanted to make sure we figured out what was going on with the drink before we complicated things with voting...and I wanted to make sure our eventual lynch would be an informed one, with the knowledge of what (if anything) the drink had done.

Voting and lynching are the primary functions of the town. Delaying that function is bad because it can lead to a rushed and less than optimal decisions as deadlines approach.

[zwetschenwasser]

Hohum, what's wrong with meta?

[Stephoscope]

While you make some good points here about voting and why scum would be reluctant to do it, I have already placed my vote and explained exactly why...so don't accuse me of wanting to sit back and wait for a wagon, because that's not what I did.

It's exactly what you did. There were already five votes on Lamont_Craston when yours finally came around to land on him and the reason you gave wasn't even your own reason, you took what someone else found and used that as the basis for your vote.

Whether or not it was "my own reason" doesn't affect whether it's the right vote. I'm more concerned with getting the right lynch then I am with looking all pro-town, and I made sure to credit Amished for the catch.

I just wanted to make sure we figured out what was going on with the drink before we complicated things with voting...and I wanted to make sure our eventual lynch would be an informed one, with the knowledge of what (if anything) the drink had done.

Voting and lynching are the primary functions of the town. Delaying that function is bad because it can lead to a rushed and less than optimal decisions as deadlines approach.

Well, whether or not you agreed with my thinking (and you do make some good points), you might try being suspicious of people who withheld their votes or were wishy-washy about them

without clearly explaining themselves every step of the way

like I did, but whatever.

[The Replacement]

Well, whether or not you agreed with my thinking (and you do make some good points), you might try being suspicious of people who withheld their votes or were wishy-washy about them

without clearly explaining themselves every step of the way

like I did, but whatever.

On the contrary, I find you more suspicious because of your explanations and reasons that you give. The fact that you stated on more than one occasion that it was your intention not to vote until something specific had passed is what I find scummy. Unless you thought it would be impossible to form suspicions until after, I see no reason why you would declare that you wouldn't be voting. No one else claimed that they wouldn't be voting like you did.

[Stephoscope]

Well, I've provided several reasons: I thought it would be best to concentrate on the drink issue and have everyone participate before muddying the waters with votes flying around, and I did not want a lynch to put an end to the day without knowing what was going on with the drink. Also, if I were trying to get away with something, I would not have announced it and then have suspicions such as yours come up. Perhaps I should have handled things differently, but that doesn't mean I'm scummy.

Do you actually have any problem with my rationale for voting Lamont? At first I thought there was probably nothing to the devil sign thing, but Lamont's refusal to not use the sign doesn't make any sense to me. Rolefishing is normally bad, but somehow I don't think rolefishing regarding a devil sign is any problem...