Lynch All Lurkers Mafia! GAME OVER

[Stephoscope]

Vote: Kinetic

Last period your start-of-period fellow mason vote was MafiaSSK. What changed your mind?

Good memory. Again, Kinetic has just been trying way too hard (which I DO think is a scumtell, and DO think is different than being "too townie", as being townie is good but I have yet to be convinced that being an unconfirmed mason has any point)

Are you scum also?

[Stephoscope]

image coming up town reduces some of the suspicion I have on ortolan.

Stephoscope, Kinetic, MafiaSSK: Scumlists. Now.

You and Kinetic

[Xylthixlm]

image coming up town reduces some of the suspicion I have on ortolan.

Stephoscope, Kinetic, MafiaSSK: Scumlists. Now.

You and Kinetic

You think there's only two scum left?

If you were wrong on one of those, who's third?

[Xylthixlm]

Are you scum?

No, thanks for asking.

[Stephoscope]

image coming up town reduces some of the suspicion I have on ortolan.

Stephoscope, Kinetic, MafiaSSK: Scumlists. Now.

You and Kinetic

You think there's only two scum left?

If you were wrong on one of those, who's third?

I do not have answers for these right now.

[Xylthixlm]

10 zwetschenwasser (roflcopter, ortolan, antihero, elvis_knits, MafiaSSK, Stephoscope, Empking, populartajo, DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm)

2 populartajo (Zorblag, Xylthixlm)
1 DrippingGoofball (image)
1 elvis_knits (q21)
1 roflcopter (BrianMcQueso)
1 Stephoscope (zwetschenwasser)

2 Unvote (Malyss, wolfcrier)

18 alive; 10 to lynch.

5 populartajo (roflcopter, image, q21, elvis_knits, Stephoscope)
2 MafiaSSK (Zorblag, ortolan)
2 Malyss (Xtoxm, Xylthixlm)
1 DrippingGoofball(Empking)

7 Unvote (antihero, BrianMcQueso, DrippingGoofball, MafiaSSK, Malyss, populartajo, wolfcrier)

17 alive; 9 to lynch.

4 Malyss (Xtoxm, Xylthixlm, DrippingGoofball, image)
3 DrippingGoofball (Empking, Stephoscope, elvis_knits)
2 MafiaSSK (Zorblag, ortolan)
2 populartajo (roflcopter, q21)

6 Unvote (antihero, BrianMcQueso, MafiaSSK, Malyss, populartajo, wolfcrier)

17 alive; 9 to lynch.

9 Malyss (Xtoxm, Xylthixlm, DrippingGoofball, image, q21, BrianMcQueso, Empking, populartajo, roflcopter)
3 Antihero (Zorblag, ortolan, Malyss)
1 DrippingGoofball (Stephoscope)

3 Unvote (antihero, MafiaSSK, wolfcrier)

17 alive; 9 to lynch.

5 DrippingGoofball (elvis_knits, Stephoscope, Empking, roflcopter, Xylthixlm)
2 ortolan (populartajo, DrippingGoofball)
1 Antihero (image)
1 populartajo (ortolan)
1 Xtoxm (SpyreX)

5 Unvote (Antihero, BrianMcQueso, MafiaSSK, q21, Xtoxm)

15 alive; 8 to lynch.

8 Xtoxm (SpyreX, roflcopter, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits, Empking, Stephoscope, DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm)

1 Antihero (image)
1 ortolan (populartajo)
1 populartajo (ortolan)

4 Unvote (Antihero, BrianMcQueso, MafiaSSK, q21)

15 alive; 8 to lynch.

8 DrippingGoofball (Xylthixlm, roflcopter, ortolan, Empking, SpyreX, image, elvis_knits)
1 MafiaSSK (populartajo)
1 ortolan (q21, )
4 Unvote (Antihero, BrianMcQueso, MafiaSSK, Stephoscope)

14 alive; 8 to lynch.

5 Image: ortolan, elvis_knits, roflcopter, Stephoscope, Xylthixlm
1 roflcopter: image
1 Xylthixlm: populartajo


5 Not Voting: Empking, q21, Mastin, Nuwen, MafiaSSK,
12 alive; 7 to lynch.

4 MafiaSSK (Xylthixlm, ortolan, Empking, populartajo)
2 elvis_knits (image, Nuwen)
2 image (roflcopter, Stephoscope)
1 Nuwen (elvis_knits)

3 Unvote (MafiaSSK, Mastin, Kinetic)

12 alive; 7 to lynch.

4 image (Stephoscope, roflcopter, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits)
3 MafiaSSK (ortolan, Empking, populartajo)
2 elvis_knits (image, Nuwen)

3 Unvote (MafiaSSK, Mastin, Kinetic)

12 alive; 7 to lynch.

7 Mastin (Xylthixlm, populartajo, Nuwen, MafiaSSK, elvis_knits, Stephoscope, roflcopter)
2 elvis_knits (image, Mastin)
2 MafiaSSK (ortolan, Empking)

1 Unvote (Kinetic)

12 alive; 7 to lynch.

6 Nuwen (elvis_knits, roflcopter, Xylthixlm, Stephoscope, Empking, ortolan)

1 MafiaSSK (Nuwen)
1 roflcopter (image)
1 Xylthixlm (populartajo)

2 Unvote (Kinetic, MafiaSSK)

11 alive; 6 to lynch.

3 Empking (ortolan, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits)
1 MafiaSSK (Empking)
1 Xylthixlm (populartajo)

4 Unvote (image, Kinetic, MafiaSSK, Stephoscope)

9 alive; 5 to lynch.

5 image (Xylthixlm, ortolan, elvis_knits, MafiaSSK, Kinetic)
2 Xylthixlm (populartajo, image)
1 MafiaSSK (Empking)

1 Not Voting(Stephoscope)

9 alive; 5 to lynch.

[MafiaSSK]

Stephy is looking pretty scummy at the moment for his secretism of why he thinks who's scummy is scummy. Which is hypocritical but whatever.

[Xylthixlm]

10

zwetschenwasser

(

roflcopter

, ortolan,

antihero

, elvis_knits, MafiaSSK, Stephoscope, Empking, populartajo,

DrippingGoofball

,

Xtoxm

)
5 populartajo (

roflcopter

,

image

, q21, elvis_knits, Stephoscope)
9

Malyss

(

Xtoxm

, Xylthixlm,

DrippingGoofball

,

image

, q21,

BrianMcQueso

, Empking, populartajo,

roflcopter

)
5

DrippingGoofball

(elvis_knits, Stephoscope, Empking,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm)
8

Xtoxm

(

SpyreX

,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits, Empking, Stephoscope,

DrippingGoofball

, Xtoxm)
8

DrippingGoofball

(Xylthixlm,

roflcopter

, ortolan, Empking,

SpyreX

,

image

, elvis_knits)
5

image

: ortolan, elvis_knits,

roflcopter

, Stephoscope, Xylthixlm
4 MafiaSSK (Xylthixlm, ortolan, Empking, populartajo)
4

image

(Stephoscope,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits)
7

Mastin

(Xylthixlm, populartajo,

Nuwen

, MafiaSSK, elvis_knits, Stephoscope,

roflcopter

)
6

Nuwen

(elvis_knits,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm, Stephoscope, Empking, ortolan)
3 Empking (ortolan, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits)
5

image

(Xylthixlm, ortolan, elvis_knits, MafiaSSK, Kinetic)


populartajo: So, you like following Empking's vote?

[Xylthixlm]

10

zwetschenwasser

(

roflcopter

, ortolan,

antihero

, elvis_knits, MafiaSSK, Stephoscope, Empking, populartajo,

DrippingGoofball

,

Xtoxm

)
5 populartajo (

roflcopter

,

image

, q21, elvis_knits, Stephoscope)
9

Malyss

(

Xtoxm

, Xylthixlm,

DrippingGoofball

,

image

, q21,

BrianMcQueso

, Empking, populartajo,

roflcopter

)
5

DrippingGoofball

(elvis_knits, Stephoscope, Empking,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm)
8

Xtoxm

(

SpyreX

,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits, Empking, Stephoscope,

DrippingGoofball

,

Xtoxm

)
8

DrippingGoofball

(Xylthixlm,

roflcopter

, ortolan, Empking,

SpyreX

,

image

, elvis_knits)
5

image

: ortolan, elvis_knits,

roflcopter

, Stephoscope, Xylthixlm
4 MafiaSSK (Xylthixlm, ortolan, Empking, populartajo)
4

image

(Stephoscope,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits)
7

Mastin

(Xylthixlm, populartajo,

Nuwen

, MafiaSSK, elvis_knits, Stephoscope,

roflcopter

)
6

Nuwen

(elvis_knits,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm, Stephoscope, Empking, ortolan)
3 Empking (ortolan, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits)
5

image

(Xylthixlm, ortolan, elvis_knits, MafiaSSK, Kinetic)

Oops, fixed

[image]

Bah. Well, at least there weren't four scum...

Go town!

[Xylthixlm]

Someone explain this:

10

zwetschenwasser

(

roflcopter

, ortolan,

antihero

, elvis_knits, MafiaSSK, Stephoscope,

Empking, populartajo

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Xtoxm

)
5 populartajo (

roflcopter

,

image

, q21, elvis_knits, Stephoscope)
9

Malyss

(

Xtoxm

, Xylthixlm,

DrippingGoofball

,

image

, q21,

BrianMcQueso

,

Empking, populartajo

,

roflcopter

)
5

DrippingGoofball

(elvis_knits, Stephoscope, Empking,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm)
8

Xtoxm

(

SpyreX

,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits, Empking, Stephoscope,

DrippingGoofball

,

Xtoxm

)
8

DrippingGoofball

(Xylthixlm,

roflcopter

, ortolan, Empking,

SpyreX

,

image

, elvis_knits)
5

image

: ortolan, elvis_knits,

roflcopter

, Stephoscope, Xylthixlm
4 MafiaSSK (Xylthixlm, ortolan,

Empking, populartajo

)
4

image

(Stephoscope,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits)
7

Mastin

(Xylthixlm, populartajo,

Nuwen

, MafiaSSK, elvis_knits, Stephoscope,

roflcopter

)
6

Nuwen

(elvis_knits,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm, Stephoscope, Empking, ortolan)
3 Empking (ortolan, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits)
5

image

(Xylthixlm, ortolan, elvis_knits, MafiaSSK, Kinetic)

[Xylthixlm]

MafiaSSK and elvis_knits seem to like voting together too

[Xylthixlm]

And DrippingGoofball and Xtoxm, I guess I shouldn't read too much into this

[Empking]

Somebody explain this:

10 zwetschenwasser (roflcopter, ortolan, antihero, elvis_knits, MafiaSSK, Stephoscope, Empking, populartajo, DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm)
5 populartajo (roflcopter, image, q21, elvis_knits, Stephoscope)
9 Malyss (Xtoxm, Xylthixlm, DrippingGoofball, image, q21, BrianMcQueso, Empking, populartajo, roflcopter)
5 DrippingGoofball (elvis_knits, Stephoscope, Empking, roflcopter, Xylthixlm)
8 Xtoxm (SpyreX, roflcopter, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits, Empking, Stephoscope, DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm)
8 DrippingGoofball (Xylthixlm, roflcopter, ortolan, Empking, SpyreX, image, elvis_knits)
5 image: ortolan, elvis_knits, roflcopter, Stephoscope, Xylthixlm
4 MafiaSSK (

Xylthixlm, ortolan,

Empking, populartajo)
4 image (Stephoscope, roflcopter, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits)
7 Mastin (Xylthixlm, populartajo, Nuwen, MafiaSSK, elvis_knits, Stephoscope, roflcopter)
6 Nuwen (elvis_knits, roflcopter, Xylthixlm, Stephoscope, Empking, ortolan)
3 Empking (

ortolan, Xylthixlm

, elvis_knits)
5 image (

Xylthixlm, ortolan,

elvis_knits, MafiaSSK, Kinetic)

[Xylthixlm]

I can't rule out the mind meld theory

[elvis_knits]

God...

[elvis_knits]

Someone explain this:

10

zwetschenwasser

(

roflcopter

, ortolan,

antihero

, elvis_knits, MafiaSSK, Stephoscope,

Empking, populartajo

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Xtoxm

)
5 populartajo (

roflcopter

,

image

, q21, elvis_knits, Stephoscope)
9

Malyss

(

Xtoxm

, Xylthixlm,

DrippingGoofball

,

image

, q21,

BrianMcQueso

,

Empking, populartajo

,

roflcopter

)
5

DrippingGoofball

(elvis_knits, Stephoscope, Empking,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm)
8

Xtoxm

(

SpyreX

,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits, Empking, Stephoscope,

DrippingGoofball

,

Xtoxm

)
8

DrippingGoofball

(Xylthixlm,

roflcopter

, ortolan, Empking,

SpyreX

,

image

, elvis_knits)
5

image

: ortolan, elvis_knits,

roflcopter

, Stephoscope, Xylthixlm
4 MafiaSSK (Xylthixlm, ortolan,

Empking, populartajo

)
4

image

(Stephoscope,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits)
7

Mastin

(Xylthixlm, populartajo,

Nuwen

, MafiaSSK, elvis_knits, Stephoscope,

roflcopter

)
6

Nuwen

(elvis_knits,

roflcopter

, Xylthixlm, Stephoscope, Empking, ortolan)
3 Empking (ortolan, Xylthixlm, elvis_knits)
5

image

(Xylthixlm, ortolan, elvis_knits, MafiaSSK, Kinetic)

I think the most important lynch to look at is Malyss.

9

Malyss

(

Xtoxm

, Xylthixlm,

DrippingGoofball

,

image

, q21,

BrianMcQueso

,

Empking, populartajo

,

roflcopter

)

The Malyss lynch saved AH(Mastin) from going over 72 hours and then having to die.

There are only 4 people not dead from that lynch: Xyl, q21(kinetic), Empking, tajo.

One or more of those almost has to be scum.

[Xylthixlm]

As I see it the remaining plausible scumteams based on claims are:
Empking and populartajo
Empking, populartajo, and one of elvis_knits or ortolan
A mason and one of elvis_knits or ortolan
All three masons

[elvis_knits]

As I see it the remaining plausible scumteams based on claims are:
Empking and populartajo
Empking, populartajo, and

one of elvis_knits or ortolan

xyl

A mason and

one of elvis_knits or ortolan

xyl

All three masons

Fixed.

I think we can eliminate ortolan since he was voting AH during the time of the malyss lynch. Let me know if you disagree.

I know I can eliminate myself, but I think the rest of you can too since I called out Mastin's lurking and caught him.

Xyl, I don't have any reason to completely eliminate you. Not that I really think you're scum at this point, but I have no way to eliminate you.

[elvis_knits]

According to my calculations (and I am not good at them, so I hope htis is right), if we have three scum left, we are at lylo.

I'm thinking to lynch tajo. I've wanted to practically all game, and at this point, it's sort of go hard or go home.

The only thing holding me back is the fact that the masons suck so hard. (Not really steph, but the other two).

[elvis_knits]

It makes my skin crawl that I said this:

About the tracker thing. Massclaim is the way to go. So far we have 3 confirmed masons, 1 tracker and 1 roleblocker. I dont think Yos would be that mean to have a role distribution that would only include two roles that would only interact each other. But, in the worst scenario, would the fact that I could be the only targetting power role for town means that Im scum?

If you're the only power role after the massclaim, we lynch you.

And then empking claimed doc, thus "saving" tajo.

[ortolan]

yer I'd rather lynch tajo too

all three of the masons being scum doesn't make sense because why would they out their third member in order to put all their eggs in one basket?

thus even if a mason is scum, imo tajo/Empking are also plus there's my earlier logic for why tajo is preferential to lynch to Empking

[elvis_knits]

And you have faith that Xyl is good? Can you tell me why?

[Kinetic]

image coming up town reduces some of the suspicion I have on ortolan.

Stephoscope, Kinetic, MafiaSSK: Scumlists. Now.

I just gave you them. Seriously?

Either way, of all the masons I've hated the way Steph has behaved all game. He absolutely doesn't want to use the thread, but the only reasons I can think of for him to act the way he is are Scummy reasons.

I think one or both of SSK or Steph (yes, even though they are masons with me) could be scum. I'm not sure if SSK is playing the bus on image or if Steph is playing the "stay off the townie lynch" though. Image's flip will give me a little more insight.

I don't like the second part of this because he's setting up a situation where one of them looks like scum no matter what.

Also, didn't Steph offer to hammer? So I don't think he's trying to "stay off the townie lynch." I think kinetic's framing his actions to serve his own ends here.

So? That is how I feel about it. Steph has been acting too... something. Being overly careful but at the same time trying to act townie about it.

As for trying too hard. Bullshit. That is how I act in all games, regardless of alignment. In fact, Tar actually used the fact that I WASN'T acting like that in Mind Screw Gaiden to get suspicious of me being scum. HE WAS RIGHT.

I don't know why, but I tend to be much more active in games that I am town in, especially if I really like the game. This isn't to say I haven't been active as scum or lurked as town. I have, but its hardly a scumtell for me to be "trying to hard" as a scum. Normally, it is quite the opposite.

New lists:

Hate the image flip, but it means several things:

1: AT LEAST one of the power roles is lying and/or a traitor. Odds place that at least one of the Masons is scum.

2: Tracker makes no sense as a role unless there is something to track. If scum have a role blocker as well as the group kill, then obviously tracker could catch either. But without townie roles to mess up the tracker, it becomes a lot more powerful. So far only Empking has such a role. EVERY OTHER ROLE has been vanilla or mason.

3: Of the remaining vanilla, my gut is screaming at me that elvis is acting peculiar. However the ONLY way I can justify elvis being scum is if she is the last remaining scum or if there is only one scum buddy left, a scum team of 2 remaining. As such I can't vote for elvis unless and until there are fewer players left and still no scum have been found. Ort and Xyl seem to damn town for me to justify voting for either of them.

4: Of the masons, I still have suspicious of both SSK and Steph. Steph is higher than SSK on my scum list. I need to see if SSK leans toward manipulative as scum, but his straight lurker tendencies seem to be a vote against that. I need to read up on him as scum and see if any of the QTs were posted where he participated. Same for Steph.

5: Of Pop/Empking, I HATE the doc claim from Emp. If he had claimed vanilla I think I would have voted him over image. But I also feel there was so much suspicion from so many sources that I felt were strong that something should have been there. If I had to choose right now, I'd vote Pop.

---------------------

Last notes: I'm going to look over the vote counts a bit, did you post all of them in that post?

There is something we're missing and I want to see if I can find it.

[Xylthixlm]

Last notes: I'm going to look over the vote counts a bit, did you post all of them in that post?

No. (That should be obvious from the numbering.) The vote counts I included are the high point of each bandwagon.